Federal Way City Council Special Meeting July 17, 2018

Learning from the past

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Now that the SAMP Public Comment period is closed, we decided to post some ‘golden oldies’. This is a Federal Way City Council presentation on the SAMP from 2018. It is so similar to the 2024 process one might decide that the only thing to do is throw up our hands. We disagree. All we have ever said is this, “Don’t keep making the same mistakes over and over.”

The entire video is worth your time. But the link takes you to a public comment by one of the original members of StART, Chris Hall. He references a 1997 Mitigation Study that was “the path not taken.” During the Third Runway, most people were completely focused on stopping the Third Runway, and had no interest in ‘mitigation’. In 2018, Mr. Hall tried to bring the discussion back there. Even then, none of the city councils (including Federal Way) showed much interest in that approach either. Instead, Burien, Des Moines, Normandy Park and SeaTac entered into a Four City Interlocal Agreement, which, once again, focused on flight paths.

It is now almost 2025 and the SAMP is here. We hope that all our local governments are finally ready to listen to Mr. Hall.

BONUS: Note the video preview image. In 2000, before the Third Runway, the airport processed as many flights with two runways as today with three. But a large part of that meeting was spent talking about how the airport could not ‘possibly’ add more capacity. Even today, many people say the same thing. We really need to stop denying reality.

SAMP Draft EA Comment Period closed

Decision likely to come much earlier than expected! The Sustainable Airport Master Plan Draft EA comment period is now closed. We want to thank everybody who participated. We know the process was short and highly fraught. Nevertheless, we read some very good material. Thank you. The Port registered approximately 230 participants at their four Open

FAA Puget Sound Airspace Webinar

Almost everything you ever wanted to know about flight paths. Can you handle the truth?

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Overview

A two hour seminar hosted by the FAA which answers every common question area residents always. have. We’ve participated in several of these in other cities and although each is customized to describe the local airport and flight paths, the questions and answers are always the same. As are the community reactions.

The fifteen minute FAA explainer section is must-see. It provides excellent examples of flight paths, procedures and the FAA’s philosophy and limitations–at least as they see it.

Participants

  • Grady Stone, FAA Regional Administrator
  • Sean Hopkins FAA TRACON
  • Jeremy Beecher FAA
  • Sarah Cox, Ryan McMullan, Tom Fagerstrom Port of Seattle
  • Lynae Craig Alaska Airlines
  • Tony Vassiladis Delta Airlines

Sections

  • 0:00 Intro 11:05 Elevated snippet
  • 15:25 Explanation of Puget Sound air space, procedures, separation, flow, responsibilities (Airlines, Port of Seattle, FAA)
  • 31:30 Q&A (90 minutes covering all common questions, curfews, flight paths, CAWG, SAF)

Our take: Can you handle the truth?

The balance of the video is ninety minutes of common questions from area residents asked in advance. It was not interactive, but there would have been no point other than to allow community members a chance to vent their spleen. In fact, the Q&A was really seven or eight questions, re-asked, in slightly different ways, over and over. The same questions and the same answers year after year.

We have always felt strongly that there are two main challenges for airport communities:  Them. Us.

  • The fact is, the FAA is mandated by Congress to further commercial aviation. By Congress. Not some administrator. They are simply the cop on the beat, enforcing unfair laws from the absolute top. No flight caps. Or curfews. Or hindrances to the expansion of commercial aviation in any way. They aren’t lying or 1exaggerating.
  • The other fact is that there never has been anything like a ‘community interest’, There are only individual neighborhoods, each of which want the planes to go somewhere else. That accounts for the repetitious questions. Everyone wants to know why them. A large part of the problem has always been a NIMBY issue.

We just saved you eight years of research.

About two thirds of operations have always focused on the center and east runways; not the western (Third Runway). But you’d never know it because the vast majority of complaints come from people on the west side. The FAA’s response to people who feel that the Third Runway is over-used? Don’t worry. As operations increase, they will shift more of the load eastward. Feel better?

We can see this bias even in the airport’s late night procedure limit. Note that it focuses on the Third Runway, with no stats on the center and east runways. It was that way going back to the 1970’s, The 400,000 operations running on the two earlier runways never got anywhere near the advocacy, Why not?

The lack of consensus has led to many fine words, but no action. In public everyone agrees that ‘something must be done!’ And in private, they promote their self-interest, or impossible dreams like ‘second airport’. These only dilute any community power we actually could have.

We will always focus on the true shared interest. Public health. Strong local economies. A cleaner environment. Mitigation and compensation for everyone directly under the flight path. All the things money could always provide. These solutions are often deeply unsatisfying for people who only want the airplanes to go somewhere else.

We disagree with many things the Port of Seattle and the FAA say. But one thing we agree with both those agencies on is this: making the planes go somewhere else will take many years.

Does this mean we aren’t working to change flight paths? Absolutely not! No one is working harder. But at the same time, we are focusing hard on what can be done to help the greatest number of people now.


1We did hear a couple of very tiny errors of fact, such as the possibility of ‘curfew’. But the challenges in making that happen in the current political climate are so profound that anyone could be forgiven.

 

State Legislation 2025 (draft)

State legislative sessions are a flurry of hundreds of bills, all of which live or die within a 105 day window. We forget that State legislators are part-timers, often with days jobs, and many with only a single staffer. They will only ever read a handful of the bills they are being pitched. Our list of items always tries to follow four simple rules: understandable, cost-effective, impactful, and above all, short.

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SAMP Draft EA: Our running list of questions

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The Cost/Benefit Analysis

The 1994 DNL65 from the Third Runway overlaid on the 2024 SAMP Area of Potential Effect (APE) How can 30 years of growth yield no more noise, air quality or community mitigations?

Beyond the usual suspects in the SAMP Draft EA Comment Period During the Sustainable Airport Master Plan Draft EA Comment Period (SAMP) we know most people will focus on the noise and pollution. However, we also hope that readers, and especially cities, will focus on other areas which may prove just as useful in obtaining