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00:00:00.000 -- Welcome, committee members, staff, presenters, and all who are watching live from TVW to the Senate and Environment, Energy and Technology Committee meeting.
00:00:08.000 -- Happy Cut-Off Week, everyone.
00:00:12.000 -- So we are data-celebrate.
00:00:16.000 -- The committee is going to caucus first and then we'll enter executive session on a few bills and then we'll take the public hearing.
00:00:23.000 -- With that, the committee is entering executive session.
00:00:23.000 -- Staff, will you please brief the bills? Good morning.
00:00:29.000 -- Happy Friday.
00:00:29.000 -- Senate Bill 5423 was heard February 5th.
00:00:47.000 -- This bill establishes the Right to Repair Act.
00:00:50.000 -- Under this bill, beginning January 1st, 2026, original manufacturers of digital electronic products must make available to independent repair providers on fair and reasonable terms, certain parts, tools and documentation for the diagnosis, maintenance, and repair of digital electronic products.
00:01:09.000 -- The bill provides required disclosures for repair providers, several types of entities and goods are exempt from the requirements in the bill and enforcement of the Act is through the Consumer Protection Act.
00:01:20.000 -- You have a substitute labeled B offered by Senator Wellman.
00:01:24.000 -- The substitute specifies that repair providers are Washington businesses.
00:01:29.000 -- It qualifies the definition of part from our replacement component that was generally available to specify that parts are limited to those provided by the manufacturer to authorize repair providers.
00:01:40.000 -- It adds a part pairing exception for biometric components.
00:01:44.000 -- Specifies that manufacturers are not required to provide source code and provides that manufacturers are not responsible for independent repair providers.
00:01:53.000 -- Amendment labeled B1 offered by Senator Wellman.
00:01:57.000 -- The amendment specifies that the requirement to provide parts, tools and documentation and the restriction on parts pairing do not apply if the manufacturer provides an equivalent or better replacement product that no charge to the customer.
00:02:11.000 -- You also have an amendment labeled A offered by Senator Wellman.
00:02:15.000 -- This is the same amendment I just described as B1, except it is written to the underlying bill.
00:02:22.000 -- According to Senate Bill 5680, you heard this bill last Friday.
00:02:27.000 -- This bill requires an original equipment manufacturer for mobility devices to unfair and reasonable terms.
00:02:34.000 -- Make available to any independent repair provider or owner, the documentation, parts embedded software, firmware or tools that are intended for use with the equipment.
00:02:44.000 -- The bill specifies what an original manufacturer is not required to do under the act.
00:02:49.000 -- Enforcement is through the Consumer Protection Act and there are no amendments.
00:02:56.000 -- Next up is Senate Bill 5627 relating to safe excavation practices.
00:03:01.000 -- You heard this bill on February 14th as a reminder the bill modifies requirements and the damage prevention act requires a one number locator service to maintain a web based platform providing the same services as the toll free number.
00:03:12.000 -- And amendments civil and criminal penalties in the act.
00:03:15.000 -- There are two amendments.
00:03:16.000 -- First there is a proposed substitute labeled C offered by Senator Ramos, which removes proposed language throughout the bill relating to using a digital mapping software to electronically mark an excavation area or underground facility.
00:03:29.000 -- It strikes the section establishing the requirements for hazardous liquid and gas pipeline operators.
00:03:34.000 -- Some of those requirements included ensuring underground facilities installed after the bill's effective date are locatable.
00:03:40.000 -- And adding location information for unlocatable facilities to an operator maintain database.
00:03:46.000 -- It requires facility operators and locating personnel to use whiskers to make markings understandable for up to 45 calendar days.
00:03:54.000 -- It prohibits facility operators from charging the Washington State Department of Transportation fees for design locating.
00:04:00.000 -- And I'm told this should eliminate wash dots, fiscal impacts.
00:04:04.000 -- It provides that when directional boring will be implemented as a method of underground excavation, white lining must be supplemented by fizzle with physical locates, which include pot holding or day lighting to avoid blind boring.
00:04:19.000 -- It strikes language in a civil penalty section relating to certain violations being subject to a $5,000 penalty for each violation rather than for those occurring within a three year period.
00:04:29.000 -- And when an extirvator failing to give notice of a planned excavation damages and underground facility rather than requiring the damage or sorry rather than damaging a marked underground facility.
00:04:41.000 -- And it adds a labor organization representative to the day-gloss safety committee and it makes other changes to the intent and definition sections which are included in the amendments affect statement.
00:04:52.000 -- Next, there is an amendment to the proposed substitute labeled C1 offered by Senator Harris, which strikes proposed language authorizing a general contractor to provide notice on behalf of an excavator and associated requirements and determination of liability.
00:05:08.000 -- It specifies that for purposes of extending a facility operators marking deadline due to situations outside of the party's control and agreement and writing includes email.
00:05:18.000 -- It applies the maximum penalties for certain violations of the act as follows.
00:05:22.000 -- For an extirvator violating the act and causing damage to a pipeline facility, the maximum penalty is reduced to $10,000 from $25,000 for a pipeline operator failing to locate or mark its facilities where damage and where damage occurs based on this failure.
00:05:37.000 -- The maximum penalty is similarly reduced to $10,000 from $25,000.
00:05:42.000 -- For certain violations of the act not resulting to facility damage, the maximum penalty is increased to $10,000 from $5,000.
00:05:50.000 -- It provides that an extirvator who fails to give notice of a planned excavation or damages and underground facility is liable for specified costs and penalties rather than requiring the damage occur because of the failure to give notice.
00:06:02.000 -- And it specifies that the dig loss safety committee's resolution of a violation complaint may not be used as evidence to establish liability in any civil proceeding relating to the same or similar subject matter.
00:06:14.000 -- And there are no other amendments.
00:06:18.000 -- Next up is Senate bill 5445.
00:06:22.000 -- We did hear a proposed substitute on Tuesday, February 4.
00:06:25.000 -- The bill allows an electric utility to comply with renewable energy targets under the Energy Independence Act.
00:06:31.000 -- If the utility invests at least 2% of its total annual retail revenue requirement and local energy resilience projects, there is one proposed sub offered by Senator Mankie.
00:06:41.000 -- The sub that you heard is labeled D, the sub for executive action is labeled E.
00:06:47.000 -- And the proposed sub labeled E allows a qualifying electric utility to meet its renewable energy targets under the EIA by using in combination have eligible renewable resources and local energy resiliency projects rather than by investing at least 2% of its total annual retail revenue requirement.
00:07:09.000 -- It narrows the definition of local energy resilience project to meet any investments in the utility service territory that only includes a combination of accelerated conservation and demand response.
00:07:20.000 -- And it defines accelerated conservation as conservation included in the qualifying utility's most recent cost effective conservation potential under the EIA and an excess of the biennial acquisition target under the EIA.
00:07:33.000 -- And it provides a formula for measuring annual energy savings and that any accelerated conservation savings may not be in excess of conservation savings under the EIA.
00:07:44.000 -- And that's all there is on that bill.
00:07:47.000 -- Madam Chair, may I speak to my amendment? Yes, Senator Walnut.
00:07:53.000 -- Thank you very much.
00:07:54.000 -- I'd like to go back to Senate bill 5423 Digital Electronics Repair.
00:08:00.000 -- And we've had quite a bit of contention and discussion about this bill.
00:08:04.000 -- Five states have right to repair laws.
00:08:07.000 -- New York, Minnesota, California, Oregon and Colorado.
00:08:11.000 -- And Apple has been a leader in security and complies with four of them already.
00:08:18.000 -- But the Oregon model we feel is confusing and not the model for Washington state.
00:08:25.000 -- We feel Colorado has struck the right balance between repair, access and consumer protection in technical aspects and you already heard that Google in committee testimony was that they are part of the Colorado bill, which is what is in my, my proposed substitute.
00:08:45.000 -- My amendment mirrors Colorado's approach in sharing security while maintaining consumer choice.
00:08:53.000 -- And I'm especially proud of the relationship that Apple has had in regard to the market and security.
00:09:02.000 -- As we know, they have gone up against the federal government when demands were made for information as far as Apple was concerned.
00:09:11.000 -- And there's never been a time in history when our personal information on our phones is more vulnerable to cyber security issues.
00:09:19.000 -- And this is not just your personal banking information on your phone, but reproductive reproductive health data on phones, pregnancy trackers, ovulation trackers, and information that can be used against women and has been used against women, you know, in other states.
00:09:35.000 -- But also looked into the repair ability update that came from I fix it, which I think has been pressing for right to repair.
00:09:46.000 -- And actually, this 16 series is shaping up to be, quote, the most repairable iPhones we've ever seen.
00:09:55.000 -- And the experience with the repair assistant was seamless while repairing iPhone hardware, sometimes this complex on the software side Apple has arguably raised the bar for the entire industry.
00:10:07.000 -- I think that providing security as Apple has done is critical.
00:10:13.000 -- Their biometrics are an important and should be a secure accessibility feature for those who are blind, the idea that you can have your facial recognition or your touch recognition get you to your data into your device.
00:10:32.000 -- I think is really a critical, but while at the same time protecting that data.
00:10:38.000 -- So I am asking for, I am asking to remove the first amendment that is there to not bring it forward and to take the second amendment.
00:10:53.000 -- And the amendment to that, which is the Amazon amendment, which I also feel as to the benefit of the bill.
00:11:02.000 -- Thank you, Miss Madam Chair.
00:11:08.000 -- Well, with that, thank you.
00:11:10.000 -- We will break for caucus.
00:11:14.000 -- Sounds good.
00:11:15.000 -- Where are we going to.
00:11:22.000 -- Welcome back.
00:11:22.000 -- We will move into executive session.
00:11:30.000 -- We have Senate bill 5423 before us.
00:11:30.000 -- There is a proposed substitute labeled be offered by Senator Wellman, Senator.
00:11:39.000 -- Madam Chair, I move adoption of amendment label B1 to the proposed substitute.
00:11:44.000 -- I move adoption of amendment B offered by Senator Wellman.
00:11:50.000 -- Is there a discussion? Briefly, I'm asking essentially for the Colorado bill, which was agreed upon by many companies, many major companies, including Google and Apple.
00:12:02.000 -- And I think it is a way to move forward that allows the right to repair to do their work while still maintaining brand identity, which I think is really important when we're dealing with large companies.
00:12:17.000 -- I like to believe that Republicans and Democrats can come together and support business.
00:12:22.000 -- And I think that this is the way to support business.
00:12:22.000 -- Thank you.
00:12:26.000 -- Yeah, and I would add coming from the Republican side, we agree there's a path forward that I think has worked out really in the details of what cyber security is still a key priority within this and still allowing the individuals to write to go and see the parts that they can repair in the electronics that are out there.
00:12:44.000 -- It's a good path for that we see that we can support an urgent ES vote.
00:12:49.000 -- I am going to ask for a no vote on this.
00:12:49.000 -- I do hear my colleagues and their concerns, but I think we need to have a strong consumer protection in this bill today.
00:13:00.000 -- So all in favor of the proposed sub, please say aye.
00:13:04.000 -- Aye.
00:13:05.000 -- Opposed, nay.
00:13:06.000 -- Nay.
00:13:07.000 -- The proposed substitute has failed.
00:13:12.000 -- Okay, what do I do now? All members who are in favor, please rate of adopting the proposed substitute, please raise your hand.
00:13:27.000 -- All members who are opposed to adopting the proposed substitute, please raise your hand.
00:13:35.000 -- Madam Chair, there are six opposed, five in favor.
00:13:35.000 -- Thank you.
00:13:40.000 -- I move that.
00:13:42.000 -- I move that.
00:13:44.000 -- I move the proposed substitute receive a do.
00:13:49.000 -- Sorry, I move that if the 5423.
00:13:52.000 -- I move that.
00:13:53.000 -- Senate bill 5423 receive a due pass recommendation be sent to the rules committee.
00:13:57.000 -- Is there any discussion? I'll go ahead.
00:14:01.000 -- Senator McEwen.
00:14:03.000 -- Madam Chair, just extraordinarily frustrated because this issue has been around for a number of years.
00:14:11.000 -- And I think at the end of the day, I'll just agree that we can find a path to get this done and we had a path with bipartisan support to finally move forward.
00:14:19.000 -- And once again, though we're going to revert back to something that's not palatable to both industry and consumers and to both sides of the aisle.
00:14:29.000 -- And I'm frustrated by that process that we can once again just get to a spot where there has been broad support.
00:14:36.000 -- This has been hard, hard work.
00:14:38.000 -- And now we're just going to toss that aside and I find that frustrating.
00:14:41.000 -- So with that, I will be a no.
00:14:43.000 -- Thank you, Senator McEwen.
00:14:43.000 -- I asked for a yes vote on this.
00:14:43.000 -- I think it's a good bill.
00:14:48.000 -- Some good consumer protection.
00:14:50.000 -- So all in favor say aye.
00:14:52.000 -- Aye.
00:14:53.000 -- Opposed, nay.
00:14:55.000 -- The bill has passed subject to signatures.
00:14:59.000 -- We now move to Senate Bill 56, we have Senate Bill 5680 before us.
00:15:05.000 -- Madam Chair, I move that bill receive a due pass recommendation be sent to the rules committee.
00:15:09.000 -- Is there any discussion? Good bill vote.
00:15:16.000 -- Yes.
00:15:16.000 -- All in favor say aye.
00:15:19.000 -- I oppose nay.
00:15:21.000 -- The bill has passed subject to signatures.
00:15:26.000 -- We have Senate Bill 5627 before us.
00:15:29.000 -- There is a proposed substitute labeled C offered by Senator Ramos.
00:15:33.000 -- And there is an amendment labeled C dot one offered by Senator Harris.
00:15:39.000 -- Madam Chair, move adoption of amendment labeled C dot one to the proposed substitute.
00:15:43.000 -- Is there any discussion? Thank you, Chair.
00:15:51.000 -- Yes.
00:15:52.000 -- Take a look at this amendment quickly.
00:15:54.000 -- There's some things that I like in it, but there's a couple have questions on how they will actually work.
00:15:59.000 -- So I'd really like to work with the sponsor of this, if this rule is for the floor and we can add some of this in here at that time.
00:16:08.000 -- But at this point I would say a no vote.
00:16:11.000 -- All in favor say aye.
00:16:13.000 -- Opposed nay.
00:16:15.000 -- The amendment to the proposed substitute has failed.
00:16:20.000 -- And move that the proposed substitute received a do pass recommendation be sent to the ways and means committee.
00:16:27.000 -- Is there any discussion? Good bill vote.
00:16:30.000 -- Yes.
00:16:30.000 -- All in favor say aye.
00:16:32.000 -- Aye.
00:16:33.000 -- Opposed nay.
00:16:35.000 -- The bill has passed subject to signatures.
00:16:39.000 -- Oh, wow.
00:16:40.000 -- We have Senate bill 5445 before us.
00:16:44.000 -- There's a proposed substitute labeled E offered by Senator Bankey.
00:16:47.000 -- Madam Chair, move adoption of the proposed substitute.
00:16:50.000 -- Is there any discussion? Senator Bankey.
00:16:52.000 -- Thank you, Madam Chair.
00:16:53.000 -- Real quick.
00:16:54.000 -- This is an amendment that reflects really ongoing dialogue.
00:16:56.000 -- One to thank Department of Ecology.
00:16:58.000 -- Getting together with some of our members from Glen Blackman, Enwak and as well as our Wapuda members.
00:17:04.000 -- Really taking the time in the last couple days, doing the due diligence to have the conversation moving forward.
00:17:09.000 -- We know this is a compromise in the compliance pathways and we know it is still a lot of work to be done.
00:17:15.000 -- But I'm urging a yes vote.
00:17:17.000 -- Thank you very much.
00:17:19.000 -- I agree with that.
00:17:20.000 -- There's still some work to be done, but I'm asking for a yes vote today.
00:17:23.000 -- All in favor say aye.
00:17:25.000 -- Opposed nay.
00:17:27.000 -- The proposed substitute is adopted.
00:17:31.000 -- Madam Chair.
00:17:33.000 -- I move that the proposed substitute received a due pass recommendation be sent to the rules committee.
00:17:38.000 -- Is there any discussion? Good bill vote yes.
00:17:41.000 -- All in favor say aye.
00:17:43.000 -- I oppose nay.
00:17:45.000 -- The bill has passed subject to signatures.
00:17:50.000 -- Oh, you started this one.
00:17:53.000 -- Madam Chair, I move that.
00:17:55.000 -- Kurt Beckett, gubernatorial appointment.
00:17:57.000 -- Goober and tutorial appointment number 9214 be reported with the recommendation that the appointment be confirmed.
00:18:03.000 -- There's been a motion and a second.
00:18:05.000 -- Is there any discussion? Good person vote.
00:18:09.000 -- Good pointy vote yes.
00:18:11.000 -- I don't want to make a judgment.
00:18:14.000 -- All in favor vote say aye.
00:18:16.000 -- I.
00:18:17.000 -- I.
00:18:18.000 -- Alipose nay.
00:18:19.000 -- Kurt Beckett, gubernatorial appointment number 9214 has received a confirmation recommendation subject to signatures.
00:18:26.000 -- Madam Chair.
00:18:27.000 -- Madam Chair.
00:18:28.000 -- I move that Kc6, Colored gubernatorial appointment number 9224 be reported with a recommendation that the appointment be confirmed.
00:18:36.000 -- There's been a motion and a second.
00:18:37.000 -- Is there any discussion? All in favor say aye.
00:18:41.000 -- I.
00:18:42.000 -- Alipose nay.
00:18:44.000 -- Kc6, Gilder gubernatorial appointment number 9224 has received a confirmation subject to signatures.
00:18:51.000 -- That ends our executive session and we will move to the public hearing.
00:18:58.000 -- But we have many testifiers signed up for today's bills.
00:19:01.000 -- So we are going to use a one minute timer.
00:19:04.000 -- Staff, wait me please have a briefing on 5380.
00:19:09.000 -- I'm going to give you a second.
00:19:13.000 -- I'm going to give you a second.
00:19:18.000 -- I'm going to give you a second.
00:19:22.000 -- Okay.
00:19:23.000 -- So I'm going to make a reference to the committee.
00:19:28.000 -- I'll be checking the questions.
00:19:29.000 -- The.
00:19:30.000 -- Before you is Senate Bill 5380 for some very quick background under current law, and I'll protection act provides a way to identify possible environmental impacts that may result from governmental decisions.
00:19:44.000 -- Ecology is responsible for CPA rules.
00:19:47.000 -- The bill before you amend CPA to integrate environmental justice considerations in a certain project decisions with the intent to reduce disparities in cumulative environmental and health impacts.
00:19:58.000 -- Environmental justice under this bill uses the same definition as provided in the HEAL Act.
00:20:03.000 -- Under this bill, a new section is added to CPA that requires ecology to add environmental justice to the CPA elements of the environment as well as questions to the CPA checklist.
00:20:16.000 -- Through CPA lead agencies would be required to create an environmental justice impact statement referred to as an EJIS of potentially impactful projects and pollution burden communities.
00:20:28.000 -- And potentially impactful projects are both defined in the bill.
00:20:32.000 -- The EJIS must be completed before or at the same time as a CPA threshold determination.
00:20:38.000 -- The EJIS must be transmitted to OFM and publicly posted in advance of a public hearing.
00:20:45.000 -- Finally, ecology or a local clean air agency are prohibited from issuing a notice of construction under the state clean air act for certain air contaminant sources located in a census track track ranked as nine or 10 for environmental exposures.
00:21:00.000 -- A fiscal note is available and I'm happy to answer any questions.
00:21:05.000 -- I don't see any questions so thank you very much and Senator Lovelet tell us about your bill.
00:21:10.000 -- Thank you so much Madam Chair for the record members of the committee, Senator Liz Lovelet representing the 40th legislative district and very pleased to be bringing this policy before our committee today.
00:21:20.000 -- So, you know, the challenge with an EIS for a seeper review is that it really looks at an isolated project without really considering the cumulative burden that comes from the emissions of many of the projects that are manufacturing and industrial spaces.
00:21:37.000 -- So it's one thing to say, well, yes, the emissions of this one particular facility may meet our emission standards, but when you have that next to a freeway and another factory and an airport and all of these other cumulative factors, you make it so that people are we are just having negative impacts on health outcomes for these communities that are already really overburdened in their air pollution.
00:22:00.000 -- And the state has done tremendous work on really mapping where these kind of hot spots are around the state where people are having lower life expectancies higher asthma rates, higher heart attack and stroke rates.
00:22:12.000 -- And so when we take that information and then we say, yeah, but it's okay, go ahead and add one more project on top of it.
00:22:18.000 -- We are really just saying it's appropriate for us to continue failed policies of putting our lowest income people in the in harm's way when it comes to having to bear pollution.
00:22:29.000 -- This is really meaningful to our frontline communities and really urge the body to really think deeply about where we should be placing these kinds of emissions heavy facilities so that we can in fact start turning the tide on health outcomes for vulnerable communities and urges keep an open mind for this consideration.
00:22:52.000 -- I don't see any questions so madam vice chair will you begin the public testimony.
00:22:56.000 -- Thank you madam chair.
00:22:56.000 -- I'd like to call on John Worthington, Jean Hill, Jamie Strobel.
00:23:21.000 -- John, can you hear me, John Worthington, if you can hear me please unmute.
00:23:30.000 -- Looks like John is not here so Jamie Strobel, can you hear me? Yes, can you hear me? Yes, you can hear you.
00:23:39.000 -- And see you go ahead.
00:23:41.000 -- Thank you chair, she may come members of the committee.
00:23:41.000 -- My name is Jamie Strobel and I'm the director of climate action and resilience with the nature conservancy and Washington here in support of Senate bill 5380.
00:23:50.000 -- For decades we have seen polluting facilities go up near communities of color indigenous communities and low income neighborhoods resulting in that disproportionate negative cumulative impacts to health and well being.
00:24:03.000 -- The challenges that our regulatory system often looks at these issues of pollution in our air soil and waters in isolation.
00:24:10.000 -- And with the sila siloed approach we are missing how these pollutants layer on top of each other over time to create poor health outcomes and lower life expectancies.
00:24:19.000 -- By conducting a cumulative impact analysis on a site by site basis this legislation gives us tools to address a long standing gap in our ability to protect communities and support healthy environments and families.
00:24:31.000 -- These assessments are limited to polluting activities within communities that are clearly already over overburdened by pollution.
00:24:37.000 -- Thank you Senator Lovelet, Representative Mena and friend centered for your leadership on this legislation and I think this fills a critical gap for Washington state.
00:24:45.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:24:47.000 -- Gene Hill if you're on please go ahead.
00:24:51.000 -- Thank you so much and thank you committee for letting me speak on this bill.
00:24:55.000 -- Gene well chill with the Washington state.
00:24:57.000 -- That conference in support of 5380 the effects of climate change are born by the most vulnerable society, both here in the US and throughout the world.
00:25:05.000 -- Environmental justice is a priority to protect the dignity of every life.
00:25:08.000 -- We welcome the framework proposed by SB5380 which would take into account the cumulative environmental public health stressors experienced by overburdened populations.
00:25:17.000 -- We know that certain populations disproportionately bear the effects of pollution.
00:25:21.000 -- This bill is an opportunity to address this injustice and calls for deeper analysis of who is impacted and who is repeatedly impacted.
00:25:28.000 -- We also support the opportunity for members of the community to be given a voice when new projects are seeking permits or renewals.
00:25:34.000 -- Thank you for your work to care for our common home and we ask you to pass 5380 out of the committee.
00:25:40.000 -- Thank you.
00:25:42.000 -- Thank you so much everyone for your great and time sensitive testimony.
00:25:47.000 -- I'd like to call up Drew Zabrowski and Jessica Rowe.
00:25:59.000 -- Drew Zabrowski can you hear me? Yes, I'm here.
00:26:05.000 -- I just got the prompt to join as a panelist.
00:26:07.000 -- Excellent.
00:26:07.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:26:09.000 -- We can hear you now.
00:26:11.000 -- I can't quite see you but I think you're going to pull up in a second.
00:26:13.000 -- So please proceed.
00:26:15.000 -- Awesome.
00:26:15.000 -- Great.
00:26:15.000 -- My name, good morning.
00:26:15.000 -- My name is Drew Zabrowski.
00:26:15.000 -- I am a small local private developer of industrial buildings in the Puget Sound advocating against the subject bill here today.
00:26:25.000 -- My specific concerns to this bill include one a dramatic increase in permitting lead times for not only new projects, but also existing projects that triggered certain aid ambiguous thresholds to a broad geographic scope of the environmental disparities map, which encompasses nearly every industrial sub market from Arlington to Michigan to shetlas, including dedicated industrial land and the ports and kid valley with no immediate proximity to residences.
00:26:50.000 -- Third, a vague definition of potentially impactful projects that are ambiguous in nature, could incorporate even the smallest industrial projects and will create uncertainty for lead agencies who in my experience often struggle to meet statutory timelines for CPA already.
00:27:04.000 -- In summary, this bill creates negative economic impacts to our vital port based economy by reducing the supply of sufficient industrial facilities.
00:27:12.000 -- It should be taken into consideration that the consumer will ultimately bear impacts to a reduction of supply of industrial facilities due to higher rent and development costs of the ultimate be passed down to tenants and consumers.
00:27:24.000 -- Thank you very much.
00:27:24.000 -- Jessica Rowe, please proceed.
00:27:29.000 -- Hi, morning chair and committee members.
00:27:29.000 -- Thank you for the opportunity to testify and Jessica Romaland who's attorney with McCullough Hill and also test five here on behalf of Naeon Poshington State.
00:27:40.000 -- We're just finding opposition because we are concerned that the bill has a lengthy extensive process onto an already lengthy CPA process, including a fully IS or any potentially impactful project.
00:27:52.000 -- The mass identifying pollution burden communities include massive areas along I thought, including I five, meaning that all asset types from medical research facilities to housing projects would be impacted by this bill.
00:28:05.000 -- We're concerned that requiring a fully I S E I S and a public hearing process on a single element of the environment is a radical departure from the typical CPA process, which would usually only require a full I E I S where significant impact could not be mitigated by an aligning zoning and with typical permit conditions.
00:28:25.000 -- The definition of environmental justice is so broad we're concerned that the process will be weaponized by those who simply wish to oppose a particular development, including housing.
00:28:36.000 -- There is no guidance to agencies on how to apply.
00:28:36.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:28:36.000 -- Jessica and fortunately we run out of time and there's a lot of testifiers appreciate it.
00:28:44.000 -- Okay, can we have JC Harris if he's here.
00:28:48.000 -- Yes, can you go ahead.
00:28:51.000 -- My name is JC Harris I represent C technoist at info.
00:28:55.000 -- Our members are concerned about the negative impacts from the eighth largest airport in America.
00:29:01.000 -- We are the nine and 10 over burden communities you never hear about the airport is undergoing the largest expansion in its history, but there will be no cumulative mitigation under either CPA or NEPA.
00:29:18.000 -- In addition to the air, the airport was built on a lake and is the source of all main creeps in the area and every year deposit thousands of gallons of carcinogenic products like PFAS.
00:29:32.000 -- And so we have a lot of data that is really important to be able to get access to the water and the water affects hundreds of thousands of people to heal act was a great first step, but SB 5380 provides the operational piece to put good words into action.
00:29:59.000 -- Thank you.
00:30:01.000 -- Thank you.
00:30:08.000 -- Okay, could we have Carly Michaels if you're in the room here and then I'm going to just list a number of people that all want to be paneled together and we'll just have to break it up a little bit.
00:30:22.000 -- Thank you.
00:30:26.000 -- Thank you.
00:30:31.000 -- Thank you.
00:30:35.000 -- Good morning.
00:30:37.000 -- Chair Schumake and members of the committee.
00:30:37.000 -- My name is Carly Michaels.
00:30:37.000 -- I'm the environmental policy director at the Washington Public Ports Association.
00:30:44.000 -- Ports are economic drivers connecting communities to global markets, creating jobs and investing in economic and environmental improvements.
00:30:52.000 -- Today on SB 5380 because it impacts that mission.
00:30:52.000 -- We strongly support the intent of environmental justice and understanding cumulative impacts projects may have.
00:31:03.000 -- However, for many of our port members who plan for and undertake numerous projects a year that are subject to CIPA, this creates significant new challenges.
00:31:12.000 -- We believe these goals can be achieved more holistically and not serve as additional financial burden.
00:31:17.000 -- I'm going to be able to make sure that we're in the community.
00:31:23.000 -- We're in the community.
00:31:25.000 -- I've sent you my full testimony.
00:31:27.000 -- First is prohibiting the consideration of economic benefit, creating project delays and additional project costs.
00:31:33.000 -- There are a lot of conversations ongoing relating to improving permitting and we think that this can be accomplished and incorporate environmental justice in a way that does not lead to less but more expensive community projects.
00:31:39.000 -- Thank you.
00:31:40.000 -- Thank you.
00:31:40.000 -- Good job.
00:31:42.000 -- Appreciate it.
00:31:43.000 -- Please go ahead and send it in writing.
00:31:43.000 -- Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of time.
00:31:46.000 -- Okay.
00:31:47.000 -- Garbo, thank you so much.
00:31:49.000 -- And then we have the rest of the four panelists on remote.
00:31:52.000 -- Yes, thank you for organizing that.
00:31:54.000 -- Chair Schu, make members of the committee.
00:31:54.000 -- My name is Garbo Mohel and I'm the legislative advocate with front and center.
00:31:59.000 -- We are a network of 60 community based organizations rooted in communities of color and low income populations.
00:32:06.000 -- I really like hearing some of the contestimony go up before me because I don't think that we need to choose between a good economy and community health.
00:32:12.000 -- I think we could do both at the same time and this bill aims to do exactly that.
00:32:18.000 -- Four years ago, we passed the HEAL Act which defined environmental justice but then also changed the culture of how we create climate law and also invest climate revenue.
00:32:27.000 -- So this bill helps us make sure that CEPA currently, which doesn't currently capture the impact of community health, will actually do that.
00:32:35.000 -- And that we will have a robust analysis of what are the environmental justice impacts of certain projects and facilities.
00:32:41.000 -- This bill will help us have a more holistic approach to permitting a cleaner and more equitable Washington and that no community faces disproportionate impact due to certain projects that are built in their communities.
00:32:52.000 -- Thank you.
00:32:53.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:32:55.000 -- Nico, where they can.
00:32:57.000 -- And I'm not sure if I said that right so please correct me.
00:33:00.000 -- That's fine.
00:33:00.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:33:03.000 -- Chair, Vice Chair and members of the committee.
00:33:03.000 -- My name is Nico Etakin.
00:33:03.000 -- And I am here on behalf of the front and center coalition.
00:33:09.000 -- As you've already heard Senate Bell 5380, she's to incorporate a cumulative impact analysis into the permitting process for a limited number of permits issued in Washington state.
00:33:19.000 -- The cumulative impacts are the combined environmental exposures, a community experiences cumulative impact analysis is the quantification of these exposures, taking into account population characteristics, such as the socio economic factors that may influence how the various environmental and public health stressors affect community members health, well being and quality of life.
00:33:39.000 -- Looking at cumulative impacts from the community level, we can see that there are disparities at the level of exposure across different populations and multiple factors that are leading to these disparities across the state.
00:33:50.000 -- In this sense, cumulative impact analysis is concerned with addressing the root causes of environmental health disparities.
00:33:56.000 -- This is not a new concept.
00:33:58.000 -- Senate Bell 5380 builds on similar laws passed in New York and New Jersey, as well as policies and multiple states that understand the pollution and air water and waste combined with social determinants of health.
00:34:08.000 -- Have a cumulative impact on communities.
00:34:08.000 -- We urge a vote yes on this bill.
00:34:08.000 -- Thank you very much.
00:34:13.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:34:14.000 -- I am a marshal.
00:34:14.000 -- I'm me.
00:34:14.000 -- Sorry.
00:34:17.000 -- Mia, I love marshal or future.
00:34:19.000 -- Yeah.
00:34:19.000 -- Thank you.
00:34:19.000 -- Chair, she make members of the committee.
00:34:19.000 -- My name is Mia, I am Marshall and I represent the Duamish River Community Coalition and organization seeking to elevate the voices of community members and South Seattle's Duamish Valley, who experienced start cumulative health disparities due to multiple environmental injustices.
00:34:35.000 -- In the Duamish Valley, where I work every day, our community faces stark health disparities.
00:34:35.000 -- My community enders the highest rates of childhood asthma in the county and faces significantly reduced life spans, which are a direct consequence of the cumulative pollution in our area.
00:34:50.000 -- Senate Bell 5380 is not really a bill.
00:34:50.000 -- It's a light line for communities like mine.
00:34:55.000 -- It aims to tackle the root causes of these health disparities by addressing the cumulative environmental burdens we face in the polling process.
00:35:03.000 -- This legislation is crucial for bringing about change and environmental policies and ensuring that our children and future generations can need healthier lives in a cleaner environment.
00:35:12.000 -- Your support for Senate bill 5380 is essential in the fight for environmental justice and the well being of our community.
00:35:12.000 -- Thank you.
00:35:20.000 -- Thank you.
00:35:20.000 -- I own a Jones.
00:35:25.000 -- Good morning.
00:35:25.000 -- Chair Shoemaker and members of the committee.
00:35:25.000 -- My name is I own Jones representing come.
00:35:31.000 -- A tribal grassroots organization seeking to change the systems affecting the lower snake.
00:35:38.000 -- River, Belose and member of the front and centered coalition.
00:35:42.000 -- It's an academic and its partners actively support indigenous rights by promoting traditional ecological knowledge, such as the use of native plants for medicinal use, soil filtration and regeneration.
00:35:57.000 -- And so we're going to be able to build on the cultural and historical practices.
00:35:57.000 -- The Kerr pollution act would build on progress enabled by laws like the heel act by incorporating environmental justice concerns in state policy making investments and planning and by addressing the disproportionate impact a pollution at the source.
00:36:17.000 -- And so we're going to be improving and health, environmental protection and quality of life in the areas that have suffered the most statewide and benefits for everyone in Washington state.
00:36:17.000 -- Thank you.
00:36:29.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:36:29.000 -- I own Jones.
00:36:29.000 -- Maryl Kaminsky.
00:36:34.000 -- Good morning.
00:36:34.000 -- I am Maryl Kaminsky and I work with FOMOS outdoors project, a community based organization which serves Latina migrant multi lingual and newcomer youth and families in welcoming Skagit counties, and particularly those who vote and reside in the 42nd legislative district.
00:36:51.000 -- We serve in the communities we serve wholeheartedly support the curb act, the curb act puts in place protections around further development of toxic facilities in our communities, which are overburdened by toxic waste.
00:37:03.000 -- Our communities live closest to freeways and highly trafficked areas or next to river ways, which have experienced devastating flooding in the recent years, Title one schools where our students attend have received water testing from the Department of Health, which reflect high levels of lead.
00:37:20.000 -- And then families have the right to clean water air, education and physical mental and emotional well being the curb act will make a huge difference and tangible difference in our communities, we support it and hope you will too.
00:37:34.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:37:34.000 -- Paul and can you educate me on how to say your last name tabayo on.
00:37:40.000 -- Yes, that's correct hello my name is Paul tabayo in from the Pacific Islander coalition of Yakima and I called Yakima on my home for over 45 years, I come to the Q.
00:37:50.000 -- And support.
00:37:52.000 -- Because this would be a healing step to repairing the environmental monitoring like that we have been experiencing in a world and growing communities across Washington state not only Yakima growing industries are located upwind within residential and business communities today and at growing layers of pollution.
00:38:09.000 -- In Yakima we see heavy truck traffic amongst large industry as well as many of the other layer pollutants that sometimes are being forgotten.
00:38:18.000 -- Please support the curb act as a step to preventing further damage to our communities health and property values while beginning the process of lessening future air pollution that affects our residents health and business growth and potential tourism through the permitting update that really do need to be done to help create modern community.
00:38:38.000 -- That all have a chance for cleaner air in their neighborhoods.
00:38:38.000 -- Thank you for your time today.
00:38:45.000 -- Thank you very much.
00:38:45.000 -- Let's see.
00:38:48.000 -- Okay, I would go and to go remote to Darcy no to maker and then we'll have an in person panel with Andrea Smiley john Flanagan and Peter gutlusky.
00:39:00.000 -- Great.
00:39:00.000 -- Thank you members of the committee.
00:39:00.000 -- My name is Darcy not a maker and I'm here to speak and support a 53 80 on behalf of Washington conservation action.
00:39:10.000 -- Washington conservation action is a nonprofit organization that is nearly 60 years old.
00:39:15.000 -- One of our first victories was passing the state environmental policy act.
00:39:19.000 -- Over time we know that laws like SIPA need to be updated to better serve the people of the state and support the public interest.
00:39:27.000 -- This bill is a great example of updating a lot of provide more accurate information on environmental impacts and support communities that already bear a higher pollution burden.
00:39:36.000 -- The bill is also on the partnership agenda for the environmental priorities coalition, which means that it's supported by 27 statewide nonprofit organizations who make up the coalition and represent thousands of people and every corner of the state.
00:39:50.000 -- We commend the community led work around this bill and the collaboration on the policy and we urge at the passage.
00:39:50.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:39:57.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:39:59.000 -- Thank you, Madam Chair members of the committee for the record john Flanagan with the port of Seattle testifying other today regarding Senate bill 53 80.
00:40:06.000 -- As I mentioned in this committee on Tuesday in 2019 the port of Seattle was the first port authority in the country to formally partner with the near airport community to specifically address environmental justice issues.
00:40:16.000 -- The board of Seattle wants to find actionable and realistic strategies to advance the work of achieving environmental justice and origin and state and we support the overall intent in the end goals of this legislation.
00:40:26.000 -- We would disagree however with the methods in the process used in the current draft of the bill to reach those goals and to advance that work we agree on the what just not on the how.
00:40:33.000 -- House version of this bill was substantially amended in a positive way and if this proposal is to advance we'd like to see similar improvements made.
00:40:40.000 -- Additionally, we asked the house sponsor to consider adding language that would exempt seat belief agencies from the effects of the bill if they have in some way adopted and environmental justice framework that meets certain criteria essentially can we exempt folks that are taking proactive action.
00:40:53.000 -- Thanks.
00:40:54.000 -- Go ahead, Andrea.
00:40:56.000 -- Thank you chair members of the committee and re-smiley here on behalf of the building industry association of Washington.
00:41:01.000 -- We are here in opposition to this bill for many of the reasons already stated by testifiers.
00:41:07.000 -- While we believe this is well intended we also believe that there are unintended consequences such as halting projects that are provide good paying jobs and would directly benefit those communities that we're trying to benefit with this bill in particular so.
00:41:26.000 -- We are in opposition and hope to not see this go through committee.
00:41:30.000 -- Thank you.
00:41:31.000 -- Good morning chair she make members of the committee for the record Peter God those key with the association of Washington business also signed an oppose this morning.
00:41:38.000 -- Again, would also like to echo all the testimony you've heard with the concerns about this bill would just like to note two points one there are a number of projects which go through seat by the receiver do not impact of no significance.
00:41:52.000 -- This bill would require them still to go through a mini seepa before that process is concluded so we're basically front loading the seepa work for projects that don't actually undergo which is being an EIS work with projects under don't end up going in EIS so have some concerns about that.
00:42:06.000 -- And then also that the focus of this bill would also have some impacts on elements like the print transit oriented development or other sort of affordable housing options the state does have an interest in on so do.
00:42:17.000 -- Senator.
00:42:18.000 -- To be clear the bill does not apply to residential development.
00:42:22.000 -- So the question.
00:42:24.000 -- Senator.
00:42:25.000 -- Yeah.
00:42:26.000 -- So staff wouldn't you agree the bill does not apply to residential development.
00:42:31.000 -- That's correct.
00:42:31.000 -- Thank you.
00:42:34.000 -- Just the bill as drafted doesn't apply to a for a residence development with affordable housing elements but there are elements of housing that we do think would be pulled under this if they don't have any affordable housing so we do think there is.
00:42:47.000 -- I'm concerned there.
00:42:49.000 -- Thank you.
00:42:50.000 -- Okay.
00:42:51.000 -- We're going to go to Eric Pratt online.
00:42:54.000 -- Eric if you can hear me please go ahead and unmute.
00:42:58.000 -- Eric can you hear me.
00:43:06.000 -- Yes, I can hear you go ahead.
00:43:08.000 -- Thanks.
00:43:10.000 -- Thank you.
00:43:12.000 -- Thank you.
00:43:13.000 -- Yes, my name Eric Pratt.
00:43:15.000 -- I reside in the 24th legislative district and I signed in today.
00:43:19.000 -- In opposition to 53 80 and I hope you are too.
00:43:23.000 -- I just don't understand.
00:43:26.000 -- Why we need to add what could potentially be some arbitrary and capricious requirements for some important.
00:43:31.000 -- I think that I thought we're already addressed with other environmental policies.
00:43:37.000 -- And it that's why it doesn't it sort of seems to add something that could be skewed according to subjective.
00:43:45.000 -- Metrics instead of really focusing essentially on scientific metrics which if we're really taking environmental stewardship.
00:43:56.000 -- I think that's what we're looking forward to.
00:43:59.000 -- I think that's what we're looking forward to.
00:44:01.000 -- I think that's what we're looking forward to.
00:44:03.000 -- That should be our foundational core.
00:44:06.000 -- And I understand that we want to make sure we develop correctly and things like that.
00:44:11.000 -- But I don't think this will help the actual health of any community at all.
00:44:17.000 -- So I urge you to do not pass this out of committee.
00:44:20.000 -- Thank you.
00:44:21.000 -- Joshua Estes.
00:44:22.000 -- I'm going to say that we're going to take a look at the discussion of Western Pope and paperwork or union commonly referred to as the AWP P.W. We support environmental justice and clean healthy communities, but we have posed Senate Bill 53 80 is written.
00:44:40.000 -- The bills vague criteria for environmental assessments could lead to permit denials and project delays and put family wage union back jobs at risk, especially in rural and industrial communities.
00:44:49.000 -- Like the ones we work in devastating not only our members livelihoods, but entire communities that rely on these jobs.
00:44:56.000 -- Once these mills close, they rarely come back.
00:44:59.000 -- We would agree that we would agree with previous commenters that we can have both a strong economy and healthy communities.
00:45:05.000 -- Unfortunately, we can't achieve both if we trade economic stability for regulatory uncertainty.
00:45:11.000 -- We may need to pause the bill and bring labor industry and environmental advocates together to create a balanced path forward that ensures a healthy environment without sacrificing the livelihoods of hardworking families.
00:45:21.000 -- Thank you.
00:45:22.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:45:23.000 -- Carry sessions if you're available and on deck would be Chris covert bolts.
00:45:35.000 -- Chair of Shoemaker members of the committee.
00:45:37.000 -- My name is carry sessions.
00:45:38.000 -- I work as a legislative director at the Department of Ecology.
00:45:41.000 -- We're signed in other today to provide technical input on the bill.
00:45:44.000 -- Ecology provides guidance and establishes role to guide lead agencies and implementing CEPA.
00:45:50.000 -- While this bill seeks to integrate environmental justice into the CEPA process, several elements do conflict with established CEPA timelines.
00:45:57.000 -- For example, the timeline established in three section three for the EJIS could exceed the 90 day limit for CEPA's threshold determination.
00:46:06.000 -- This is post challenges for lead agencies and undergoing CEPA and for ecology and developing the guidance.
00:46:12.000 -- Additionally, the bill would prohibit the issuance of major new air pollution permits for new contaminant sources in areas ranked nine and 10 on the EHD map.
00:46:22.000 -- And this could prevent necessary upgrades or modifications to existing sources would improve air quality and could jeopardize delegation of federal permitting authority.
00:46:32.000 -- In our mail justice is a core part of ecology's work.
00:46:35.000 -- We really appreciate the sponsors intent and efforts on this bill and we're happy to answer any questions.
00:46:42.000 -- I don't see any questions.
00:46:44.000 -- Chris covert's bold.
00:46:47.000 -- I'm going to cover bold family physician and Seattle representing Washington physicians for social responsibility and support of the bill.
00:46:54.000 -- Washington state currently has no process to use cumulative risk to the community and the process of permitting including businesses.
00:47:01.000 -- New York New Jersey New Mexico already do.
00:47:04.000 -- We filled this risk-based approach to reducing the ongoing harm to overburden communities will greatly improve health for all.
00:47:12.000 -- Thank you very much.
00:47:14.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:47:16.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:47:16.000 -- Madam Chair is final testifier who is available.
00:47:20.000 -- We had 932 sign in pro 243 sign in con and three other.
00:47:26.000 -- Excellent.
00:47:26.000 -- That closes the hearing on 53 80 and we will now move to 50 91 staff will you give us the briefing.
00:47:36.000 -- Thank you Madam Chair.
00:47:36.000 -- Matt Shabber-Conningser again.
00:47:38.000 -- Thank you.
00:47:41.000 -- Thank you.
00:47:44.000 -- Thank you.
00:47:53.000 -- Thank you.
00:47:57.000 -- Thank you.
00:48:02.000 -- The Clean Air Act permits other states to either adopt the federal standards or California's and two date 17 states have adopted at least some of these.
00:48:06.000 -- Washington being being one of those.
00:48:08.000 -- The bill before you requires ecology to adopt rules to implement motor vehicle emission standards that maintain consistency with the federal clean air act and prohibits ecology from adopting California standards.
00:48:19.000 -- The state of California is not available.
00:48:23.000 -- That concludes my presentation.
00:48:28.000 -- Thank you.
00:48:31.000 -- Madam Chair and appreciate the time to do in this.
00:48:34.000 -- My name is Matt.
00:48:36.000 -- Thank you, State Senator.
00:48:39.000 -- State Legislative District and thank you Vice Chair Slider and fellow committee members hearing the bill today.
00:48:44.000 -- I'm trying to get us a platform.
00:48:46.000 -- I was we adopted the state's car rules of the California Air Resource Board rules fully understanding the impact on our industry.
00:48:54.000 -- But we haven't seen really that impact in the details of what the economy is going to bring us in really what the industry impacts through energy environment and the technology that we see.
00:49:05.000 -- That's what the creation of SB 50 91 comes to us.
00:49:08.000 -- The bill lets us hear the challenges surrounding the zero emission adoption, let alone particularly in the medium and heavy duty trucks that we're seeing along the roads and the vehicles along with that.
00:49:19.000 -- And really directly from the impacted parties that you'll see today coming up there.
00:49:23.000 -- We're going to discuss a lot of the factors that compensated in Oregon, Idaho and California, but not necessarily those that are impacting here in Washington state.
00:49:31.000 -- ours is a different state and we should look at our state as a whole and discuss these for our own discussions here.
00:49:38.000 -- Washington state's large truck buyers and apples of apps comparison between diesel, fuel and zero emissions options should be a primary cause of this.
00:49:46.000 -- While maintaining the same level of productivity that meet our freight demands but also reduces costs in our supply chain efforts.
00:49:53.000 -- Trucking industry is out there and is building at the speed of trust as we talked about in this committee.
00:49:59.000 -- The trust that we have in our industry to innovate the trust that we have to reduce costs, the trust that we have that we know we can lead an industry across the nation in the global environment and a trust that we see that we can reduce carbon emissions.
00:50:13.000 -- And there's been a long history of the industry coming to the table to meet not only the EPA standards now but into the future and innovating and doing what we can to increase jobs in our state.
00:50:24.000 -- And we recognize where to cause better opportunity a historical moment to lead where we can, but not to be so far ahead where it's causing problems in our industry.
00:50:33.000 -- Local manufacturers are continuing to innovate, making sure that we have a share of the truck power and technology and really the manufacturing feasibility of what these trucking operations have that are available today into the future and you're going to hear some of that.
00:50:47.000 -- And we're getting more of a lot of the exciting work that we're doing right here in the state of Washington.
00:50:53.000 -- But our concern of course the energy capacity we have grid reliability issues infrastructure that is really insufficient and limited vehicle options that are really out here industry is being hindered.
00:51:04.000 -- It's uncertain now our state initiative programs are going to be out there for purchasing the medium we had those discussions here and also in the transportation it's going to be budget concerns that we're going to be grappling with the next couple weeks as well.
00:51:15.000 -- So we have to have an industry look at the building the trust that we see today the trucking industry needs time to overcome some of these initial challenges so SB 591 but the state and industry on the level playing field where we can along with the rest of the nation and where it is the industry needs to remain competitive, preserve jobs and maintain the supply chain resiliency and I would add the competitive leadership that we have in the state, but we should take that, we never take that for granted so I offer this up any questions from the committee.
00:51:44.000 -- I don't say any questions which is good because we've got 28 testifiers and 30 minutes, Madame Vice Chair.
00:51:51.000 -- No pressure.
00:51:53.000 -- For any good.
00:51:54.000 -- Okay, I like to call up Jeffrey Pack please and it looks like a remote side in and Alex Shea.
00:52:05.000 -- And there will be a one minute timer.
00:52:13.000 -- Jeffries on his way so why don't we start with Alex Shea and there's no Alex okay.
00:52:19.000 -- Well while we're waiting for it Jeffrey really quickly I'll just there would be a panel of Jerry Banderwood Brett Ferulo and Jeff 10 pass.
00:52:30.000 -- If you want to come on up.
00:52:33.000 -- Just Jeffery are you there.
00:52:35.000 -- Can you hear me? Yep.
00:52:38.000 -- I was going to go first.
00:52:39.000 -- Okay go ahead then.
00:52:40.000 -- Chair Shoemake, Ranking Member, Benkey members of the committee.
00:52:43.000 -- I'm Jerry van der Wood with Associated General Contractors, HGC represents a thousand member company statewide involved in commercial construction.
00:52:51.000 -- Our members build roads, bridges, schools, office buildings and more.
00:52:54.000 -- I'm here to express our support for this bill with me online or two agency members who will elaborate on the concerns the construction industry has for these car requirements.
00:53:04.000 -- I would like to take a moment to emphasize so these requirements will have significant consequences for the cost of construction.
00:53:11.000 -- Taking wash got as one example our transportation budget currently has a huge hole preservation is under funded by hundreds of millions.
00:53:20.000 -- Fish passages need another five billion into come to conclusion.
00:53:24.000 -- These requirements are digging a deeper hole.
00:53:27.000 -- We encourage you to pass this bill.
00:53:29.000 -- Deep leaking Washington from California will provide opportunities to solve problems for Washington businesses and consumers while giving industries the flexibility needed to adopt carbon reducing technology based on their unique operational needs.
00:53:45.000 -- Thank you very much.
00:53:47.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:53:48.000 -- Go ahead, Jeffrey.
00:53:55.000 -- One quick question is the emissions testing bill.
00:53:58.000 -- I was I was misunderstanding with people were saying there.
00:54:02.000 -- This is 56, 591 motor vehicle emissions.
00:54:05.000 -- Yes.
00:54:06.000 -- Okay.
00:54:06.000 -- My apologies.
00:54:06.000 -- Sorry.
00:54:09.000 -- Let me get my notes back up here again.
00:54:14.000 -- Okay.
00:54:14.000 -- Thank you for answering that.
00:54:16.000 -- My name is Jeff Pack representing Washington citizens against unfair taxes and we are strongly objecting to the bill.
00:54:22.000 -- I'm really trying to struggle right now to understand why anyone even supports this bill.
00:54:27.000 -- It kind of appears to be a thinly build attempt to generate more money has little to do actually with clean air and serves to make an attempt to get multiple classes of vehicles off the road.
00:54:36.000 -- While it exempts many older vehicles, it kind of hides even those vehicles that may not be licensed of all due to refrigerant used if I'm following this bill correctly.
00:54:45.000 -- So it wasn't brought up in the status report.
00:54:47.000 -- And then let's talk about the whole emissions test itself, which is really a complete joke.
00:54:51.000 -- A car may fail in emissions test for nothing to do with emissions whatsoever.
00:54:55.000 -- Let me give you an example I just ran into with my car.
00:54:58.000 -- A fuel tank center unit, which which runs the gas gauge went out and through an engine check has 0.0 to do with anything submissions related whatsoever.
00:55:08.000 -- Yet it failed to test.
00:55:09.000 -- It appears any check engine code thrown fails to test emissions related or not.
00:55:14.000 -- The testing is poorly implemented.
00:55:16.000 -- That's all.
00:55:16.000 -- Thank you folks.
00:55:18.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:55:18.000 -- Okay.
00:55:18.000 -- Brett for RULO and Jeff 10 pass.
00:55:24.000 -- Sorry, Jerry didn't put him in order there for you.
00:55:28.000 -- Okay.
00:55:29.000 -- Chair Shoemaker members of the committee.
00:55:29.000 -- My name is Brett for RULO and I'm co-owner of Northwest Construction located in Bellevue.
00:55:36.000 -- We own a fleet of class aid heavy duty trucks on our 50 plus drivers or members of the teamster union.
00:55:43.000 -- The current diesel engine technology eliminates 94 to 98% of all particular and knocks alludes.
00:55:50.000 -- If we did nothing else except for the implement the current diesel engine technology.
00:55:55.000 -- Our air would be clean.
00:55:57.000 -- We're going to say trucks cost about $300,000 today and they can work an eight to 10 hour day on a tank of fuel.
00:56:03.000 -- And he each truck costs 560,000 and operates half the miles due to its charge.
00:56:08.000 -- I'll now have to buy two trucks to do the work of one.
00:56:11.000 -- What cost $300,000 today will cost a million one.
00:56:15.000 -- If we adopt California's rules or maintain them.
00:56:18.000 -- This is not a trade off of clean air versus profits.
00:56:21.000 -- The current technology already reduces pollutants by 94 to 98%.
00:56:27.000 -- The cost impacts resulting from this rule not materially improved the air that we breathe.
00:56:31.000 -- Thank you.
00:56:33.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:56:34.000 -- Jeff, 10 pass.
00:56:36.000 -- Hi, chair, to Shoemaker members of the committee.
00:56:39.000 -- I'm Jeff, 10 pass CEO and partner of BAI and environmental services and Lyndon Washington in the 42nd.
00:56:44.000 -- We're especially contractor that provides services for the oil and gas construction commercial and municipal sectors.
00:56:50.000 -- We employ about 100 people and walk them, Scagit and Island counties related to SB 5091.
00:56:57.000 -- We operate around 35 commercial vehicles.
00:57:00.000 -- Today I'm asking you to vote yes on SB 5091.
00:57:03.000 -- We appreciate the goal of reducing carbon emissions, but the current policy will backfire.
00:57:08.000 -- Because of the high cost of electric vehicles, approximately two to four times the cost of standard vehicles.
00:57:14.000 -- Companies will have to hold on to current fleets, which are less efficient than the newer, more efficient internal combustion engines.
00:57:22.000 -- Plus the cost of charging stations will be another cost for companies.
00:57:25.000 -- This will be a challenge perhaps unattainable for smaller firms.
00:57:29.000 -- This policy is coming online in Washington state during the time of significant transportation funding challenges as washed out and others have reported.
00:57:36.000 -- The transportation budget already has a billion dollar shortfall in the short term.
00:57:40.000 -- It's projected to be much worse in the long term.
00:57:42.000 -- Thank you Mr.
00:57:42.000 -- Ten pass.
00:57:44.000 -- Thank you.
00:57:45.000 -- I appreciate it.
00:57:46.000 -- Please feel free to send your testimony and writing as well.
00:57:48.000 -- Okay.
00:57:49.000 -- Sherry, call Sean Waters and Carl Hergart.
00:57:52.000 -- If you're here, please come on up and on deck would be John Barnes, Steve Gordon and all in Hunter.
00:57:59.000 -- So, as you're seated and you're ready, go ahead.
00:58:02.000 -- Excellent.
00:58:05.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:58:07.000 -- Chair, she may members of the committee and thank you, Senator Bankey for bringing this bill forward.
00:58:12.000 -- Sherry Call with the Washington Trucking Association.
00:58:15.000 -- Here is support of Senate Bill 591, which aims to D.
00:58:20.000 -- Lane, Washington State from California Air Resources Board policy.
00:58:25.000 -- The irony in this policy is in order for us to make any change to the impacted segment that we're concerned about, which is the medium and heavy duty space.
00:58:34.000 -- We have to link ourselves entirely in order for us to make that change.
00:58:39.000 -- We're in favor of de-linking or at least a delay, so industry can come to the table.
00:58:45.000 -- I've got some excellent stakeholders lined up today and I think you'll see some thoughtful positions on this topic.
00:58:51.000 -- Thank you so much.
00:58:58.000 -- Good morning and thank you, Chair.
00:59:00.000 -- We're going to make a ranking member Bankey for giving us the opportunity to speak today.
00:59:04.000 -- My name is Carl Hergath, our represent PACR, the maker of Kenworth and Peter Bill Trucks, one of the largest truck manufacturers in the world.
00:59:12.000 -- This year we'll celebrate our 120th anniversary and through that long history we've seen a lot of change.
00:59:19.000 -- We've seen Trucks run on steam, gasoline, diesel, and now electricity and hydrogen.
00:59:25.000 -- But one thing has not changed and that is that the customer really picks the winners and decides what technology will ultimately prevail.
00:59:34.000 -- We think that the right path for Washington is to prioritize getting older Trucks off the road, promote the low carbon fuel standard, and defer the advanced clean truck regulation to allow for infrastructure to build out, and then gradually introduce zero emission Trucks where they make sense and build scale from there.
00:59:54.000 -- Thank you.
00:59:58.000 -- Good afternoon.
01:00:00.000 -- Sean Waters, I'm the vice president of Product Integrity for Daimur Trucks, North America, headquartered down south in Portland, Oregon.
01:00:07.000 -- Thank you for giving us the time to test it by today.
01:00:10.000 -- This is a super complex topic and we're not going to cover much in one minute.
01:00:13.000 -- So let me just get to two important points.
01:00:16.000 -- In the Class A tractor category of which we have about 40% of the market share, we've sold three electric tractors in the last three years.
01:00:23.000 -- That will enable us to sell 39 diesel trucks this year in the state of Washington, our normal markets about 500.
01:00:30.000 -- So those new clean diesel trucks that are available today aren't going to be able to be purchased because of the ACT rule.
01:00:36.000 -- Second, in order to comply with the ACT rule over its life, we watched a lot of these about 77 chargers to be coming online a week starting six weeks ago.
01:00:45.000 -- There's not enough charging available in the state.
01:00:47.000 -- That's the reason why customers aren't buying them.
01:00:49.000 -- Thank you.
01:00:51.000 -- Quick question, Carl.
01:00:52.000 -- Packars such a leader in sort of novel technology for trucking.
01:00:56.000 -- And I know you've done some work in EV trucking.
01:00:58.000 -- Keep just talk a little bit about how just briefly about how advanced that is right now.
01:01:04.000 -- Yeah, we happy to.
01:01:05.000 -- Thank you for the question.
01:01:06.000 -- We have, I mean, not only our leader in clean diesel technology, but we have invested big investments in zero emission technology, including a full portfolio of battery electric trucks and establishing a three-pound dollar domestic manufacturing battery cell facility in northern Mississippi.
01:01:24.000 -- And these are very expensive.
01:01:27.000 -- It sounds like it's tough to sort of transition them in is what it sounds to me like, but are these long haul tracking trucks these the EV ones? Yeah.
01:01:36.000 -- They're, we cover the whole portfolio from class five, six and up to eight.
01:01:43.000 -- Do you do tours? Yes, we do.
01:01:46.000 -- And of course, walking is our home.
01:01:49.000 -- We'd be happy to have you at our technical center up in Mount Vernon.
01:01:54.000 -- I believe the chair, Shoemaker has been there, but we'd be happy to have you.
01:01:59.000 -- I have a very cool picture of myself.
01:02:01.000 -- Follow up question from Senator Harris.
01:02:05.000 -- Thank you, either one.
01:02:07.000 -- How far on a charge right now? How fast can you recharge and how much weight can these trucks hold the big ones? Thanks for the question.
01:02:18.000 -- Currently, the range is about 150 to 250 miles depending on the charge station.
01:02:26.000 -- It may take you five to six hours to, to charge the truck.
01:02:31.000 -- It depends on the range, right? But it could be 10 to 20,000 pounds of extra weight with the batteries.
01:02:42.000 -- I'd just like to remind the committee that we have 21 more testifiers and 19 more minutes.
01:02:49.000 -- Awesome.
01:02:49.000 -- Thanks so much.
01:02:51.000 -- Okay.
01:02:51.000 -- John Barnes.
01:02:56.000 -- John Barnes, Steve Gordon and Olin Hunter, and I think Olin Hunter is remote.
01:03:01.000 -- So come on up and as soon as you're ready to go, please proceed because I'm in trouble now.
01:03:07.000 -- I have John.
01:03:11.000 -- All right.
01:03:11.000 -- Chairman members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to speak today.
01:03:16.000 -- John Barnes, I'm with Tech Equipment, where the franchise Mac and Volvo dealer for a majority of the West Coast.
01:03:22.000 -- We're no stranger to EVs.
01:03:24.000 -- We've actually sold more Class 8 EVs than any other dealer group in the United States.
01:03:29.000 -- So we're not against it.
01:03:31.000 -- This being a California regulation, I think a good perspective is to look at California.
01:03:37.000 -- California spent three to four years and billions of dollars developing the infrastructure and the technology.
01:03:43.000 -- Then now we fast forward.
01:03:46.000 -- The regulation has been in effect in California for one year.
01:03:50.000 -- We've seen 70% decrease in Class 8 vehicle sales in California to put that in perspective.
01:03:57.000 -- And Washington, that's roughly $390 million in sales that would not be coming next year.
01:04:04.000 -- So last year when we looked at our order board, we had 450 trucks on order.
01:04:11.000 -- As of right now, we have zero on order.
01:04:15.000 -- That's all available for any questions.
01:04:15.000 -- Thank you so much.
01:04:19.000 -- Steve.
01:04:20.000 -- Hi.
01:04:20.000 -- Thanks for having us here today, committee members.
01:04:23.000 -- Steve Gordon, I represent Gordon Truck Centers, which is freight lineer dealers throughout the West with seven locations here in Washington.
01:04:31.000 -- We sold those three V's that Sean earlier mentioned.
01:04:34.000 -- So they're not exactly jumping off the shelf.
01:04:37.000 -- So the challenge is that anytime you talk to a trucker, it's a hyper competitive industry.
01:04:43.000 -- And so if you're going to charge them three times as much for the initial purchase price, you just don't find a lot of buyers for that.
01:04:49.000 -- Plus their 10,000 pounds heavier, they go one fifth of the distance.
01:04:53.000 -- They're just not quite up for the job today of the trucking industry.
01:04:58.000 -- Trucking moves 75% of the economy.
01:05:01.000 -- So it's vital to how we all get our goods.
01:05:04.000 -- It's also an interstate marketplace.
01:05:07.000 -- So if you impact Washington, that's one thing.
01:05:10.000 -- But these buyers can just go across the border Idaho where we do have a dealership location, by the way.
01:05:16.000 -- And we can sell trucks that aren't subject to the same regulations and EV mandate.
01:05:22.000 -- So we just would like to see us deal link and move on and have our own solution for Washington state here in Washington, rather than rely in California.
01:05:32.000 -- Quick question for Steve.
01:05:34.000 -- Real quick.
01:05:35.000 -- You mentioned something earlier about the same kind of discussion going on in Oregon.
01:05:39.000 -- Can you touch that real quick? What you're hearing from the others? Yeah, unfortunately we also have a lot of dealership locations in Oregon.
01:05:45.000 -- And we are the truck dealer on the West Coast not selling any trucks in Washington in Oregon because they're subject to the same actual rule that they adopted the same, the same position of Washington and the other states have.
01:05:57.000 -- Thank you so much.
01:05:58.000 -- All in hunter.
01:06:00.000 -- Yes, can you hear the audio? Okay.
01:06:02.000 -- Yep.
01:06:03.000 -- See you in here.
01:06:04.000 -- Go ahead.
01:06:05.000 -- Excellent.
01:06:06.000 -- Great.
01:06:07.000 -- Thank you, committee chair.
01:06:09.000 -- Senator.
01:06:10.000 -- Banky and committee members.
01:06:10.000 -- My name is old and hunter on the vice president of Dobs truck group.
01:06:15.000 -- Appreciate the opportunity this morning to testify in support of SB 5091.
01:06:21.000 -- Our company operates eight commercial truck dealerships in the state of Washington, employing over 250 people that sell in support.
01:06:29.000 -- Those heavy duty trucks, which are the backbone of our nation's supply chain.
01:06:33.000 -- As a result of adopting California's ACT rule here in Washington, our business has been able to place zero new truck orders for customers that want to purchase diesel trucks, resulting in a significant loss of income and also resulting in less tax revenue for the state.
01:06:51.000 -- Our customers are evaluating alternatives, including buying older, more polluting trucks or in fact, moving their transportation businesses out of state, both of which are not good for the state of Washington.
01:07:03.000 -- So in closing, I would urge the committee to support passing SB 5091.
01:07:07.000 -- Perfect.
01:07:07.000 -- Thank you so much.
01:07:09.000 -- Okay.
01:07:09.000 -- Mike Chester, Eric Badger and Jim Contreras, and I believe Eric is on remote.
01:07:15.000 -- Eric, if you can hear me, why don't you go ahead and begin and while everyone's coming up.
01:07:19.000 -- Eric, thank you.
01:07:27.000 -- Thank you, Chairman.
01:07:33.000 -- You make Senator Bonkey.
01:07:35.000 -- I'm Mike Chester.
01:07:35.000 -- I'm a peninsula of truck lines.
01:07:35.000 -- We are a less than truck load carrier based right here in federal way Washington.
01:07:42.000 -- We've been around since 1951.
01:07:42.000 -- We operate 360 class eight tractors throughout the state of Oregon, Washington and Idaho.
01:07:52.000 -- So as we look at this, we've been putting a fairly precarious position.
01:07:52.000 -- Number one, how to pay for it.
01:07:52.000 -- There's a $250,000 delta between the diesel truck that we run today and the BEV and await difference.
01:08:08.000 -- So we are actively looking to purchase out of state, which was mentioned before and operating that equipment out of state and bringing only used equipment in and it's not what we want to do.
01:08:18.000 -- But it's the position we feel that we've been left in at this point if we stay linked to carbon after all ACT and we're forced in the buying BEV.
01:08:18.000 -- Thank you.
01:08:26.000 -- Thanks so much.
01:08:26.000 -- Go ahead.
01:08:28.000 -- Let me start by thanking the chair members of the committee for taking this time to meet and engage with various stakeholders state.
01:08:34.000 -- My name is Jim Contreras.
01:08:34.000 -- I manage the West Coast asset base trade operations for rider supply chain.
01:08:41.000 -- We support the linking from CARB Act in Washington state.
01:08:45.000 -- Writer has over 250,000 vehicles under management, 760 maintenance facilities, 100 million square feet of warehouse space, 45,000 employees of which upwards of 1,000 of those are in Washington state.
01:08:59.000 -- We are fully committed to being a leader in the transition to zero mission vehicles.
01:09:03.000 -- Writer and our industry at large are fully committed to this transition away from internal combustion engines.
01:09:08.000 -- However, the technology needed to implement a transition must be available, reliable and cost competitive with current technology alternatives.
01:09:16.000 -- Recently, writer and our customers request examine impacts of implementing an all EV fleet in the resulting white paper.
01:09:25.000 -- For example, some of you have shared, have been shared with members here.
01:09:29.000 -- Shows estimates up to nearly 114% increase in total cost transportation.
01:09:35.000 -- Our analysis underscores the reasons EV adoption for commercial heavy duty vehicles remains in its infancy.
01:09:41.000 -- Thank you.
01:09:41.000 -- We're already running.
01:09:43.000 -- If you can go ahead and send the white paper if you want to.
01:09:43.000 -- Thank you.
01:09:46.000 -- Okay, Eric Badger.
01:09:53.000 -- Good morning.
01:09:53.000 -- Thanks for the opportunity to comment today and supported this bill.
01:09:57.000 -- I represent our trucking company, LTI Inc in Milky Way.
01:09:57.000 -- Milky Way is leading milk collar in Pacific Northwest and state of Washington.
01:10:05.000 -- We are one of the most efficient milk calling fleets in the nation by maximizing every load by building lighter tanks and customizing our truck designs.
01:10:13.000 -- We do this work fleet, proficiently, all more than 2 plus million gallons of milk per day.
01:10:18.000 -- We support this bill because we see the unintended effects act has on our business and our business partners.
01:10:24.000 -- And we know Washington can do better.
01:10:27.000 -- Currently there's not a single zero mission tractor being produced that will work for operations.
01:10:32.000 -- Our fleet of more than three other tractors work up to 24 hours per day.
01:10:36.000 -- Driver's slip sheet, slip sheet.
01:10:39.000 -- And there's not a single tractor that will work for operations plus the 2 and a half times capital cost.
01:10:47.000 -- Our payloads the range of these zero mission tractors is only about 150 miles for us on average.
01:10:53.000 -- That would only be about a half of an average driver ship for the reducing our proving to be.
01:10:58.000 -- Eric, go ahead and send that by written testimony.
01:10:58.000 -- If that's okay.
01:10:58.000 -- We're just in a rush here.
01:11:03.000 -- Thank you.
01:11:05.000 -- Corey Daniels, are you here? Come on up.
01:11:08.000 -- Corey, Joe Albushey, who I think is on remote and Terrill in Frey, as well as Christine Cooley.
01:11:17.000 -- Hello, my name is Corey Daniels.
01:11:17.000 -- Thank you for allowing us to do this today.
01:11:22.000 -- The General Sales Manager for Papay Kenworth, we're the Kenworth dealer for Western Washington.
01:11:27.000 -- Everything west of Yakima.
01:11:29.000 -- You've heard a lot of incredible statements as to the economic and how unaffordable the electric vehicles are.
01:11:37.000 -- I'd like to give you an idea of how much it will cost the state to not have the tax revenues that will be coming in from this from the seven major manufacturers within our state who all have dealers.
01:11:47.000 -- Papay Kenworth averages about 500 class eight, class seven or eight truck sales per year in the state, generating approximately 13 to 14 million dollars in complete tax revenue.
01:11:57.000 -- You multiply that times a seven.
01:11:57.000 -- We're all about the same.
01:11:57.000 -- You're your dollar near 100 million dollars of lost revenues.
01:11:57.000 -- This year, we have 42 total trucks that we can sell.
01:12:07.000 -- We have a staff of 10 salespeople, 42 won't feed a single one of them.
01:12:13.000 -- We pay out approximately two million dollars in commissions per year.
01:12:13.000 -- This year, we will 2.2 last year and this year it will be cut by two million dollars.
01:12:21.000 -- So you're affecting the lives and families of people who have made careers in this industry that don't have an option and don't have something that they can sell.
01:12:29.000 -- Thank you.
01:12:30.000 -- Yes, ma'am.
01:12:31.000 -- Very, very much.
01:12:32.000 -- Joel Bushey.
01:12:35.000 -- Are you there? I'm going to call up Matthew Heppner.
01:12:43.000 -- Good morning, Chair Schumacher and committee.
01:12:43.000 -- My name is Matthew Heppner.
01:12:53.000 -- I'm the executive director of the certified electrical workers of Washington.
01:12:57.000 -- And we are here opposed to Senate Bill 1591.
01:13:00.000 -- Washington cleans vehicle programs has been a win win for creating good jobs and reducing transportation emissions.
01:13:06.000 -- Advanced clean trucks and advanced clean cars are expanding opportunities for Washington skilled electrical workforce while we're do seeing harmful diesel pollution.
01:13:15.000 -- Electrical workers are essential for clean energy economy installing and maintaining eB charging infrastructure.
01:13:21.000 -- Not only creates good family wage jobs, but I'll also open to pathways to apprenticeships in the electrical industry.
01:13:28.000 -- As the federal government cuts funding to the national electrical vehicle infrastructure funding, we lost roughly $75 million worth of work here at home.
01:13:37.000 -- Washington must remain a leader in creating energy jobs and protecting our clean vehicle rules supporting these programs protects jobs and apprenticeships and employees and employees of skilled workers needed to power clean cars and trucks.
01:13:50.000 -- Please oppose Senate Bill 1591.
01:13:50.000 -- Thank you.
01:13:53.000 -- Thank you.
01:13:54.000 -- Thank you.
01:13:54.000 -- Margaret, if you're there, please go ahead.
01:13:56.000 -- So, and thanks for the time.
01:13:56.000 -- I really appreciate the opportunity to comment and show opposition to this bill.
01:14:05.000 -- Zeeam solutions is just something that your name for the record, please.
01:14:05.000 -- I'm sorry.
01:14:05.000 -- Margaret.
01:14:11.000 -- With thank you.
01:14:13.000 -- Yeah.
01:14:13.000 -- And Zeeam solutions is a company that builds shared charging infrastructure and we're really excited to be investing in Washington.
01:14:21.000 -- We have a site coming online in CTAK, Washington.
01:14:25.000 -- At the end of this year, we're going to have 42 fast charging ports that can serve 250 vehicles per day, predominantly class eight and parking charge over 70 vehicles overnight.
01:14:38.000 -- And that's a seven and a half megawatt interconnect.
01:14:41.000 -- And we're going to have a good story in California.
01:14:41.000 -- We have a site outside of LAX that is profitable at the site level.
01:14:41.000 -- We're doing eight to 900 charge sessions a day.
01:14:52.000 -- And we've dispensed over six million kilowatt hours.
01:14:52.000 -- So just wanted to share that good news and thank you for the opportunity.
01:14:59.000 -- Thank you so much.
01:14:59.000 -- Melissa Berger.
01:15:04.000 -- I'm a regional policy director for Cal Start which is a national clean transportation nonprofit.
01:15:10.000 -- And for the last 30 years, we've beentrained on developing and assessing and implementing large scale zero mission transportation solutions.
01:15:18.000 -- I'm here today because I would just first of all like to applaud Washington's leadership as it relates to cleaner air and cleaner vehicles while we're supportive of both ACC to and HTO.
01:15:30.000 -- I do want to focus on ACT here today.
01:15:30.000 -- ACT will help bring down costs since already doing so for manufacturers and fleet operators.
01:15:40.000 -- This is also a.
01:15:44.000 -- We're at a unique point in history with this rapid technological innovation as it relates to zero mission vehicles.
01:15:44.000 -- Washington has already deployed hundreds of zero mission trucks across classes to be through eight in terms of being able to comply at the early stages of the advanced clean trucks rule.
01:16:04.000 -- Washington is in a very thank you so much.
01:16:07.000 -- I'm sorry, I ran out of time.
01:16:07.000 -- Okay, Liam is sick, Kate white tutor and Mia, I am a ILM.
01:16:12.000 -- I'm sure.
01:16:13.000 -- On deck is Joel, Creswell, Rebecca, Faust and Travis Nelson.
01:16:28.000 -- Thank you.
01:16:28.000 -- All right.
01:16:28.000 -- Good morning, everybody.
01:16:28.000 -- I'm Liam is secure with climate solutions and strong opposition climate.
01:16:34.000 -- Our transportation pollution is our largest source of climate pollution in Washington.
01:16:34.000 -- And this would roll back our tremendous project, our tremendous progress.
01:16:42.000 -- I cannot underscore how critical the clean vehicles program is for us to meet our climate targets and statue.
01:16:42.000 -- Absolutely fundamental state research shows this.
01:16:51.000 -- But also these policies are working.
01:16:51.000 -- They are thoughtful.
01:16:51.000 -- They are gradual.
01:16:51.000 -- They are not zero to 100.
01:16:51.000 -- They are incremental steps.
01:16:58.000 -- We have seen big jumps and EVs, for example, now about 25% of new passenger vehicle sales are EVs.
01:16:58.000 -- And Washington has among the highest share of zero mission medium and heavy duty vehicle adoption.
01:17:09.000 -- So I would just ask you with great respect to the prime sponsor to please throw some cold soup on this bill.
01:17:09.000 -- Thank you.
01:17:17.000 -- Hi, thank you.
01:17:17.000 -- Chair, should make a member of the committee on Kate white tutor testifying in opposition for the natural resources defense council.
01:17:25.000 -- But I would also like to add a note of joy as an EV driver for six and a half years now.
01:17:25.000 -- It's great.
01:17:25.000 -- My teenage son doesn't want to drive the other car.
01:17:34.000 -- We've taken it on multi state road trips.
01:17:34.000 -- I've driven it through a flowing stream on dirt roads and it's been good for everything.
01:17:42.000 -- And it's cheap.
01:17:42.000 -- It's like driving on dollar a gallon gas and the price doesn't depend on our trade relationships with oil producing countries because we make our electricity here at home.
01:17:51.000 -- Please check out the NRDC report cleaner cars, fatter wallets.
01:17:56.000 -- The savings are even better when you measure over the lifetime of an EV.
01:17:56.000 -- That's why fleets like Amazon are electrifying their trucks.
01:18:02.000 -- They're saving millions on their fuel costs and maintenance costs.
01:18:02.000 -- And I talked to a driver delivered a package to be recently.
01:18:09.000 -- She says she loves the truck.
01:18:09.000 -- It makes her job easier and it's safer and it smells better.
01:18:09.000 -- Thank you.
01:18:14.000 -- Thank you.
01:18:15.000 -- Thank you.
01:18:16.000 -- Mia, ILM Marshall, I think you're in remote.
01:18:16.000 -- Can you hear me? Yeah.
01:18:20.000 -- Yeah.
01:18:21.000 -- You all hear me? Yes, go ahead.
01:18:23.000 -- Hello, Grand Church.
01:18:23.000 -- You make members of the community.
01:18:25.000 -- Mia, you all.
01:18:26.000 -- As I really heard, I represent the Duamish River Community Coalition and organizations seeking to elevate the voices of community members in South Seattle's Duamish Valley, who live in the middle of the Seattle to come up right corridor, including two state highways, one interstate highway and the Port of Seattle and North West Seattle.
01:18:41.000 -- I spoke earlier today about how to improve impacts.
01:18:41.000 -- And this is just one area where my community needs protection and protected policy, not a repeal.
01:18:48.000 -- Therefore, I am here today in strong opposition to Senate Bill 1591, reducing harmful pollutants like diesel part to heal matter and nitrogen oxide from trucks and cars is a necessary step to improve Washington's air quality, especially for communities like mine, to experience this proportion of health impacts from exposure to these air pollutants.
01:19:05.000 -- And in the state of New York City, we have a high rate of childhood asthma hospitalizations and a life expectancy difference that is eight years shorter than the rest of King County.
01:19:13.000 -- I urge you to protect the Clean Vehicles Program and stand with environmental justice communities like mine by voting no.
01:19:13.000 -- Thank you for the opportunity to testify.
01:19:21.000 -- Vice.
01:19:21.000 -- Thank you so much.
01:19:23.000 -- Rebecca Faust, and then while we're doing that, what did we have Joel Creswell and Travis Delson come on up.
01:19:31.000 -- And then we'll get everyone through here.
01:19:34.000 -- Rebecca.
01:19:36.000 -- Yes.
01:19:36.000 -- Thank you.
01:19:36.000 -- My name is Rebecca Faust.
01:19:36.000 -- Good afternoon, but I'm chair members of the committee.
01:19:36.000 -- Thank you for hearing this wonderful bill.
01:19:36.000 -- I'm here in support.
01:19:46.000 -- I have some concerns about being linked to California.
01:19:46.000 -- A lot of concerns, but I'll head on just a few.
01:19:53.000 -- One cost of groceries and other household items.
01:19:53.000 -- I'm concerned about if you increase the cost of shipping, it increased the cost of those items.
01:20:02.000 -- I also depend on having items either shipped to me or being able to use public transportation, which is usually big vehicles to go places because I don't drive.
01:20:12.000 -- I'm not sure if I can understand that some homeless people I live in an apartment, but some people depend on our fees, which are fairly large vehicle as homes, so I'm concerned about what the disproportionate impact this will have on some of the most vulnerable communities.
01:20:28.000 -- Thank you.
01:20:28.000 -- Thank you so much.
01:20:28.000 -- Go ahead, Joel.
01:20:28.000 -- And while we're waiting.
01:20:28.000 -- Well, you're when we have Morgan Irwin come on up.
01:20:28.000 -- You'll be our final testifier, Morgan.
01:20:37.000 -- Thanks so much.
01:20:37.000 -- Good afternoon.
01:20:37.000 -- Chair Schumake, Senator Bankey, members of the committee.
01:20:37.000 -- Joel Creswell, climate pollution reduction program manager at the Department of Ecology here to testify in opposition to SB 5091.
01:20:47.000 -- Under the federal clean air act states have the option to either follow federal motor vehicle emission standards or California standards, which are more stringent.
01:20:55.000 -- Washington is one of about 17 states that have adopted California standards.
01:20:55.000 -- The standard to notice our clean vehicles program.
01:21:02.000 -- We already reduced air pollutants and greenhouse gas emissions from Washington's transportation sector.
01:21:02.000 -- Our adoption of zero emission vehicles will reduce 8 million metric tons by 2030 per year by 2030 compared to 2021.
01:21:14.000 -- And although the standards only start taking effect this year, automakers and truck manufacturers have been increasing their offerings of clean engines and zero mission vehicles over the last several years.
01:21:23.000 -- SB 5091 would repeal our mandate to adopt California standards and would shift us to less stringent federal standards.
01:21:23.000 -- This would make it extremely difficult if not impossible to meet our statutory green huskast reduction mandates and would also likely result in a reduction in the vehicle models available to Washington consumers.
01:21:23.000 -- Thank you very much.
01:21:41.000 -- So, offside.
01:21:47.000 -- Can you reach out to them? Yeah, go ahead Travis.
01:21:50.000 -- Good morning, chair.
01:21:51.000 -- If you make vice chair, slider ranking member, Benkey and members of the committee.
01:21:51.000 -- Thank you for the opportunity to testify on this bill today.
01:21:51.000 -- My name is Travis Nelson, the Washington PUD Association signed in today as other on Senate bill 5091.
01:22:03.000 -- The Washington PUD Association represents 27 not for profit community.
01:22:08.000 -- The utilities across the state this bill would address one of our main concerns for our utilities that rely on the utility service vehicles with diesel engines to restore and maintain essential utility services.
01:22:20.000 -- These are the bucket trucks, factor trucks and auger trucks you see in their communities.
01:22:24.000 -- Bottom line is that these vehicles in current technology do not meet the needs of the utility service vehicle.
01:22:24.000 -- They actually don't last long enough on site.
01:22:31.000 -- Some of the crews have to stay on site for days.
01:22:31.000 -- And they actually use these vehicles for shelter from the cold and from the heat.
01:22:38.000 -- So, I'm signed in as other to provide additional information.
01:22:38.000 -- We provided a letter to Department of Ecology on this information and we'd be happy to share that with the committee.
01:22:38.000 -- Thank you.
01:22:47.000 -- Thank you.
01:22:47.000 -- Hi, Morgan.
01:22:47.000 -- Come on up.
01:22:50.000 -- Okay.
01:22:55.000 -- Thank you, Morgan, I'm representing Association Washington business and we are signed in pro just a couple of quick things on this.
01:22:55.000 -- This doesn't affect passenger vehicles.
01:23:03.000 -- This is about our heavy trucks, our class seven class eight, the big heavy vehicles you see out there when we see fleets like Amazon trying to modernize their fleets and take advantage of the new technologies coming out.
01:23:13.000 -- They're doing that, but they're doing that in the light duty, not in the heavy duty, which is what we're talking about today.
01:23:18.000 -- We thank you very much for having us hearing today, having the chance to hear from industry experts really from both sides and we look forward to working collaboratively with all sides to try to move forward and find a solution that works for Washington state and does in cripple us by taking away an existing technology before the next one's ready.
01:23:18.000 -- Thank you.
01:23:35.000 -- Thank you so much, Madam Chair, that's final testifier, pro 1846 who chose that test five, cons 665 other five.
01:23:42.000 -- That closes the public hearing for 1591 and adjourns our meeting of the meeting is adjourned.