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Transcriptions are reference, search and assistive in nature only and are NOT an official transcript of this video 00:00:00.000 -- So, good morning everyone, thank you for joining the Commercial Aviation Work Group meeting. 00:00:06.919 -- Work group members and members of the public, please be sure to sign in on the appropriate signage sheets. 00:00:11.919 -- There's one sheet for members, and another for the Public. 00:00:15.279 -- For members that are public in person, things remain seated and silent throughout the meeting and silence your vote. 00:00:20.280 -- There will be an opportunity for public comment from 2pm to 2.30pm, that I will ultimately Work remembers, please speak clearly and loudly throughout the meeting so those in-person and online scenarios. 00:00:35.719 -- For the public online, please keep your microphone and video hot throughout your meeting. 00:00:39.719 -- Let's do a call on during public comment. 00:00:42.719 -- Private meetings can't come with any challenges, so I do appreciate everyone's cooperation and push up that any technical difficulties arise. 00:00:53.520 -- Please note your video on it right in front of you unless we're speaking during the meeting. 00:00:57.520 -- If you have comments or questions during a meeting, we can speak freely during meeting or use the handbrake button. 00:01:03.520 -- And I have a reminder, members, that those will be muted on them for call-on during public comments. 00:01:07.519 -- It would start real on the view to speak. 00:01:09.519 -- Otherwise, please be respectful during my meeting and for those in person, the emergency exit is located in the front and the back of the room. 00:01:17.519 -- But then we came inside and face with that. 00:01:19.519 -- Now I'll pass this ad. 00:01:21.599 -- All right, good morning everybody. 00:01:23.599 -- I'm Murphy and chair of the participation group. 00:01:27.599 -- And first, since we're at the meeting, we've got multiple members attending online, but we cannot see the member in the room, cannot to the members who are attending the line. 00:01:43.598 -- So I want to encourage you if you want to speak to either just speak up Raise a hand, I think Christina could see both tapping online. 00:01:51.390 -- So usually we can see them being online both if you can But I want to make sure as we call being worried we have a quorum, so let's go around to do introduction. 00:02:05.311 -- Recording in progress And then we'll make, sure we had a Quorum so it says start to my last Okay, does this work? Yes. 00:02:18.048 -- Hi, I'm Rob. 00:02:18.048 -- I was going to the airport guard. 00:02:18.048 -- Do you have a marriage or no? I am Buck Taft, the director from the Tri-Cities Airport in Pasco, Washington, and I made up the regional transportation manager at the act of valium balance, the government's where the MPOR, TPO, or the Act of the County Green, and not fully appointed. 00:02:39.728 -- All right, good morning. 00:02:48.687 -- Good morning. 00:02:48.687 -- And then online you can choose folks. 00:02:48.687 -- I guess I'll call on you people I know they're there and you'll see if anyone else has that. 00:02:57.927 -- So Mr. 00:02:57.927 -- Donum. 00:02:57.927 -- Ms. 00:02:57.927 -- Donovan, citizens representing Western Washington. 00:03:03.967 -- All right, Lee. 00:03:03.967 -- Good Morning, Ali Lee, citizen representative. 00:03:15.407 -- Good morning, Maria Batiola, Statewide Environmental Organization representative for front and center. 00:03:23.008 -- Yeah, Mr. 00:03:23.008 -- Reardon. 00:03:23.008 -- Yeah. 00:03:23.008 -- Charlie Reardin, good morning everybody. 00:03:23.008 -- Uh, uh, can't Washington. 00:03:29.966 -- Right. 00:03:29.966 -- And so we have, is there anybody else online? Uh I didn't call on that, under our new policy for that members who can use serve, even after their point in terms expired and less tell their replace from your point. 00:03:55.639 -- I recognize that we have seven voting members in attendance, three in person and four online, and that's four on the Mar-a-13 current member. 00:04:08.520 -- Just bear it. 00:04:14.032 -- agenda. 00:04:14.032 -- I want to review the agenda quickly from 10-3. 00:04:14.032 -- Actually, I understand Mayor Union There you go in the front, please. 00:04:42.887 -- Go ahead and sit, sit down. 00:04:44.367 -- The hallows. 00:04:45.367 -- Yeah. 00:04:46.367 -- Yeah, yeah. 00:04:47.367 -- Let's keep working. 00:04:48.367 -- Good morning, everyone, glad to have you here in the City of Union Gap and welcome to our City Hall and campus. 00:05:03.327 -- City hall can take our executive side and also the police department, our Library and Senior Center just opened a year ago and the fire department is right across the street So we have things pretty much contained in in one area that I Always hated to have the police department or a fire Department off someplace else You lose track of who's doing what nobody knows each other So, we're glad we got this thing built this worked out great again. 00:05:30.495 -- We're going to happy you We're interested in the airport, we're working on our beltway to get freight access better from the lower value, et cetera, into the air port. 00:05:46.803 -- So we look at ourselves as a partner with the Airport, and we have a thank you for being here. 00:05:53.283 -- I'll let you get on to your meeting. 00:05:54.283 -- Well, thank your very much for having us in that facility. 00:05:57.283 -- It's like a great bargain. 00:05:59.283 -- You need to find somewhere where we can have people, citizens, family members, if you're Great. 00:06:06.208 -- So thank you. 00:06:06.208 -- Yeah, we don't allow citizens. 00:06:06.208 -- Thank you for being here. 00:06:06.208 -- Thanks. 00:06:15.648 -- All right, so today's agenda. 00:06:15.648 -- We have the first half an hour for our housekeeping work to do that. 00:06:21.247 -- From 10.30 to 11. 00:06:26.687 -- We had since the last meeting with CDU RQs for consultants to have to work with the workgroup, we need to appoint a committee to review those and to interview the submissions. 00:06:43.536 -- So we'll do that and vlog your time. 00:06:43.536 -- From 11 to 11.30, we have an end to discuss our work group and report. 00:06:51.855 -- In the circulated agenda, regarding JBL and this joint use airport, obviously that's where we have that discussion in two minutes. 00:07:10.495 -- But what I actually have proposed is that we roll that discussion forward to the two around two 30 block per set next meeting that general gets to talk about topics that at future meetings together and this one kind of sets aside the separate block of time and we should probably add We decided that we had lunch, and then at 1230, we have a presentation for Mr. 00:07:34.639 -- Hollismann on the Akron airport and distributed air service from 1.32, which is the work, the group is going to up then on gas-to-rail service and also the fees for gas and the rail, We have public comment from two to two thirties, and then as I mentioned, we have a discussion of our next being topics and and, uh, and the, um, from three to four, uh. 00:08:13.319 -- It's going to be a similar side to where we're at. 00:08:15.319 -- There for capital. 00:08:17.319 -- So. 00:08:19.319 -- Yeah. 00:08:23.319 -- Yeah, so just to comment, uh... Just to mention there's. 00:08:28.336 -- Coffee tea over here courtesy of the city of New York is also going us over there. 00:08:28.336 -- So Don't feel that about helping yourself because I don't want to have to take a moment. 00:08:34.495 -- Okay. 00:08:34.495 -- Thank you At this point to be the point too mentioned as well as do these meeting members of work group are serving in Essentially citizen members of our presentings of individual group depending on what seat they're going to and use expressed by them are attributable to their employers and other capacity And you're on the you provide by TV on All right, as I mentioned does The next item in the, this part of the agenda is the status of appointments and non-goating member invitations. 00:09:26.559 -- As I mentioned, we not under the new policy, 13 participating members. 00:09:34.080 -- I don't believe we have anyone really appointed who is here today. 00:09:42.080 -- I went and looked at the list this morning on the state's website and I had seen any games that So, as far as non-voting for certifications, I don't think we have to get something out of your career. 00:09:59.783 -- I think, we probably shouldn't think about asking some more non voting members. 00:10:05.783 -- The legislation requires that we do so. 00:10:08.783 -- I, think I think when we invited someone for heavy position, but some folks did not respond, and there was someone that actually declined, and some accepted. 00:10:20.703 -- is that you're understanding Cristian? Yeah, so we probably should follow up with those big and disagreeing positions and figure out whether to invite a specific individual or contact those of organizations and ask them to nominate someone from their organization because at least that I could recommend because I just don't know them. 00:10:54.831 -- So, but we could send an invitation specifically to certain organizations and ask them to come to this time. 00:11:03.672 -- So many follow-up on between now and our next meeting up there. 00:11:08.991 -- Great. 00:11:10.631 -- Anyone on my own thoughts about that? The last meeting discussed the charter amendments, that language was plugged into our distinct charter between the last meetings and now. 00:11:41.895 -- The language added, the language that's been added discusses the new bill this year, and also rights into the charter or the new servant killing or replace the resigned language. 00:11:58.587 -- It's all right. 00:11:58.587 -- Did everyone have a chance to review the new charter? Yeah, I've dated charter for getting language in it. 00:12:07.107 -- You can see Yes, I posted your draft on Google Docs, so everybody can go online and actually insert their suggested comments and then we're going to consolidate the panels. 00:12:32.943 -- Right, you posted the draft also of that proposed annual report as well as the charter. 00:12:48.207 -- Anybody further discussion at the updated charter language? Do I have the motion to approve the proposed charter language updated as of today's page? Rich Mueller moves. 00:13:06.207 -- Second. 00:13:07.207 -- Second? All in favor of adopting the after the charter language, say hi. 00:13:13.207 -- Hi. 00:13:14.207 -- Post. 00:13:18.192 -- If you're not in the motion to unanimously and you'll publish that video turn on what Okay We received a S group on invitation to dinner with the act mobile conference governments this evening It's very often high-high, of course, and perspective compliance, I can be back to Seattle about this evening, but hopefully, I don't know if you want to speak to that a little further, or hopefully you've received some RCPs. 00:14:01.152 -- Um, yeah. 00:14:02.152 -- Again, now we have that on the regional transportation ministry, I'd like all of the governments below us in the room and watching on TVW. 00:14:12.152 -- We are the Metropolitan Interval. 00:14:14.991 -- regional planning organization for the Yakman County area. 00:14:14.991 -- We provide technical planning and financial administrative assistance to our county and 14 cities and towns in Yakmen County. 00:14:32.192 -- General membership tonight is our annual legislative update. 00:14:32.192 -- So we'll be having representatives from a new house and we do anticipate the Senate ranking member, the Senator Curtis King, to also being available so any medical still might be in town tonight. 00:14:56.264 -- It is in the Grandview for tonight's dinner and meeting event. 00:15:01.264 -- And if you're interested, we still ask lots of anybody who would like to attend that. 00:15:13.200 -- A few seconds, Yakima is a region in transition. 00:15:20.200 -- Back in the early 80s, we were losing passenger rail and lost complete service in October of 81. 00:15:32.200 -- I have not had that benefit as means of advance. 00:15:36.864 -- for the public since over the last couple of years. 00:15:36.864 -- Gary and I both participated in the federal rail administration's railroad administration for or process that they're doing around the country to look at bringing passenger right back to rural America and the route that goes through Giacma and Allen Spurgeon onto Auburn is one of 15 identified nationwide for further planning and coordination. 00:16:12.991 -- We're also expanding our trail systems transit. 00:16:18.491 -- We are going through significant reviews on that and have been a significant supporter of the DOT's efforts along. 00:16:32.080 -- general public and great movement. 00:16:32.080 -- So we are in a, in a constant look at trying to be a bigger piece of the state system. 00:16:41.860 -- That includes our support of anything that improves the movement of transportation and our stage, our breach is of course. 00:16:54.100 -- So basic orders of, the, of the force, as we we've received a vast majority of our state or our regionals income through a movement both nationally and internationally. 00:17:08.175 -- So the ability to move goods, services around the country, around the world is more and more imperative to have good aviation service as well. 00:17:29.296 -- And I hope that we continue to be a positive resource for not only Central Washington in aviation, but supporting the state of the world. 00:17:41.296 -- Thank you very much. 00:17:56.016 -- We should turn to the RQ process. 00:18:04.016 -- What I have actually got the, so Anne Richard couldn't be here today. 00:18:10.016 -- But set the self group summary of kind of what she needs the group to decide. 00:18:25.455 -- with consultants who submitted our responses to our RQ. 00:18:33.455 -- I don't know how many have been received. 00:18:35.915 -- So, when we're asking for volunteers to review them on a very short timeline, I'll help them. 00:18:45.576 -- I do not know exactly what I'm asking. 00:18:49.996 -- So the process is that WASHAD's contact office has received proposals and is ready to send them to a review committee. 00:19:02.511 -- The review community needs to be either two or four names of Workgroup members that could be out of voting or non-voting members. 00:19:15.352 -- Those members of the proposal review Committee will get the proposals, rating forms, and proposal view information. 00:19:25.839 -- Promptly from watch that If members may ask to follow the guidance provided and you can score proposals independently The proposal review committee must Put the reviews and return the rating forms directly to you. 00:19:40.920 -- I got the point of contact No later than next Thursday 25th We have to keep this all on By the contract, to be able to make it a very strong point. 00:19:59.895 -- The answer should be available if there are questions about the reading process over next week. 00:20:09.375 -- Once Washington has reviewed the rating forms, they'll vary the shortlist. 00:20:13.715 -- Be back at that point and we'll schedule interviews with shortlisted firms. 00:20:24.960 -- for it to be a different group of people. 00:20:29.220 -- Saying they either two or four names, either going to their ongoing members from the work group. 00:20:36.660 -- The interviews will be on teams, by club teams video conference on Monday, October 6th. 00:20:47.215 -- After interviews are completed, interview committee members have to complete their great importance to submit them to watch that contract office and watch out will Get contracted with the firm selected as a result in this process. 00:21:05.016 -- The hope is that we have a contract place to be able to introduce the new consultant at the November meeting. 00:21:11.976 -- You don't have specific data for their number being yet, although the policies of their members are too. 00:21:15.895 -- It's possible. 00:21:17.119 -- The idea is pretty much to have this process included within Office of Education staff. 00:21:24.119 -- So any questions about all of that and we're volunteering? Mr. 00:21:31.119 -- Chairman, Charlie Reardon here. 00:21:34.119 -- Did I hear you say that you don't know how many firms submitted? Is that correct? It would be useful to know if the people who are signing up or signing have to read two proposals or can Sure time. 00:21:49.819 -- That's right. 00:21:51.500 -- That was that was my that's my basis. 00:21:51.500 -- My next question was so yeah, you know, my next Thursday How many how many do we have two review and I suspect? How kind of fact of the size they're gonna be linked the proposals to go through and anyway? I just want to throw that out there For my perspective, I'd like to volunteer on the first review, but not on the personal interviews, like I'm on vacation that week. 00:22:14.079 -- Thank you. 00:22:20.400 -- Fair enough for us, Don. 00:22:20.400 -- I don't know this, but I believe I heard there were three. 00:22:23.359 -- Don't hold me to that, but that was my understanding that three had responded, and... Since I have probably viewed more of these things in my life than most people ever want to, I'd be happy to serve as one of your members for either of those meetings, but on both. 00:22:50.096 -- And I would be Happy to volunteer for the interview, but not the review. 00:22:55.935 -- And all take the other half, I can really review, but I don't be out of town for dinner. 00:23:03.200 -- I'm willing to volunteer for the interviews. 00:23:03.200 -- Marie Vattiola. 00:23:10.079 -- Interviews on the 6th of October. 00:23:10.079 -- Yes. 00:23:18.799 -- Where does that lead us for volunteers? And I hope we're okay. 00:23:18.799 -- I mean, do we need, um, we, uh, this lead, and do you want to, for a circle of room room here? Thanks. 00:24:05.968 -- So that actually, people who haven't spoken yet, we haven here, for the initial reading, proposal review committee, get the rear of this reviewer in this late. 00:24:32.248 -- And then I would be interviewed with me on October 6th, I can ask, is that YOLA and this lady having not heard from anyone else in the room here? Mr. 00:24:49.776 -- Chair, I'd be happy to volunteer for both of them. 00:24:54.976 -- The idea here was that And is going to be on both committees either whether we have one major toothpaste She was going beyond there. 00:25:03.087 -- So the reason for us nominating to work for was it so there would be an odd number Right, why we need to have an outcome right? No, I am question The ranked system so the odds of everyone voting exactly the same for everyone is right probably not I have to say a question is you It's a sports system. 00:25:29.743 -- We're not a yes, no, yes. 00:25:29.743 -- No, there's no really tired member Anyone who Anyone know the answer to that we have more interest than spots I mean, I'm happy to fall off and give it to someone else. 00:25:44.943 -- I think if you wanted for we had more Yeah, if don't if I can find that Yes, you know, we do either two or four depending on how you ultimately want to score each second section of it. 00:26:05.528 -- It doesn't matter the number. 00:26:07.528 -- We have done our own consulting and we've had people or even the nods. 00:26:13.528 -- And if you take a weighted average of how the scores I'll turn out and then. 00:26:25.056 -- you maybe have a conversation amongst those for scoring as to maybe those two that are tied, which you would then have in the census. 00:26:36.296 -- And they can even be tied during the worst phase because then you go to the second phase. 00:26:40.855 -- So the odds are just having too tight. 00:26:43.135 -- I mean, it just works out at the end. 00:26:46.536 -- And the first phase is just a short list and I, or. 00:26:52.991 -- My perspective, I think that it's better that if anybody wants to volunteer, it gives us an opportunity as members to see what the consultant actually looks like from my first hand. 00:27:06.991 -- And then the last thing is it would have been nice to have our laws that contract people here to explain this exactly how this works if we have questions about it. 00:27:21.263 -- Just if they come back and say you have to have an even number fully occupied. 00:27:21.263 -- Yeah, then I thought it. 00:27:21.263 -- Okay Okay That sounds like it sounds a gay solution Looks like you're kind of a lot of trouble. 00:27:33.844 -- Oh, okay, so just add that there are fall chair to step back if Yeah if we're required to add No more than four and since they're not boring. 00:27:46.016 -- I'll check it out for you interest. 00:27:52.615 -- I will I Find out what the group decides Okay, so is there So I have Mr. 00:28:07.855 -- Ridden Sir gosh This is written, Mr. 00:28:15.951 -- Dunham, and this is the proposal reviewed to me. 00:28:45.551 -- Mr. 00:28:45.551 -- Tap, it's Matt Yola, this lady, and this is to work on the October 6th interview period. 00:28:55.551 -- Do I have a motion to adopt those two slates as our committees? Don't move. 00:29:04.551 -- I'm long here, but also to be eliminated from either one of both to make the numbers to work out of that. 00:29:09.551 -- I don't care. 00:29:14.096 -- Okay, so we had a motion to approve? For the seconds. 00:29:18.096 -- Okay. 00:29:18.096 -- Second. 00:29:18.096 -- It's Mueller all in favor. 00:29:18.096 -- All right. 00:29:18.096 -- Thank you. 00:29:24.096 -- Post. 00:29:26.096 -- All, right, so, we will forward those. 00:29:32.096 -- I will form those names too. 00:29:34.096 -- And you'll forward into the contracts office to wash out. 00:29:43.311 -- Okay, we'll go to the next. 00:29:43.311 -- I wanted to take the opportunity to introduce the mayor of Yakma Bishop Iyer. 00:29:43.311 -- So Yakmo, ZV YakMolens, the YakMA report. 00:29:54.311 -- So she was able to come today this time. 00:29:58.311 -- First of all, welcome. 00:29:58.311 -- Thank you. 00:30:11.599 -- We're going to hand it together. 00:30:13.599 -- You're fine. 00:30:15.599 -- Questions, sir? Yes. 00:30:17.599 -- Just for the equal opportunity, I didn't know if the Mary either one was just sharing anything with us or not, but we wanted to give you the opportunity. 00:30:25.599 -- I'm fine, thank you. 00:30:27.599 -- Just because I was on side fishing. 00:30:29.599 -- Hopefully you have. 00:30:31.599 -- Thanks. 00:30:32.599 -- Um. 00:30:33.599 -- All right. 00:30:36.880 -- We have a deadline to adopt an annual report. 00:30:39.960 -- The legislature, the deadline's washout has an internal deadline, his staff report from us that have presented for legislation, and that internal deadlines, here's that as October 1st. 00:30:55.400 -- So having learned that, I want to add and draft it based on last year's summary. 00:31:02.839 -- I mean, say annual reports. 00:31:05.968 -- circulated it first draft at every point in the time. 00:31:09.147 -- Yes, yesterday morning, first thing. 00:31:11.807 -- It's only got a page and a paragraph summarizing what we've accomplished this year, so we're just speed up the process of reducing it in more poor and trying to get it out of time, obviously we'd prefer to have an everyone's hand sooner. 00:31:33.935 -- Just to work with that, I want our shared page, our share down, Google Drive, if they've been a couple of edits to propose by Spadiolas, the word has any business, but everyone had a chance to look at the draft, and I've not seen the edits, okay, same, is it possible to pull those up on the screen to discuss? I don't know if I'm pulling them up on screen, I can share on a screen. 00:32:09.983 -- Okay, great. 00:32:11.983 -- People ought to see it. 00:32:14.983 -- Hang on. 00:32:19.983 -- I think we have some. 00:32:32.816 -- Private discussions about that, of course. 00:32:41.536 -- Anybody see my screen here? I've got to add it though. 00:32:45.695 -- Yeah, good. 00:32:47.056 -- Oh, okay, there it is. 00:32:50.895 -- So the only comments, there weren't many just an original comment that helped people else who wants to, as everybody read the initial draft, So, ever the, I'll say, as we're looking at the screen here, everything in black is what I wrote, and then the enclosed edits are in, all right, then you slow down on the changes for each of your Do you have a margin? Pardon? Thank you and margin. 00:33:34.407 -- We have to explore. 00:33:35.407 -- Let me see. 00:33:36.407 -- Okay. 00:33:37.407 -- Yeah. 00:33:38.407 -- It's okay. 00:34:23.280 -- And I think that's where it's at. 00:34:27.280 -- OK. 00:34:28.280 -- Thanks. 00:35:18.032 -- Yes, so make that one funny. 00:35:18.032 -- There is a lot of sugar that I used to share with you. 00:35:47.440 -- Can you read that a little bit there now? I guess you can grab the bullet up a bit more than too much. 00:35:54.440 -- You can't see what happens here. 00:35:57.440 -- I don't even know if it's off the stand. 00:35:59.440 -- Oh, good. 00:35:59.440 -- Thank you. 00:36:02.440 -- Please, I can see that. 00:36:05.440 -- On the ass. 00:36:07.440 -- It's like this. 00:36:09.440 -- I never thought. 00:36:19.119 -- Thank you very much. 00:36:22.119 -- Okay. 00:36:23.119 -- Let's play this down. 00:36:32.119 -- Oh, that probably helps with folks in the room. 00:36:36.119 -- We turn the lights down a little bit. 00:36:38.119 -- I did, but the topic that I got wrong, it changes its mind, it comes back. 00:36:44.119 -- It's a smart panel, so it's part of the money. 00:36:48.032 -- I'm sorry, I have to talk around. 00:36:55.032 -- Well, we're getting the light suggested, I'll say there's a lot more language in ESFP 5161. 00:37:08.032 -- This is kind of really based on the first paragraph. 00:37:14.335 -- of the section from 5161 section 213 that they're fine. 00:37:22.576 -- I use the word fine, but also say focus is a mission of your work group. 00:37:31.456 -- And I think we should probably publish that excerpt of its SB 5160, It's a 20.3 statute that creates a work group and then it's an actual portion of it was vetoed. 00:37:48.784 -- So, the legislature clearly wants specific findings. 00:37:52.704 -- They're in section 213. 00:37:52.704 -- We've got an appropriation of $1.7 million in higher consultant that kind of worked with those findings and I should probably publish that Tell the legislature what they told us that you know what it is. 00:38:22.199 -- You can comment in the back. 00:38:23.199 -- Yes. 00:38:24.199 -- Sure. 00:38:25.199 -- Go on down. 00:38:26.199 -- Yeah. 00:38:27.199 -- Okay. 00:38:28.199 -- So I'd summarize the meetings. 00:38:30.199 -- And this is where we had some, um, uh, you got Josh's name. 00:38:43.664 -- I know it's not hard to see how he was going to do it. 00:38:50.664 -- Yeah. 00:38:51.664 -- He's going right next to each other actually. 00:38:56.664 -- That's good stuff. 00:39:01.664 -- Well, I got right. 00:39:10.639 -- That's the correct feeling is that they don't receive why. 00:39:14.639 -- M-A-R-C-Y. 00:39:15.639 -- You got them. 00:39:16.639 -- We're both wrong. 00:39:18.639 -- It's so wrong to get 13. 00:39:21.639 -- Okay. 00:39:24.639 -- Let's go down a little. 00:39:39.056 -- We're going to correct spelling and geographic and add the worst group also to show that it's a good way to come with that. 00:39:50.056 -- Otherwise, fine for you. 00:39:50.056 -- Thanks for. 00:39:53.056 -- After the discussion. 00:39:57.056 -- Welcome. 00:40:22.000 -- All right then. 00:40:22.000 -- Bye. 00:40:22.000 -- Yes. 00:40:52.880 -- Sand down here. 00:40:52.880 -- Yeah Does anyone else have any propose that as to this section of the end or report? Should we spill out what heel lands here Right. 00:41:22.543 -- Yeah. 00:41:24.543 -- Yeah, the healthy. 00:41:28.543 -- Maria, can you help us hear what the O stands for? Um, healthy environment for all. 00:42:13.807 -- And then I summarized what I basically generally were going to do today. 00:42:20.807 -- And I have a TPD for November. 00:42:28.807 -- Scroll down to the next section. 00:42:30.807 -- For provisions. 00:42:32.807 -- Well, just need to add it in. 00:42:43.472 -- Yeah, either he was fine Turn extra Okay. 00:43:13.456 -- Besides, you spelled out the heel, but in my parentheses after, after you write type heel. 00:43:21.715 -- You know, healthy environment for all act. 00:43:21.715 -- Yeah. 00:43:30.016 -- Okay, all right. 00:43:30.016 -- So at the chair, this is Maria. 00:43:42.735 -- The last phrase, the budget provider does not identify, it requires us to identify how to impact geographic areas. 00:43:55.775 -- In other words, if the provider doesn't do the work, we have to do work. 00:44:13.103 -- Yeah, yeah Okay, so GCP so requires Yeah Budget provides a which requires the Nothing worse than having people watch you tight pressure Actually on the internet, so it's there's some latency here Okay, let's slow down healthy environment for not or Go back to heel act please tell the environment Go go up one line. 00:45:43.088 -- He's got a light and a latent delay between hitting a key and what you see So it doesn't react as fast as you can see it So you'll get it. 00:45:56.347 -- You'll go get there Well, you guys are there you. 00:45:59.588 -- Can you better track it? Yes Apologies I'm forgetting representative vice first name So at the top of the next page, I propose that we make the interim recommendation sort of timely, and that is, you know, I didn't want to get in the weeds of planning or trying to prescribe a solution. 00:47:28.463 -- I wanted to keep a pretty high level, try to find language that I thought everybody could agree on. 00:47:36.063 -- All right, all right. 00:47:45.744 -- So we heard the presentation from a pale field, I had the first presentation, from San Trans locations for stations that are near the terminal. 00:48:01.496 -- They anticipate that all of them would acquire shellless, and my point is similar to that we should prioritize people who are willing to walk at the program. 00:48:14.496 -- A station that it could be watched with shell loss option line. 00:48:19.496 -- You know. 00:48:21.456 -- Some of us had side conversations that of, you know, a world-class airport to trim rail transit bus system with tunnel underneath the airport, put the station under the Air Force on all men. 00:48:31.255 -- We'd go down the escalator like to do with places like Frankfurt, right to the train. 00:48:39.135 -- No one anticipates doing that here. 00:48:39.135 -- Let's see. 00:48:39.135 -- I have a whole billion dollars to spare, but at least having that station at the corner of airport and the air port. 00:48:51.199 -- A core airport road and the internal access drive, where it's about a quarter mile away, as opposed to the stations that are up closer to what the volume will have. 00:49:05.159 -- Would promote radio to air transfers and promote using length to get to every as close to adding a 10 to 15 minute bus transfer between a rail station and a passenger It is the short to medium term solution and that we're not the only ones who put on that you know, I was looking back at the CCC's findings and They too anticipated that pain field would build out the kind of the maximum their master plan And would be that short-to-be in solution So spending multiple billions of dollars on the trans system we should make that dragon system work with other public investments. 00:49:58.480 -- Maybe just a word, Smithy, should have a convenient wait station, ideally within walking distance, or some water, or water. 00:50:16.280 -- Do you know what those thoughts might be going to add? Change. 00:50:23.376 -- Yeah, I feel more strongly about this than this language. 00:50:23.376 -- Actually, it reflects, but I I agree I mean as we listen to the sound transit presentation I recognize of everybody on this call was there that but It was a little surprising to me at least that We would build this light rail system and not have it come up close to terminal I mean, in my mind, even the light rail at CTAT isn't convenient. 00:50:58.360 -- It's quite a waste of a wave, particularly if people are handicapped. 00:51:03.360 -- So, I think if we really are serious about proving a loan shift, if you will, from air to rail to have a connection as close to New York or as you can get. 00:51:24.847 -- And you'll see that in my presentation this afternoon about CTAG. 00:51:29.847 -- I'm going to talk about that. 00:51:31.847 -- Business is the same idea at CTAC. 00:51:33.847 -- Well, do we strongly recommend? I mean, I don't know. 00:51:39.847 -- I know that changes anything, but if we really feel this is bad for you, maybe use a little more pointed language to say, strongly recognize it. 00:51:52.463 -- Part of the grander DOT velocity is connectivity across all modes, so yes, with regards to rail and the Air Force person. 00:52:07.463 -- I think that puts the discussed patches. 00:52:07.463 -- I mean, we also might want to touch on making sure other accessibility modes to the air force sound transit to them are also. 00:52:20.960 -- So that if you are coming on a track with us and you don't have necessarily something very close to the transition system terminal. 00:52:30.960 -- That's something to strive for as well, but I agree with the language. 00:52:34.960 -- We can also include accessibility and connectivity in the land. 00:52:48.416 -- And if you're building out what Mr. 00:52:48.416 -- Morrison described, these big bills, master plan, you are going to employ a lot more people. 00:52:58.195 -- Those people are not going drive it. 00:52:59.715 -- Pay airport rates in part. 00:53:01.016 -- We're going be taking the fuss, which currently stops at the corner of the airport access road and airport road. 00:53:11.396 -- Or they'll be changing the plan. 00:53:13.036 -- And so adding those, just like people will work to see that now. 00:53:16.447 -- So, so maybe on the last sentence, maximize the value of a public investment in connectivity and accessibility to the airport or to airports, what do we make that a nuisance instead of We want to write that and then we'll type it up. 00:54:12.047 -- The rest of the board is pretty, it's very forward. 00:54:30.672 -- what is this do again um watch that to build that line it's October 1st okay so like that okay do you think I've been waiting to say Josh was saying about for both passengers and or police Do you want me to type this part? Yeah. 00:55:03.943 -- Please. 00:55:04.943 -- Wake back. 00:55:07.943 -- Do. 00:55:08.943 -- Do, do you need a link to the judgment? Um, it's going to be. 00:55:15.943 -- I have to. 00:55:18.943 -- Okay. 00:55:19.943 -- I think my. 00:55:20.943 -- But. 00:55:22.943 -- I don't know. 00:55:23.943 -- It's how it is. 00:56:02.480 -- And then work with the suggestion I can connect to the accessibility that I could just add to that. 00:56:11.559 -- I'm just going to allow this result to be improved in the community and just pulling it out here. 00:56:22.960 -- Perfect. 00:56:24.280 -- Okay, now we'll use this and start choosing to start that final. 00:56:29.440 -- Chair. 00:56:32.496 -- This is Maria. 00:56:32.496 -- I'd like to suggest at the last sentence to include community resiliency. 00:56:37.576 -- So this room to read this results and improved connectivity accessibility. 00:56:41.755 -- There you go. 00:56:41.755 -- You got it. 00:57:02.367 -- community climate resiliency. 00:57:08.367 -- The term community resilience is just so broad. 00:57:12.527 -- I would like just, honestly, I just like community resignancy because of coverage climate and other issues that communities face. 00:57:20.168 -- Economic, for example. 00:57:22.728 -- I mean, not saying climate is wrong, I'm just right, right. 00:57:28.208 -- Resignance and coverage. 00:57:29.583 -- Presenting other yeah, and there's a clock. 00:57:29.583 -- It's not inclusive and Maria. 00:57:29.583 -- I have climate incentive for Yeah, I would like to I like that idea. 00:57:36.864 -- Let's say community climate and economic resiliency because that's one of the goals, too I could give you another five, but we say resignancy Yeah It's all that is sort of converted out of the market sub-language of just beauty, you're saying, see different communities have different means being too specific here, but it's their ability to adapt. 00:58:11.512 -- And I don't want to look at my character, you know, favorite ones over the other in order to collect some. 00:58:18.431 -- Thank you. 00:58:19.271 -- I'll accept that. 00:58:22.992 -- All right. 00:58:23.512 -- Any other thoughts here? Yeah, one more thoughts under accessibility. 00:58:25.967 -- Could it be accessibility in accordance to the ADA requirements? So I would I have to turn up that and that's just because I'm trying to keep this Simple simpler and there's a lot of technical ADA state and state federal funding would fire it again Anyway, this is our important. 00:58:53.952 -- Again, it's more inclusive as a broader statement. 00:59:00.592 -- And I do have one more question. 00:59:00.592 -- I understand that this statement is strongly recommending for pain feel, but what about other areas of sound transit as well, close to airports or any airports? We're talking multi-moldo, or are we trying to stick just with the recommendation A lot of it is focusing on what we did this year, and this is the recognition of these directly from what was studied in the two meetings earlier this year. 00:59:29.936 -- And I think as we move forward, we should think about that for other existing airports and transit. 00:59:38.976 -- And as a legislature suggests, you're also supposed to look and do airport This is who's focused on what we what we learn from our fact finding back at this year. 00:59:55.768 -- Thank you. 01:00:02.168 -- All right, so any other thoughts on that? I'm going to move down to that membership. 01:00:06.128 -- Sorry. 01:00:18.351 -- that we have a proposal to add in section here on the non-voting members, but we don't have the members of the plug-in. 01:00:27.152 -- We could just say, you know, just take out a sentence and just go with it. 01:00:47.103 -- It's okay to say, to date, invitations have been sent and we're anticipating positive response period. 01:01:02.784 -- Yeah, we can just say invitation has been said and work efforts will continue to Okay, how does that look after it's your regroup going to thinning? Yeah, I think I still can. 01:01:48.496 -- Personally, I'm kind of surprised more people don't jump up and I want to be part of this because it's a huge, what we're doing here has huge impact, you know, huge sound region particularly, as well as the entire state, but I think maybe a lot of people did not have a very good experience, first go around and don t want me to get involved. 01:02:16.847 -- But we won first, or I don't know, that's why we're here at that. 01:02:21.847 -- So, as far as the list of members, I actually went back to the state website, who's listed as a member, but I think getting there, you're correct that we've had to drop off, even though they are still formally implemented. 01:02:36.847 -- So I will delete these two. 01:02:55.664 -- should be some way of setting changes. 01:02:55.664 -- There is, um, this is a comment to incident LA, and I can just, just leave that comment in here. 01:03:19.184 -- Oh, yeah, I think when I was When I was tallying up for this paragraph, I Was counting for two if we just needed so it's actually So it should be six members of the additional boys and wait to be point while continuing to serve Yeah, six missions fair. 01:03:41.271 -- Yeah. 01:03:41.271 -- If you change that to six positions And you add that the number of signatures you have down below your equals 19 Okay, anyone else have comments, questions to get in this and if not, is there a motion to adopt, we work Smith here as our annual report. 01:04:13.880 -- So moved. 01:04:18.079 -- All right. 01:04:19.079 -- All favor. 01:04:22.271 -- The document is currently exists as the 2025 annual report. 01:04:22.271 -- Say hi. 01:04:22.271 -- Hi. 01:04:28.271 -- Post. 01:04:28.271 -- All right. 01:04:28.271 -- Bush carrots. 01:04:28.271 -- We are in time. 01:04:28.271 -- The annual report next year. 01:04:39.271 -- I also notice this as a doctor. 01:04:46.271 -- And we'll go ahead and buy this. 01:05:01.840 -- to comment on that question. 01:05:08.840 -- Okay. 01:05:13.840 -- Um, do I have to be slightly did last year? We needed to have another meeting for it. 01:05:19.840 -- But that's the report. 01:05:21.840 -- So we don't need to do that report on. 01:05:27.840 -- We're running ahead schedule. 01:05:32.112 -- We've reached the point on the agenda here where we were going talking about talking down the court I Will say I went and looked at Subsection a and section I want to look at what the cat That and they were actually the sound not because they were actually recruited by the statute and created them from investigating a joint concert for what you're allowing them to apply to much of that actually says that it's a bad spot shooting. 01:06:33.807 -- I think it's one of those subjects where we formally need to do some more back-by-date, but it is a pretty clear absence, some seed change, where this discussion is headed, notwithstanding, if there are joint figures there, reports elsewhere in the country. 01:07:00.943 -- But I think we should schedule some future briefings when I've lost I agree, I mean And Rob was on the previous Sort of you might have a little background in Boston I was in the front line what kind of work you did on that group Rob about my court and when that channel means us Well, there's actually so there is both the act. 01:07:23.623 -- He's been voted and serves Air Force, both part of the risk and the more field. 01:07:36.056 -- In addition, it is also the native English, the shouldn't be, and they also have a concern. 01:07:41.096 -- So there was quite a bit of collaborative conversation with theorists and representatives of each of those three services and pretty universal in response that it would impact. 01:07:57.423 -- military missions. 01:07:57.423 -- In addition, two of the three sites, the two sites. 01:07:57.423 -- I'm going to say those in the county were also in terms of conflict with military divisions. 01:08:04.423 -- And you may know both the Air Force and Navy have extensive military training routes to the region that also impacted the site even of various different locations. 01:08:18.423 -- So there's a pretty significant YAG, strongly opposed. 01:08:27.408 -- So I think it is worthwhile to follow the process and make sure that we have died of the eye across the team, but there was such substantial resistance and very well articulated conflict between military operations and had what was being proposed. 01:08:58.136 -- That I, I would suspect at the end of the day, we'd have to say please. 01:09:07.136 -- This is Mr. 01:09:07.136 -- Chair, this is Charlie Reardon. 01:09:10.136 -- I too, uh, I think that this needs to be part of our work that is evaluated. 01:09:20.703 -- during this process. 01:09:20.703 -- I realized, I realize what Rob just said and that was the last go at this, but to be due diligence, to do, you know, complete our due diligence and do the work that we've been tasked to do that has to included in what we look at and what from those people uh as we proceed uh over the next couple of years um you know things change congressmen's change uh general's admirals and and uh the needs of the military change too um so i think we need to document uh um that we actually had a look at it and um heard some genuine uh pieces of information for ourselves during this process. 01:10:22.935 -- So I too think that we at least need to have a go at letting them tell us about their thoughts about how that joint use military base, or it's not a joint-use military phase, but how it fits into this equation or does it fit into into the equation. 01:10:39.935 -- Thank you. 01:10:43.695 -- My my I also recommend whether it would be I don't know if the state aviation office would have the information We would need FAA But where there are existing dual-use airports and Phoenix You know the sort of back East If there is pros and cons associated with existing that may be advanced warning for us And by the way, any unforeseen costs that we would not see, where we might see savings. 01:11:16.511 -- I apologize. 01:11:17.712 -- This is Katanjali. 01:11:18.712 -- Could the people in the room get closer to the mic, please, so we could hear you online? Your mic is under all. 01:11:26.712 -- No other? Carter? Oh. 01:11:29.712 -- All right. 01:11:30.712 -- Except it. 01:11:31.712 -- Move it a little bit closer. 01:11:32.712 -- Also, welcome to this room. 01:11:36.144 -- My recommendation was that whether it's the state aviation, DOT aviation office, or we bring in somebody from FAA to discuss existing dual use airports around the country and any pros and cons, or I think many of those, please correct me if anybody can. 01:11:57.144 -- If I'm wrong, they were joined due to post-war needs. 01:12:05.456 -- city growth at the time that a after-the-fact merging of such a Strategy may not be something we're familiar with and so any Unexpected costs that we would not from an outside view and analysis realize may actually be an active option for us if we were to jump in full floor with a dual airport where you'll use there for it with the court but bringing in some patient recommendation nationwide. 01:12:41.648 -- Mr. 01:12:41.648 -- Chairman I'd like to come and also I agree with Charlie we need to listen to what they have to say I think probably how we approach this will be part of what our group that we're going to hire will outline and we'll wait and see what their recommendations are, but they will probably be part of the the decision that we make is how they handle what we need to look at. 01:13:17.712 -- Right, and right, we shouldn't lose track of where we're about to have any of that consultant, so we will help us kind of guide us through that discussion we are talking about. 01:13:33.136 -- the process that went on there when there were proposals to try to use military facilities that ultimately did go forward as I recall. 01:13:50.095 -- What happened in San Diego, a study was done, it was about a two-year study on how they some of the things that San Diego International Airport, it was looking for other sites, other possibilities. 01:14:06.287 -- After a two-year study, the one that came up was a joint use of the Navy military facility there. 01:14:13.408 -- It actually went to a vote of people of the county of San but that was the other only other option they had was something that was like 50 miles out of the city in the high desert with a five billion dollar people mover to it but it went all the way through a very long-term study and it was picked as the only reliever that made sense at that point in time and nothing has changed there. 01:14:56.815 -- That was the proposal to join use in Miramar, right? Yes. 01:15:06.815 -- So I think this is a, you know, discussion to be continued. 01:15:10.815 -- And we can pick this back up, too, in that section of the agenda later today. 01:15:15.815 -- Or if we're around. 01:15:19.815 -- We're going to talk about future meetings. 01:15:22.815 -- I should say, does anyone else have anything to add on this right now? I guess it would be a matter of how we go about scheduling this. 01:15:33.216 -- We, by our, so we were going to have a meeting in November, I'm thinking our consultant would be on board by then. 01:15:43.576 -- And we could, at least at our November meeting and task art, insulted to tell the guys deciding Give it a level on. 01:15:57.720 -- Yeah. 01:15:58.720 -- All right. 01:15:59.720 -- Well, let's have anything to discuss right now, or should we, we'll be ready for that. 01:16:14.720 -- This is Maria. 01:16:15.720 -- I recall the legislative legislation that authorized us had a very. 01:16:24.431 -- Clear statement about McCord so just reminding folks to refer to that first before we engage the consultant on this work item Yeah, as I Think did the legislature asked for our our finance and we essentially reported that we didn't have it yet And so you write it right or ties this question Yeah, my recollection was that it prohibited us from exploring that option, but I Remain fallible with my memory. 01:17:00.579 -- So asking the staff to check that please All right, well we've reached our lunch break in our agenda It will be great for lunch. 01:17:24.287 -- Hearing no opposition to that, all right, we'll take a lunch break and we're back on at 1230 for Mr. 01:17:24.287 -- Hochman. 01:17:37.287 -- Next up on our agenda. 01:17:50.416 -- I'm going to be acting on her book, so I don't think it's going on on that, but that's it. 01:17:59.416 -- All right, we've got it, thank you. 01:18:01.416 -- Slides are up. 01:18:03.416 -- Allright. 01:18:04.416 -- Good afternoon, everyone. 01:18:06.416 -- Thanks for the opportunity to present. 01:18:08.416 -- Thank you for coming to Yakima. 01:18:10.416 -- We want you to see what what it is like, not only in the Yakama area, but across central and eastern Washington. 01:18:16.416 -- We have a tremendous amount to offer here. 01:18:18.944 -- And so I'm going to tell you a little bit about Yakima. 01:18:22.003 -- Actually, I want to talk about two things. 01:18:23.503 -- First time you can get a bit of an orientation to Yakimal Air Terminal and some of the things that we're doing. 01:18:29.863 -- And then I am going shift gears and I will talk a concept that I wanted to share with you about distributed air service which has to do with leveraging advanced air mobility to help solve our looming over capacity problem at SeaTac Airport. 01:18:48.304 -- Pops, fruit, wine, and all kinds of amazing outdoor activities. 01:18:53.304 -- Sorry for laughing up 300 days, but we say that in Tristities, and there's this person in our community that writes us and says, do you know technically it's like 289? Every year, the money corrects us. 01:19:06.304 -- It's one of the amount of sunshine in the day. 01:19:09.304 -- It just makes me laugh because it is. 01:19:13.743 -- Okay, sorry, our airport was established in 1926, so next year will be our 100-year anniversary. 01:19:20.743 -- Pretty exciting we are, exciting. 01:19:22.743 -- We are part 139, commercial service airport, and we have our service currently provided by Alaska Airlines Horizon. 01:19:30.463 -- We're working on some other routes. 01:19:36.752 -- feet in length, which is adequate for 737s and some 757s. 01:19:36.752 -- Our passenger volume in 2024 was 84,000. 01:19:46.112 -- That's both in claimants and de-planements. 01:19:46.112 -- And our operations were 41, 000 take-offs and landings. 01:19:54.832 -- Our master plan really highlighted that our terminal building was a priority. 01:20:01.583 -- And so with that, we started a multi-year, multi phase series of projects to modernize the original 1950 building to meet modern today's standards, air service, both air cargo and passenger service. 01:20:20.583 -- The last bit model was done 25 years ago in 2000, and the building shows it. 01:20:27.247 -- We have roof leaks everywhere, failing HVAC, I won't read the list to you, you can read that yourself. 01:20:35.247 -- It's a pretty compelling case that this terminal modernization is well overdue. 01:20:43.247 -- The good news is as of right now, we have three projects underway for the terminal and one project for a crosswind runway. 01:20:51.648 -- to rehabilitate the process in one way. 01:20:53.448 -- So we are moving with energy to solve some of these problems. 01:20:59.488 -- This project is under construction right now. 01:21:02.488 -- And this is the before picture, which you probably can't see on the picture on right, is that there are a whole bunch of HVAC units that have been had a white X painted on them, which means they're no longer functioning. 01:21:13.608 -- They've just been abandoned in place. 01:21:15.807 -- And so year after year, after years, these systems have failed. 01:21:19.247 -- They just left them. 01:21:20.176 -- We're in the process of cleaning that all up right now and So you can see this is a construction ongoing. 01:21:24.296 -- We'll probably a couple months away from completion of this project And then it kind of lays the ground work for improvements inside obviously as long as the roof is leaking you Can't really improve a lot of the interior space Also underway is our baggage claim project, which just gave notice to proceed about a week ago. 01:21:49.627 -- This is the current situation, and I'm told from people who grew up in the community, people my age and older, that this has been here since they were located. 01:21:58.587 -- The stainless steel slide, really hard for anybody to grab their bags, especially when their stacks really high. 01:22:04.787 -- Those garage doors open in that heat or the cold from the outside comes pouring in, and the space is so small that Literally half of the D-plane passengers get occupied. 01:22:11.391 -- The baggage claim space and the other are a little bit further That kind of out of a hallway. 01:22:17.152 -- There's not enough room for everybody even to fit into the room So our baggage clean Project that would be over the next many months is going to completely transform this space It's going double its size bring in a baggage carousel and update all the finishing fixtures finishes in addition will be remodeling both of these existing restrooms and creating a family restroom, as well as a family lounge, which is kid-friendly for people with little ones who are traveling. 01:22:48.336 -- Follow-on phases next year, ticketing, baggage screening, the lobby area, and rental car space, and then in 2027, the building exterior, complete facelift of the Building Exterior internal system, so that would be the fire suppression system that The high water variety of the sewer, all those things are in many cases original, 75 years old, and have surpassed their life expectancy. 01:23:14.560 -- And then, of course, the restaurant is very near and dear to everyone who has a history in Yakima, so we're working hard to bring that back. 01:23:26.079 -- Any questions or thoughts about that before I shift gears? All right. 01:23:32.176 -- What kind of capacity for passengers do you anticipate that all the serious projects that you do? Well, you know, we're at eighty four thousand now. 01:23:38.735 -- I anticipate we can easily get to two hundred and fifty thousand a year We have some other improvements moving some gates upstairs. 01:23:46.216 -- We has to have the passenger volume to justify that And I'm going to talk to you a minute about distributed air service and leveraging electric aviation and so I'll take a deeper dive into that and talk about that a little bit That's a real game changer for everyone So distributed Air Service Oh rep 5 you've got your hand raised sir. 01:24:06.528 -- I guess I do. 01:24:06.528 -- Can you tell me about the funding for your projects? had a lot of assistance from Congress from Newhouse in particular. 01:24:21.887 -- We've also had a lotta assistance form the county through their their seed program. 01:24:31.007 -- We have a curve grant. 01:24:34.528 -- and a variety of different, I mean, it's, every project is different. 01:24:34.528 -- Like, for example, the baggage claim project that we just kicked off three different federal grants and then funding from the county as well. 01:24:44.927 -- So four funding sources is to do one project. 01:24:49.087 -- And we're keeping these, so this is like a $2.4 million project and even then, it is four different funding resources to make it work. 01:24:57.568 -- So it definitely is some creative grant writing in order to get the funding. 01:25:03.984 -- Thank you All right, so emerging technology. 01:25:05.984 -- I'm gonna first start in a kind of frame And I know this group has up in this some legislation that talks about revisiting the Puget Sound Regional Council Study I was part of the study team. 01:25:20.423 -- I am very familiar with the data. 01:25:20.423 -- This is just the kind He hit up a little bit, I think probably everybody already knows that the Puget Sound Regional Council did a study that was released in 2020 that told us we have a big problem. 01:25:32.015 -- And that big problems is that by 2050 there will be 27 passengers a year that will want to get on a plane and there won't be no seat for them. 01:25:41.015 -- And 800,000 metric tons of freight that we want a ship by air and no capacity for then to ship. 01:25:49.264 -- That's kind of what created the CAC and now what has kind of followed on this commercial aviation work group. 01:25:56.663 -- The estimates and it's hard to say exactly at what points CTAC is going to reach full capacity. 01:26:02.564 -- The most recent I heard was the aviation system plan 2032, but as I've been monitoring the employment and the air cargo volume at CTASC, they're actually growing faster. 01:26:11.764 -- It was anticipated so. 01:26:13.952 -- not sure exactly when they'll implement slot control and if you're not familiar with slot control, every airline is given a certain number of slots for their planes and what that does is kind of creates artificial constraint on supply and so therefore demand continues to go up so prices go off, certain routes will be eliminated and I'm going to talk about this a little bit later deep-planement location in the state. 01:26:42.927 -- I'd say about 80% of passengers, commercial air passengers travel through CTAC, but it's also a primary connecting hub for many communities. 01:26:49.967 -- Yakima being one of those, we have two flights a day, two and from Seattle. 01:26:58.688 -- That's our only destination. 01:27:08.079 -- Tri-Cities obviously has a few other destinations, but Buck has several flights to go to CTAC, Spokane several fights to to see TAC. 01:27:15.979 -- And so as CTAT reaches full capacity, airlines and the FAA implements lock control, airlines are going to have to choose which destinations they want to serve. 01:27:28.880 -- Airlines are for profit entities. 01:27:29.880 -- They're going choose the destinations that are the most profitable. 01:27:35.615 -- Yakima is not one of those. 01:27:35.615 -- We're a very small community compared to the volume of passengers that go through Sea-Tac to flight today. 01:27:42.815 -- It's a 76-seat airplane Well, when that's just gonna be the same wall was gonna be same and even Tri-Cities and Spokane will be affected maybe not as much but we're at right now Yakama was only sea-tac as our Connection if we were to lose that we would lose their service altogether So, the over-capacity situation that's coming at CTEC is not just the Seattle metropolitan area, it's across the state. 01:28:11.807 -- What I'm going to show you here is that I think we have a possible solution using existing airports. 01:28:20.768 -- So what is distributed air service? Well, it is based on this emerging And in the second paragraph, you can see advanced air mobility actually includes two things. 01:28:36.863 -- It includes urban air-mobility, which is primarily the air taxis, the electric vertical takeoff and landing, short distance for very, very built-up areas, and then regional air mobility,which is a primarily electric, hybrid electric. 01:28:49.503 -- It can maybe someday hydrogen, propulsion to connect community, so city to city, not in trust city in turn city. 01:29:03.456 -- So distributed air service is really kind of based on regional immobility, leveraging that connection from airport to airport. 01:29:15.136 -- So it's distributed alone and the point that I want to make here, as I kind of mentioned before, the majority of passengers, commercial air passengers go through CTEC. 01:29:24.176 -- They either in plane CTAC or they connect through C-TAC. 01:29:31.296 -- Distreatment air service takes advantage of other existing general aviation airports that we already have across the state and I have a slide I'm going to show you that. 01:29:36.655 -- And what what that does is it enables passengers to board a plane in their local community, General Aviation Airport, and bypass CTAC completely. 01:29:45.663 -- So there's a pressure relief valve for CTAG. 01:29:51.984 -- And there are many other benefits that I'll talk about in just a minute, distributed air service. 01:30:00.543 -- For example, just got one icon here that shows CTAT airport. 01:30:00.543 -- There are 11 commercial service airports in Washington State. 01:30:08.384 -- I don't want to take anything away from them. 01:30:14.608 -- But by far the majority of passengers travel through CTAC. 01:30:18.807 -- And that's what we're experiencing is that throughout Puget Sound, I lived in Pugets Sound for many, many years, you drive to CTEC. 01:30:26.368 -- No matter which community you're in, whether you are in Renton or Bremerton or Puyallup or Olympic or Tacoma or wherever you are, unless you were in Everett, you driving to C-TAC, what distributed air service proposes is we distribute that load. 01:30:44.239 -- You go to your local general aviation airport and you board your plane there and you go then to you're connecting flight. 01:30:49.359 -- Let me expand on this a little bit more. 01:30:55.279 -- In 2020, WashDock released its electric aircraft feasibility study. 01:30:55.279 -- I was part of the private team that delivered this. 01:31:01.279 -- You can see the key in the bottom left corner and it shows the icons. 01:31:07.119 -- Those 11 commercial service airports, they're the orange dots with the blue circles. 01:31:07.119 -- The study additional general aviation airports across the state that can accommodate these emerging electric airplanes. 01:31:19.423 -- And you can see the cascades right down the middle and the Olympic mountains up in the northwest, where the exception of those two land masses, the even dispersion of these airports, you couldn't have done it better if you've been deliberate. 01:31:31.104 -- This was all done on its own. 01:31:41.231 -- And we have communities across the state, so while we're primarily solving for the Seattle metropolitan high density population, the added benefit is that all these people in these remote communities have the same level of access to air service. 01:32:09.439 -- So here's Yakima in the middle, and you can see these concentric circles 100 and 200 miles, and that's because the range of these airplanes is normally 200 miles or maybe even a little bit more than that. 01:32:18.560 -- So you could see whether it's Yakama represented here or one of the other commercial service airports, there's a lot of area that can be covered. 01:32:31.600 -- With these electric airplanes with the state as it was laid out now So imagine and I'm going to talk about this in a greater detail in the minute Imagine if not only it with Yakima But let's say that when actually was also doing it and Pullman was all so doing and walla wall was Also doing imagine these concentric circles overlaying each other now you have this network So again, this is Yakama just representing all the destinations, so those are two air arrows You can see that flights go back and forth. 01:33:02.695 -- And the other thing about electric aviation is scalable. 01:33:05.735 -- It's scalable in terms of the size of an airplane, and it's scaleable in the frequency of that flight. 01:33:12.775 -- So for example, Sea Tech, last I knew, had eight cycles a day. 01:33:17.256 -- Sometimes they have nine cycles a days where planes land, passengers keep playing, passengers in plane, and planes take off, eight or nine times a date. 01:33:25.815 -- So you could see a robust community where passengers are getting on an electric plane might have up to eight or nine cycles a day, but you might have a very rural community, they might have one flight twice a week. 01:33:41.055 -- It's a small airplane, a large airplane the number of cycles in a day or in week, electric aviation is very scalable. 01:33:52.368 -- So, at Yakima, we currently have this 7,600-foot runway. 01:33:57.568 -- The orange box represents a notional 9,000-600 foot runway that will accommodate the largest planes. 01:34:06.007 -- I would say maybe not the international freighters, but anything domestic. 01:34:10.568 -- The cack work that was done earlier determined that what we're solving for is domestic transportation primarily origin destination, Seattle. 01:34:22.159 -- Seattle high density population is is the problem statement then you want to be able to meet the domestic air travel whether it's Miami or Dallas or New York Philadelphia wherever it might be and the larger planes can get you there so Well Yakima can currently accommodate all 737 said some 757 is a 323 21. 01:34:40.039 -- I'm sorry. 01:34:40.039 -- That's Airbus By it sitting the runway we can accommodate even larger planes than that. 01:34:53.600 -- And that's the same at a variety of these different airports across the state, and I have a chart that is going to explain that, so here we are. 01:35:01.760 -- There's 46,000 that are in planements. 01:35:05.359 -- We estimate we could get to 7.5 million annual passengers if we grow the airport that we have. 01:35:10.000 -- And just to give you an example of San Diego airport, I know we had a gentleman on the team Last data I pulled San Diego did 20 million annual passengers. 01:35:19.231 -- So single runway airport Single runway Airport and a 9,400 foot runway, so we're remember aspiration. 01:35:26.271 -- We're shooting for 9600 San dia goes 9400-foot runway 48 gates 633 acres Yakima. 01:35:35.952 -- we already have 825 acres aspirational 1200 and there's, you can see, and if you come in the tower, you see the amount of land that's available. 01:35:52.368 -- But San Diego does 20 million annual passengers now. 01:35:56.368 -- Is that a tight fit? Of course it is. 01:35:56.368 -- I'm not saying that Yakima could do 20-million annual passengers. 01:36:00.368 -- But let's say that you all just did five. 01:36:04.368 -- If each regional commercial service airport was able to support 5 million Annual Passengers, but what that would look like. 01:36:16.087 -- So some of the benefits of distributed air service, obviously CTAC is the problem we're solving for. 01:36:21.528 -- It relieves pressure at CTAT, takes advantage of existing airport infrastructure, and passengers bored at their local general aviation airport. 01:36:29.648 -- Look at this list of benefits that you get with leveraging infrastructure that we already have. 01:36:42.608 -- But distributed air service is distributing the load twice. 01:36:47.807 -- It's distributing in the load at the origin where you in plane and then it's also distributing the load where you make your connecting flight. 01:36:57.344 -- So you can see here all the other commercial service airports with exception to CTAC. 01:37:02.344 -- I think I got them all, maybe I missed one. 01:37:04.344 -- And they're runway links. 01:37:05.344 -- So the runway link is tied to what size of plane they can accommodate. 01:37:09.344 -- And you could see some data over there on the right that shows the Runway links required for these different single aisle narrow body domestic airliners, which is what we're solving for. 01:37:23.488 -- Some airports might have to run away a little bit too short for some of these planes, but in general, most of these airports that already exist can accommodate these 737s and A320s. 01:37:38.768 -- So here's the same map, and here is all the airports represented. 01:37:38.768 -- What I want to draw your attention to is they're already part 139 air forms, so they are already doing commercial service. 01:37:52.336 -- already have a terminal building. 01:37:52.336 -- They all already have runway long enough to accommodate these domestic jet airliners. 01:38:04.336 -- I was telling Evan earlier, I like to use the analogy of CTAC on a perfect day, perfect weather, high efficiency, can probably do 80 take-offs in landings and out. 01:38:16.336 -- At Yakima Commercial Service, we do four take off in We have tremendous untapped capacity when actually it's the same way Wall and Wall is the Same Way and although Spokane and Tri-Cities have more they still have lots of capacity The existing airport infrastructure that we have not only the general aviation airports dispersed across the state as you can see But then these other commercial service airports also spread across the street state. 01:38:48.615 -- We have tremendous existing capacity with very little public money invested. 01:38:55.615 -- We can get started. 01:38:56.615 -- As soon as the electric airplanes come online, we can start with really no investment whatsoever. 01:39:13.216 -- It's a moving landscape, companies come and go, they change their structure, they changed what they're focusing on. 01:39:20.895 -- Electric aviation is not of age yet, but it is absolutely coming. 01:39:28.496 -- So this is an example of what we envision for Yakima. 01:39:28.496 -- You can see our terminal, and there's And our vision for Yakima Air Terminal is that we move two gates and TSA upstairs, which opens up the entire downstairs floor that's currently the sterile area, you know, after you get screened by TSA. 01:39:54.144 -- We open that up. 01:39:58.127 -- And now we can have non TSA screen passengers that board that plane in Chehalis or in Bremerton or Sunfield and Puyallup fly in the acumen we walk them through these corridors so they're segregated from the side of the area the secure identification display area into the lower portion of and then they bore the large jet airlines. 01:40:32.287 -- So this is a concept for those airplanes that need to be charged. 01:40:35.408 -- Not all of them will need be charge. 01:40:36.768 -- A lot of the hybrid ones will not need to charge, but we can charge up to nine airplanes at the same time. 01:40:43.087 -- And some of these are pretty small airplanes, you know, the nine passenger airplane. 01:40:46.847 -- How long does it take for everybody to get off the plane? Let it, three or four minutes? It's not very long. 01:40:51.728 -- And so we have to cycle them through. 01:40:53.728 -- So we got holding areas, we drop off taxing them to one of the charging stations. 01:40:57.391 -- They charge, they clean the plane, and then they come back and they pick up their passengers and go on their way. 01:41:02.431 -- I want to recognize that WashDOT is thinking the same thing. 01:41:09.311 -- This was published earlier this year and there's a lot of material in this document. 01:41:14.112 -- But I highlighted this portion that talks about regional air mobility and what This is not just me talking about this, WashDOT is working on this advanced air mobility as well. 01:41:34.496 -- So here are the key takeaways of considering this as a solution. 01:41:40.176 -- CTAC airport will soon reach capacity and will have slot control. 01:41:44.336 -- Existing general aviation airports may be the solution, better traveling experience from the public or across the board, less travel time, less time on the road, more predictable, arrival at the airport, less hassle at airport less expensive for electric aviation, the environment benefits, and then the community's benefit. 01:42:08.891 -- Every single one of these general aviation airports that implements this is going to have a tremendous uptick in their economic growth and vitality. 01:42:17.431 -- So this a win-win for everyone. 01:42:21.391 -- Any questions or comments or discussion? I'd like to ask a couple of questions. 01:42:28.731 -- I certainly agree with everything you said about the, what's going to happen when we get electric planes in the air. 01:42:35.532 -- In looking at your number of charging stations, as all airports are going through right now, are you sure that you will be able to come up with enough power to handle something like this? You know, the places like Denver is having to look at small nuclear plants just to get enough power to run the airport. 01:42:54.952 -- That's one question, and I know in the Northwest we're lucky, because we have a little bit more power than some of the others that provide it all by burning coal in East Coast. 01:43:05.252 -- The other one is, all of these, they're indication your sample where all of them would fly in from these other 10 or 15 little airports I certainly understand how that works. 01:43:20.823 -- Where are you going to get the carriers to take them to where they want to go? You compare it to San Diego, it's not as you said it is not really a comparison, San Diego 20 million people go there because they wanna go to Southern California at the beach. 01:43:34.703 -- Not saying anything against Yakima, I was just there last week and it was a nice place but I think we're gonna get 20 millions people to come there. 01:43:42.304 -- Obviously, what you're looking to is to put them on another plane instead of going to CTAC and connecting to a flight to Kansas City or us or something, you are going to want another airplane that by some air carrier, commercial air carrier. 01:43:57.663 -- And other than right now, if you look around the United States, the only way people are getting that kind of service is the U.S. government's and is that the direction it's going to go because an airline is going to be very hesitant and I'm sorry our friend from Alaska is it on to tell you his view on how many passengers you need a day before they're going to put service in there so but everything you said I just said how do you get over these next couple of bumps well that's those are both great questions The electric deviation industry is still evolving. 01:44:39.712 -- We haven't settled it. 01:44:40.712 -- For example, not all airplanes do not the same plug. 01:44:43.792 -- It's kind of like, if you're my age, you remember VCRs, both VHS and beta. 01:44:48.712 -- Beta was the superior technology, but VHs was a one that won out. 01:44:52.551 -- So we're kind in that same situation right now with the plugs that go into the planes. 01:44:56.631 -- There's no standard yet. 01:44:58.152 -- And there are many other things that are not a standard. 01:45:02.912 -- My sense. 01:45:04.144 -- is that only the smallest planes are going to be all electric, purely because of the energy against the impact. 01:45:10.743 -- And battery technology is diminishing returns. 01:45:10.743 -- We're getting lots smaller, smaller improvements for a lot of investment. 01:45:17.144 -- Likely the larger airplanes, 30 passengers and up will be hybrid electric. 01:45:24.304 -- So the question is, do they even need to I anticipate that answer is no, but I don't know for sure. 01:45:36.420 -- We'll have to see what evolves over time with the industry. 01:45:40.119 -- So the question about how much power do you need, it might solve itself. 01:45:45.720 -- It might only be the smallest airplanes that need to charge. 01:45:48.319 -- Now still, one of the operators is quoting that they need about 450 kilowatt hours. 01:46:01.039 -- or that 3.6, 3, 0.7 megawatts or something like that. 01:46:05.199 -- Now I've talked to my utility and I have asked them for 30 megawatts in 10 years and they're very supportive of that obviously different communities and their utilities. 01:46:15.328 -- We've got a completely different challenge across country and across the state. 01:46:20.328 -- Demand for electricity is going up as we push more and more things to electric. 01:46:24.328 -- So there will probably be utilities that will go nuclear. 01:46:28.328 -- I don't know if we need something specifically on the airport for that. 01:46:31.328 -- But I'm not sure how big the electric charging problem is to solve. 01:46:35.328 -- We're trying to install two chargers. 01:46:38.304 -- But my sense is the larger planes are probably going to be hybrid something, either hybrid jet-A or hybrid hydrogen or something like that. 01:46:46.703 -- As far as the air carriers, so this industry hasn't really taken shape yet. 01:46:52.583 -- In my mind, the approach that makes sense, is that a large airline is vertically integrated. 01:47:02.688 -- For example, Delta operates its main line and then it has a regional carrier that does its regional flying. 01:47:11.328 -- Alaska Air Group has the Alaska Airlines and they have Horizon Air. 01:47:17.967 -- One of the things that's important to the airlines is getting the passenger into their system. 01:47:24.207 -- So getting specifically for Yakima, one of things it's valuable about Yakama passengers, is getting them to Seattle so that they can connect on an Alaska Airlines flight to wherever they're going. 01:47:35.904 -- You know, Alaska just recently merged with Hawaiian and so they have a lot of capacity they are trying to fill. 01:47:40.543 -- So I think this vertical integration, that would be my sense of how this would go, is that it would have the third line of business, so it had their domestic We'll see what he shapes up with the industry. 01:47:57.935 -- It's going to be industry does, but industry does. 01:48:02.336 -- And I'm not going sit here and try and tell them how to do it. 01:48:04.975 -- There will be carriers that will emerge that we'll try to get a piece of this. 01:48:09.296 -- And maybe initially, that's what it's going look like. 01:48:11.895 -- But I think once it pencils out and the airlines can see the financial benefit, I would anticipate, ultimately, the airline would adopt this." So hopefully I answered your questions. 01:48:21.775 -- Was there anything else on that? Good. 01:48:25.408 -- This is Charlie Reardon. 01:48:25.408 -- Hey Rob, thanks. 01:48:25.408 -- Nice presentation. 01:48:32.448 -- I know there are several electronic, like, vertical aerospace has a developing an electric aircraft in, oh gosh, Manchester, I believe it's somewhere in Manchester England, I think. 01:48:48.207 -- But anyway, Big investment in those companies for them in that company that companies specifically for them to develop this aircraft for this business model. 01:48:59.887 -- This I'm kind of with you on this. 01:49:08.608 -- This is not an if but when now how how it fits into Yakovall and all the questions like or it's just to ask about you know electric needs and that obviously to answer those kind of questions we need an economist to dig into that and kind answer questions but From our position, looking at the state and how we relieve CTAC capacity issues, this is one of those elements that should be included in our analysis to look at the future. 01:49:35.663 -- You know, there's there is a vertical aerospace. 01:49:35.663 -- There's archer. 01:49:39.944 -- There is lift. 01:49:39.944 -- Vertical aerospace is in England. 01:49:39.944 -- They will be faster to market. 01:49:48.975 -- Then the United States of America archer and lift because they are going to be approved for commercial air service. 01:49:48.975 -- I'm not, you know, for approval to fly passengers in an aircraft faster than the ones in the US America being approved by the FAA. 01:50:17.712 -- I would like to see if we can't get the CEO of Vertical Aerospace to present at one of our meetings. 01:50:26.511 -- Just to talk about this, I saw one his presentations on YouTube and they're coming fast to market. 01:50:33.872 -- So this is going to be a game changer down the road. 01:50:39.032 -- How you get airlines to work into this horse? I mean as far as are they going fly to Yakimaw? Any other city I'm sure you know the invisible hand of the market will take care of that, but it's going to happen But anyway, nice presentation I think this is going happen a lot of a ton of Ancillary questions have to be answered but as far as solving the capacity issues at sea tack over the next, you Know five ten twenty thirty years This is gonna be one of those pieces of puzzle. 01:51:08.728 -- Thank you And, you know, as I mentioned, if each airport only did 5 million annual passengers times 8 airports, that's 40 million Annual Passengers. 01:51:22.256 -- And instead of having just one location, this large mega airport that nobody wants, where you build up and build-up and built up, until you, again, get to full capacity, slowly built up as demand requires. 01:51:40.503 -- Maybe not all of them will do the same volume of service. 01:51:43.264 -- Some might do more, some might be less, some may need more development, some need less. 01:51:48.904 -- But it's extended over time. 01:51:50.823 -- You don't have to come up with $50 billion to move to build a brand new airport somewhere. 01:51:57.304 -- They're open and ready to go now. 01:51:59.304 -- Evan, you had a question. 01:52:00.984 -- Yeah, I mean, I think for the presentation, Um, but I'm having, I have a trouble with some, um, what piece of it is the electric air technology saw, a good question makes it feasible when it's electric, but they're not doing it now because, yep, you know, small airports are. 01:52:32.176 -- The people in those towns aren't flying very often, and if they do, they're driving to the nearest airports. 01:52:37.855 -- They're competing against driving. 01:52:41.296 -- You can already, you know, nine-seater smaller planes, like your, you, know excessive grand caravan hikes can order to be operated with one pilot. 01:52:49.695 -- Obviously, one-pilot, 9 passengers get fuel. 01:52:49.695 -- You still have to have a pilot flying lifter of an electric Nazi plane, the fuel cost is so much lower that all of a sudden it's economically feasible to operate, you know, Aberdeen to Yakima on a Nazi electric plane when it is not to fly as us to Grand Caravan, the same distance with the senior ambassador. 01:53:14.015 -- Yes, that's part of it. 01:53:14.015 -- So, let me, that is a great question. 01:53:18.095 -- Let me expand on that a little bit. 01:53:21.615 -- So if you think about an Electric airplane and all electric airplane, If you ever have been in a home that has a ceiling fan, how much maintenance have you had to do on that motor in that ceiling, fan? Zero. 01:53:31.695 -- So not only is the maintenance cost of an electric airplane dramatically less than a combustion engine airplane, but the operating cost, as you say, the cost of the fuel, electricity, is much less. 01:53:47.136 -- Now if you take a look at a hybrid, now Engine right so you're still going to have the combustion now We're going try and get to sustain the way they should fuel which is going reduce some of the emissions but not all of emissions, but that really is just kind of a lillipads and leap from Hybrid jet-A to hybrid hydrogen and many of you know that Alaska Airlines gave a Q400 to zero obvious Zero Avia is based in Everett, but also operating in the UK, and they are vertically integrated aerospace hydrogen company. 01:54:33.391 -- The handwriting is on the wall. 01:54:34.591 -- The Q400 is given to be converted to an all-hydrogen or hydrogen-hybrid electric airplane. 01:54:42.192 -- That's a 76 seat airplane, so if you're talking hydrogen is the fuel, again, no emissions because of what they do at Moses Lake with various different hydrogen modules and that's probably something made at some point you want to hear about and maybe we can bring other experts in. 01:55:00.591 -- But I think you know it's the operating costs and the emissions and then the maintenance costs. 01:55:12.112 -- Anyone else? I noticed the carriers are moving. 01:55:12.112 -- A lot of these small communities use to have. 01:55:20.336 -- We're sort of us back in that, you know, similar on to everybody many days with 19 C planes and and I remember flying on the 37 C dash A it's never phased out by the last day in favor of seven sixty two four hundred So I mean I think it is It's interesting and intriguing that we could potentially see return and that commercial or what data they would call it, their capacity, service, right, under a smaller, smaller planes with what they're in front of. 01:55:58.496 -- Right. 01:56:02.095 -- What kind of timeline are we talking about for this being first and final? Maria, I see your hands. 01:56:08.296 -- I'll get to you in just a second. 01:56:10.496 -- Well, so we're waiting on FAA certification in some cases. 01:56:13.855 -- Some of the operators out there are fairly closer within two to three years. 01:56:18.496 -- But that's not the full mobilization of industry. 01:56:22.655 -- It's probably in the neighborhood of 10 years, and that just me guessing. 01:56:28.695 -- So the Great Recession in 2008 and 2009 is what caused the airlines to reconfigure themselves. 01:56:37.256 -- They started eliminating routes to the smaller airports, and they started to eliminate the small airplanes. 01:56:44.015 -- And then the larger airplanes, they airplanes with even more seats and more fuel economy, and they started focusing primarily on large hub and medium hub airports. 01:56:55.703 -- And that was just a financial move because of what was happening in the industry. 01:57:01.224 -- But it's stuck. 01:57:02.703 -- And it stuck for a long time, so that many of us have seen, you know, past 10, 15 years, I can tell you right now, we're in conversation at Yakima with an air carrier that is shifting to a 50-seat plane. 01:57:19.608 -- And so I think we are beginning to see the industry evolve a little bit. 01:57:25.608 -- We're just on the front end of it, I think. 01:57:28.608 -- So to answer your question, we were probably about 10 years out for this to be full-scale. 01:57:36.608 -- And I would say when you look at how much time do we have? before CTAC reaches full capacity, we're in a race against the clock, right? There will be providers that will pop up sooner than that. 01:57:53.079 -- There's some small airplanes that being developed that orders are being taken, but that's just the beginnings of it. 01:57:59.520 -- So whether this group ultimately decides to support this solution or whether we go with something else, the reality of what's happening at CTAT And, you know, we cannot doh. 01:58:10.384 -- Maria. 01:58:24.384 -- She didn't realize that you were asking her to talk. 01:58:28.384 -- Maria, do you have a question? Yes, please. 01:58:32.384 -- It's intriguing. 01:58:34.384 -- It is very promising. 01:58:37.007 -- My question is more along, is there a coordinated planning, long-term planning for this or is that something that the legislature needs to be, that a request needs, for funding needs to meet made at the Legislature because I'm very aware the COG's timeline is short in I am not aware of a specific function that's been created, where everyone works together. 01:59:15.347 -- In my time at wash.aviation, I kept in contact with the aerospace community. 01:59:21.568 -- I knew the commerce aerospace, Secretary Lee Robentos and I worked with her extensively. 01:59:29.328 -- conferences, as often as I could, and maintain contact with them trying to be that connective tissue to bring airports and aerospace and industry together. 01:59:40.368 -- Tom Den a few years ago sponsored a bill for a limited period of time, a two-year period we had the AAAC, the aviation aerospace advisory committee. 01:59:48.807 -- He's tried to bringing that back, but we haven't been able to, to bring that, back yet. 01:59:53.368 -- An entity like that would need to You know, industry is very tight-lifts. 02:00:00.224 -- They keep a lid on things so that they protect their trade secrets. 02:00:04.224 -- There's got to be a mechanism that air space, aviation airports and industry, the flying industry all work together. 02:00:12.224 -- And I'm not aware here in this state that we have that I've seen in Maryland and Virginia and some other states that are putting that kind of thing together, so in many cases I think we're a little bit late to the party. 02:00:27.136 -- The acrobatics and governments, our MPO, we began introducing this type of possibility in our 20-year long range transportation plan five, six years ago. 02:00:34.336 -- We've done some initials, we've gone some initial surveys which public date. 02:00:45.760 -- are receptive to the concept. 02:00:45.760 -- Early in his presentation, it was PSRC who did the survey. 02:00:53.359 -- They're the MBO for the CI rep region. 02:00:53.359 -- And I think the only airport that we shouldn't learn here that is not NPO and thus requires multi-mole of transportation planning was a home. 02:01:08.640 -- That one precluded their regional transportation plan organization. 02:01:15.648 -- doing planning. 02:01:15.648 -- But it wouldn't just be a heavy lift by these Air Force to do this planning, you would have these planning organizations bringing our team part of that process to bring people to those Air Forces. 02:01:29.648 -- A personal example I can have to something you suggested, I was returning from he'd go to a meeting in Spokane. 02:01:43.807 -- By the time he got to Seattle, caught the flight, caught a flight to Spokane, I was back in Seattle to our flight. 02:01:55.007 -- The usually returns to Yak, about 11 o'clock at night. 02:01:57.408 -- He had been waiting for five hours to get from CTAP, which he had gotten on return to That's one example, but you have people traveling currently, maybe to Spokane if they can get a flight, maybe the faster they get the flight or CTAG. 02:02:16.735 -- It's because they have to, it's not because necessarily they're preference. 02:02:22.256 -- So competition, like you mentioned before, maybe not, that they do have those closer locations. 02:02:31.055 -- It is easier for them to access accessibility to aviation flights because And based on that, we're looking at how we can support the app and airport if this transpires, so we've already ended the game. 02:02:49.015 -- We have general aviation airport, Sunnyside, which is really just a basic local user airport. 02:02:57.015 -- But they could then also be a lower valley version that can provide limited flights based which ultimately, as we say, you're not spending time sitting for hours, making a capacity space at CTAC when you could have already completed your flight and your trip and corollary everything. 02:03:21.391 -- So that would be something I think each of the MBOs around the state in association with the airports could be working with them and that helps engage the legislature or the federal government in terms of financing. 02:03:36.271 -- and improvements that we had that direction. 02:03:39.431 -- And at the same time plan, whether it's like a gerundcraft or a bean cereal. 02:03:46.351 -- I've read it again as well. 02:03:48.112 -- Maria, you have your hand up. 02:03:49.231 -- Do you having another question? Yes, I do. 02:03:51.792 -- I have a follow-up question. 02:03:52.792 -- I so appreciate the previous comment. 02:03:55.311 -- And this is more a question to our chair. 02:03:59.231 -- I'm mindful that we have report that's going to be going to the legislature. 02:04:04.256 -- And I'm mindful that our own CAWG group has to make a decision on this, but my sense listening to this presentation is that the CAUGG will wind up doing a short-term, long- term presentation, recommendation ultimately, and that perhaps what we can do is to have an agreement among ourselves What a collaborative thinking planning group would be and come back at the next meeting and I don't know if that timeline is too short. 02:04:45.047 -- I would. 02:04:46.047 -- I'm also thinking about ultimately the utilization of our consultant. 02:04:51.047 -- I think this is. 02:04:52.047 -- This is such a heavy lift that preliminary work has to be done even before. 02:05:03.952 -- And I'm, I would appreciate thoughts from the other members of the COG because you know more of how the navigation can can happen to bring in a very progressive type of technology into operations into aviation operations. 02:05:33.328 -- When we're planning in Between a half hour an hour, we are planning our next meeting and meetings beyond let's Let's put this on the list of things to talk about the consultant Again, then as we were talking about our meetings in 2026 We can't Plan for both more back to input that binding And also, I don't know what you were saying, but a piece within a peace planning for the short media term planning of the media for long term. 02:06:12.703 -- Yeah. 02:06:13.703 -- I appreciate that, Chair, and it would be good to reflect in a line or two in our report that this is a forward-looking planning that's being done as opposed to just a simple expansion of an airport. 02:06:28.503 -- Thank you. 02:06:33.039 -- Any other questions or comments? We have 10 more minutes. 02:06:36.039 -- 10 minutes and then the hook pulled me off stage. 02:06:40.039 -- Anyone else? Anyone on the line? Any yet? Other questions? Okay. 02:06:50.039 -- See you right now. 02:06:51.039 -- Thank you very much. 02:06:52.039 -- All right. 02:06:53.039 -- Thank. 02:06:54.039 -- Thank much you. 02:06:56.039 -- Okay, you want to share your speech? Okay, so we are pivoting now from the survivor's presentation to his work, who is, of course, a member of the COG, but is also active with the... a return from the Federal Aviation Administration and also vice president of all board of Washington which is a nonprofit organization that's been promoting Rayville in Washington State for more than 40 years. 02:07:45.952 -- So it's for me, I love talking about their expectation of both aviation and Raydale. 02:07:54.912 -- I think Ray talking about here. 02:08:04.287 -- So anybody here know what game? So, in July 17th, May, Maria Bataerola passed for some information about the rail. 02:08:16.207 -- And I believe that it was Maria, if I'm wrong, when it's in the context of how improved passenger rail service We, after some talking with Ann, we agree that it would be good to have a washed-up rail freight and horse division provide this briefing today. 02:08:44.112 -- But because of some of the schedule issues, we were not able to do that right now. 02:08:50.351 -- But they are critical willing to brief us. 02:08:54.079 -- at a future meeting. 02:08:54.079 -- So, Mr. 02:08:54.079 -- Chair, I suggest that in the first quarter of 2026, that we schedule a meeting, a briefing presentation by Washot on rail in Washington State, and I suggested that because the new state rail plan is going to be released in So it would be an ideal time for them to brief us about what's in that plan. 02:09:23.847 -- There was a public comment period this summer, and that is closed now. 02:09:29.847 -- But I've seen the director of the plan, and it's quite encouraging, I think, that I'd rather have them speak to the plan because they're far more familiar with it. 02:09:37.847 -- So just in general, I thank, so this presentation defaulted to me is what I was saying here. 02:09:45.855 -- So, in general, the campaigns may be thinking about how improved rail service, put it as passenger or freight, can help with easy to answer trying to congestion, and hopefully this presentation provides some food for thought on that. 02:10:03.055 -- So here's a little map that shows what we have today. 02:10:03.055 -- Can you see my mouse pointer there? Yeah, okay. 02:10:15.743 -- All right, so today in Washington State, we have Amtrak's Empire Builder. 02:10:23.264 -- This train, as long as this train goes from Seattle to Chicago, and to Portland to Chicago. 02:10:28.224 -- These trains that it goes for Seattle, receive this pass, just as well can, and it moves from Portland, not the Columbia River, or as you pass it as so can. 02:10:40.847 -- In the middle of the night, one or two in the morning, Exocan eastbound and they traveled through Northern Montana to Minneapolis and Chicago as a single contest. 02:10:54.127 -- Westbound, they're split at Exocoan during the night. 02:10:57.887 -- Half the train goes back to Seattle or Stevens Pass. 02:11:01.247 -- The other half goes out and passes them down the Additionally, we have Amtrak's post-star life that operates between Seattle and Los Angeles as the English service, and that runs the same route here as in the next training, which is the Amtrak CAST feeds, or which runs between CL and PAND and And now the red line you see here is burned in northern Santa Fe tracks that used to have passenger rail service, but it was discontinued in 1981. 02:11:48.344 -- And that's from Seattle to Auburn, over students over the Earth, and to be passed down to the Admiral Passover in Seattle. 02:12:04.304 -- two different types and the significance of his huge because the longest in service is federally funded and any routes 3750 miles of glass, equally influenced or speak funded. 02:12:28.752 -- The transects themselves, the local muslim coaches, are owned by the was shot and ODOT. 02:12:35.551 -- The tracks are over by Brenton, Northern Santa Fe, and the trans themselves are operated by Amtrak crews under contract to washed on ODot. 02:12:50.591 -- So it's perhaps arguably a little bit of a complicated arrangement. 02:12:55.536 -- Amtrak currently operates 15 all-distance routes that range from 760 to 2,500 miles, the route from Vancouver, BC, and Virginia units, 476. 02:13:11.615 -- So, the bipartisan infrastructure law, which you may be familiar with, was signed into law in 2021. 02:13:25.199 -- That law, incidentally, you don't worry about these numbers that you see on here and I expect you to be able to read them, but I'm providing all these slides to Christina. 02:13:39.800 -- So if you want to see these and look at them you can do it later. 02:13:44.207 -- But basically, the bipartisan infrastructure law provides $66 billion for cash-sharing freight rail over a five-year period. 02:13:52.728 -- It's the largest investment invested rail since Amtrak's creation 50 years ago. 02:13:59.368 -- It provides unprecedented federal funding for rail improvement projects, and includes $56 billion in advanced appropriations from FY22 through FY26. 02:14:13.072 -- So, two important aspects of the bipartisan infrastructure law affect Central Washington. 02:14:20.872 -- First of all, section 2-2-1-4, which required the Secretary of Transportation to conduct a study about the restoration of Amtrak long distance routes, many of which were discontinued in the 70s and early 80s. 02:14:37.456 -- And that study both Alan and I participated on over a tree and tree, and we'll get to the results of that in just a minute here. 02:14:47.855 -- The other section that affects us here in Washington is the Secretary was required to establish a program to facilitate the development of rail corridors, both long distance and And all of these long-distance study that was required here by 2-2-1-4 was presented in Congress in 2025, and here's the link to it, it's 130 pages long, so I'm not going to read it. 02:15:24.479 -- But it has a lot of interesting information in there. 02:15:26.920 -- We've got time. 02:15:27.920 -- We're running ahead of the schedule. 02:15:34.735 -- Okay, yeah, this is the current long-distance route situation. 02:15:34.735 -- Well current actually rail route situation the brown lines are long distance and the blue lines our state sponsored routes there less than 50 miles so you can see a blue line there from Seattle value chain and that goes up to then to see and The brown line area see that was through Spokane and what they have can away from here is actually passed So, but that's the empire builder that you talked about earlier. 02:16:02.975 -- It goes to Seattle. 02:16:10.496 -- So the long-distance study that federal administration did came up with a recommendation of 15 preferred routes for restoration. 02:16:26.416 -- And these are in the report to Congress that I'm just showing you there. 02:16:26.416 -- The purple line This is what was called the Northwest High Lock-up, that was discontinued in 1979, and then this route continued to operate through Yakima law as the empire builder until 1981. 02:16:48.239 -- So this purple route is one of them as a representative for the recommendation. 02:17:00.879 -- The bipartisan infrastructure, well, basically resulted in 69 projects that were awarded $500,000 each under federal administration's worth, quarter identification and development program to begin restoration of these projects, bringing these 69 grants directly to that Two of these grants were awarded to Washot. 02:17:30.575 -- The first grant was in December 2023 to assist in preparation of the what's called service development plan for the Amtrak Cascades. 02:17:43.656 -- A service-development plan is a plan, a detailed plan of everything from sightings to platforms to stations to transcoaches what everything is needed to develop a service. 02:17:52.415 -- It's all the service Development Plan. 02:18:00.144 -- washed out completed the preliminary service development plan from Cascades in June of 2024 and it's the foundation for additional work on the service department plan. 02:18:12.942 -- So the second grant that washed-out received was for high-speed rent service between Vancouver, BC and Portland, Oregon. 02:18:18.862 -- Now, $500,000 is not a big sum. 02:18:18.862 -- The idea is to be seed money so that you can start long-range planning, if you will, for high-speed rail service. 02:18:35.816 -- Subsequent to this $500,000 grant that was watched out received, they also received another second grant for a high speed rail, which is $49.7 million. 02:18:47.816 -- They received in December of 2024. 02:18:51.664 -- And then they also received $5.5 million in state matching funds from the Washington State legislation. 02:18:59.584 -- So these funds will support the next phase of the work, including technical work and community and partner engagement to look at the market's attention leadership, right shift, wrap options and service options, which is something we want to talk about here in just a minute. 02:19:18.799 -- not even as far along as light braille and paint field. 02:19:23.200 -- So if we want to talk about how to send my XS-C tab, this is probably a good time to start that conversation. 02:19:33.440 -- So the third grant of 500,000 went to the Vix Sky to begin preparation or restoration in Chicago to see how it serves. 02:19:51.700 -- This is a purple line I showed you in a slide earlier. 02:19:55.200 -- And there's lots of numbers on the slides that I don't intend to walk you through. 02:20:01.200 -- These are criteria that federal administration used to come up with a preferred recommended route. 02:20:15.631 -- This round is over 2,000 miles long and it stands seven states So this guy passenger real authority applied to FRA To be a sponsor of this particular route and you see you to five hundred thousand dollar ground to do that Here's some more numbers that pertain to that route and Has some work right to carry on here that kind of You show how the FRA picked this particular route, and to the truth, one of the reasons that this route shows from Kenwood, the Afro-CL is because it was a large number of comments that were submitted to F RA about the Afghan law. 02:21:03.407 -- And then there's the fact that the route crosses the Yakima Nation, which was one request or in the process of real service to tribal nations. 02:21:10.111 -- It was one of the criteria that they used. 02:21:17.111 -- You know, look at these later. 02:21:17.111 -- I'm not going to go on get through all of those. 02:21:23.111 -- This is another one. 02:21:23.111 -- This particular one is as the costs. 02:21:23.111 -- Now these costs are federal administration estimates. 02:21:37.231 -- I don't know if you can see those numbers are not very well, but if we add up those numbers, they total up to about $3 billion to restore this route from Chicago to Seattle. 02:22:00.463 -- The facility costs, that's stations, platforms, and a maintenance facility where they get over all the trainings, or the coaches and little more so if I'm not. 02:22:13.824 -- So this is another one that you can look at later, pick up some numbers, as it is this that has envisioned that this route would operate and work with time of day and that sort of thing. 02:22:29.695 -- And you can look at this later or look and these are slides incidentally, a lot of these you can see on right of course, I just plagiarized these out of the FRA as long as to serve the study. 02:22:45.040 -- So, now let's talk for a minute about the Amtrak KSPs. 02:22:49.040 -- This is the washout sponsored service that runs between November, DC and Eugene. 02:22:57.040 -- Washout is in the process of receiving heat and transits that are fully funded. 02:23:03.040 -- In fact, the first one was just delivered about maybe three weeks ago out of the factory California is south of Safframel, the Siemens plant there. 02:23:13.520 -- These are manufactured and this train was physically moved to what we'll call a rattle about three weeks ago where there is undergoing testing right now and there are seven more transits to follow. 02:23:27.600 -- This transette that's the northeast corridor between Boston and Washington DC for additional training and these train sets are expected to enter service hopefully in time for the World Cup by next summer. 02:23:57.615 -- These incidentally, these train sense are not high speed rail. 02:23:57.615 -- They're they'll operate 79 miles because of the limitations on the NSF track and other train traffic over freight and passenger. 02:24:17.927 -- And here is a picture of a train actually being moved to Pueblo, and here's the view of some of interior seating. 02:24:28.912 -- These particular trains are not the same as a long-distance train. 02:24:34.912 -- Amtrak is in the procurement process for procuring long distance trains. 02:24:39.912 -- The shorter trains, these three sponsored trains don't have quite the single amenities. 02:24:44.912 -- They're certainly not easy, but they don t have, for example, sleeping accommodations, which is a longer train if the longest is trying to steal them. 02:24:58.048 -- Listen, you've got a little bit of high-speed rail. 02:25:03.048 -- There's many definitions of how you see the rail, if our A sets the Federal Administration sets trans-feedbacks based on signaling systems in use and the class of track. 02:25:15.847 -- And there are nine classes of tracks in the United States, various requirements. 02:25:21.288 -- Class IV track is a con, which allows students up to 80 miles an hour. 02:25:27.567 -- So, high-speed rail right now in California is under construction, and this will be operated on the Class 9 track, which means it'll have speeds up to 220 miles an hour. 02:25:44.167 -- The red lines here, purple lines are under-construction. 02:25:54.528 -- I think is the terminus of sport right now. 02:25:59.528 -- That one is under construction. 02:26:01.528 -- It's called Bright Line West. 02:26:03.528 -- It is not going to be Amtrak. 02:26:05.528 -- It has not seen it in California. 02:26:07.528 -- The other line there between Vakersfield and Merced and between San Jose and San Francisco are currently under-construction and have been for quite a few years, incidentally. 02:26:23.631 -- Here's an example of what's going on with the California high-speed rail, and I have a third or four slides like this just kind of to show you why this stuff isn't cheap. 02:26:33.131 -- I mean, people talk about it being extensive, well, so we're building a new airport, but this gets very pricey. 02:26:41.131 -- In high speed rail basically you have three options. 02:26:45.131 -- You can either elevate the tracks or you can tunnel or even have extreme sensing. 02:26:52.927 -- if you're going to be, but you cannot have at great crossings. 02:26:57.288 -- Obviously, you can't have cattle, automobiles, people. 02:27:01.688 -- You need a crossing the runway because these trains are going over two or a month, and you have to stop. 02:27:11.087 -- Here you'll see on the left here this particular bridge. 02:27:14.768 -- It looks like an interstate highway bridge, but the Californians want to start laying track later this year. 02:27:21.247 -- but it's a good idea of painting track. 02:27:25.048 -- This is the same, this is an artist's rendition. 02:27:27.247 -- You can see there's actually a tree on there, but then they have an area close to the front plate. 02:27:34.968 -- Here's another slide which shows just what makes this complicated and pricey. 02:27:48.111 -- There's another, it looks like it's a traditional wire, there's 50, more than 50 of these right now in the Central Valley of California and but most of these are going to be connected here very soon. 02:28:03.791 -- The high-to-speed rail authority in California is anticipating to start a service January 1st of 32. 02:28:16.128 -- So it's six years from now. 02:28:23.128 -- So this is an interesting little slide I wanted to show you. 02:28:28.128 -- This is in artist's rendition, but it is actually a real building. 02:28:34.128 -- This the Transbased Transit Center at San Francisco. 02:28:39.128 -- It's also called the Salesforce Transit center. 02:28:45.023 -- and it sits one block south of Margaret Street. 02:28:45.023 -- Currently it serves as a primary bus terminal for the San Francisco Bay Area and is designed to accommodate future high-speed rail. 02:28:50.623 -- If you can see, there's five levels here. 02:28:59.504 -- I see rail and for local transit connections. 02:28:59.504 -- The ground floor of all offices in Bus State at the Garden of England and in a waiting room. 02:29:20.352 -- And the bus deck has bus-based surrounding the Central Reading area, and then there's a 5.4 acre park. 02:29:30.352 -- Now, the reason I put these out here is let your mind wander for a minute and pretend that this is CTAC. 02:29:39.007 -- And this could be either a tremendously overhauled parking garage and CTEC, or it could replace under the existing parking garage. 02:29:49.727 -- So as you look at this, now I'm on the bottom floor. 02:29:53.327 -- I don't know if you can see my mouse or not, but this would be light rail connections and I speak rail. 02:30:00.808 -- The next one up would probably be that each lane. 02:30:04.783 -- The next one up would probably be passenger drop off on the left side or the right side or you could have these divided up by specific airlines, so they kind of breaks up the, just drive it up there anywhere. 02:30:20.744 -- The the next route up will be buses and probably the hotel and parking shuttle. 02:30:31.888 -- People can sit and wait for their airplane, they're quiet. 02:30:35.128 -- So here's a couple of photos. 02:30:38.007 -- This thing actually exists. 02:30:40.128 -- And here is how it looks. 02:30:41.968 -- This is the bus level. 02:30:44.808 -- And this is another picture of the escalator and signs quite a nice facility. 02:30:50.567 -- And then here it's the parking area of top. 02:30:57.775 -- Would be possible to do this at CTA. 02:30:57.775 -- You just have to think out of the box a little bit So that thing might be great open 200 miles an hour or so Here's some times potentially Between different cities that I just picked I don't know where To show you how it might to be Possible to get from some of these places what we might think about building where or or using an existing airport to expand existing airports. 02:31:29.840 -- So, for example, you can get from Yakima on a CTAC in 47 minutes at 200 miles an hour. 02:31:36.520 -- If you're going to Bellevue, you could probably have a stop there. 02:31:39.420 -- You'd probably not have 10 minutes off of there, or so. 02:31:43.420 -- Now, to keep this in perspective, I'm going shoulder and 21 minutes. 02:31:50.100 -- Yeah, that's reasonable problem. 02:31:54.111 -- 22 minutes, most of late, a little bit longer as it still can. 02:31:54.111 -- But think about this for a minute. 02:32:02.352 -- Denmark Airport opened in 1995. 02:32:02.352 -- It's 25 miles northeast downtown Denver. 02:32:10.272 -- It was built out in the middle of nowhere. 02:32:10.272 -- They had lots of land available, something that we don't But a light rail train now departs Denver or Florida or 15 to join us during the day and lightrail will get you to downtown Denver's Union Station in 37 minutes. 02:32:33.567 -- So compare that to some of the numbers that were on here. 02:32:33.567 -- Now it's a not high-speed rail, it is light-rail. 02:32:38.208 -- But nevertheless, lots of people like it. 02:32:43.456 -- Ride by Braille and and you know survive those 30 minutes to get it down down Denver now if you're going to Tokyo for example and your fun in the Maria airport It's a one hour ride by taxi or bus from Maria the downtown Tokyo and It'll be longer if your train This is my last slide, it's, this happens to be a picture of the new Amtrak, a cell of transcess that were just delivered last month, and are now operated on the Northeast border. 02:33:24.768 -- These trains operate at top speed of 160 miles an hour, and slower in some areas because of track conditions, but this is the close thing that that we have currently in the United States that you could call a high-speed rail. 02:33:40.079 -- When a California system comes online and bright line, those will be 200-1 hour trains. 02:33:47.680 -- So, that's my last slide. 02:33:51.479 -- So I'll open questions if anybody has any. 02:34:02.368 -- has been said before, how do you improve people rapidly from the sound area to and from some of these other locations, or we might have a new airport or use an expanded existing airport? This is technology that exists, takes money, and it takes some time, but it also costs money Questions? I have a question I'll call pick your brain from your railroad experience. 02:34:40.360 -- Question was brought up on the Seattle to Chicago. 02:34:44.920 -- It's going to take two days to get from one end to the other. 02:34:51.319 -- Why would somebody want to say two things that they can be in Chicago? in five, six hours. 02:35:03.976 -- That's a good question. 02:35:06.976 -- First of all, I'll say that most people do not take the train from Seattle to Chicago. 02:35:13.976 -- The average length of a traveler on Amtrak's long distance trains is about 490 miles. 02:35:21.976 -- So people get in on and off these trains as the trains go. 02:35:28.719 -- Now there's sleeping accommodations for those who elect to have that service so you can go all the way from say I was Chicago, I'm done. 02:35:36.479 -- I mean, some people do, but you know, you don't want me to hurt. 02:35:44.559 -- If you're in a hurry, if you've got to fly. 02:35:44.559 -- But I can say the train is relaxing. 02:35:52.799 -- You can get up, move around. 02:35:52.799 -- You could have a full sit down dinner. 02:35:57.487 -- You have some of the accommodations, you can choose those. 02:36:02.288 -- So it's a relaxing experience. 02:36:07.548 -- And I think there will always be a few people to do that, but, like I said, most of it goes 490 miles average. 02:36:18.087 -- I see the high-speed rail from Vancouver to down to Portland being extremely important and relieving congestion. 02:36:29.739 -- Do we have the ability to get any numbers on passengers taking rail now? And is there any impact on, I mean, is that even relieves the CTAC pressure? Because I'm guessing if you want to go rail, you're just going to choose rail. 02:36:47.940 -- I think that would not even be my third option. 02:36:54.255 -- I'm just not a rail guy. 02:36:54.255 -- I looked at thinking into Portland and it just didn't make sense due to the time. 02:36:59.296 -- It's not like a plane that's leaving every hour. 02:36:59.296 -- You can get on and go. 02:37:03.935 -- It was very specific, kind of weird times. 02:37:03.935 -- And to me, it's almost, I haven't actually tried before. 02:37:09.855 -- Specifically on a relaxing scenic drive or ride on the train. 02:37:09.855 -- How was that? We're leaving that pressure. 02:37:22.479 -- Yeah. 02:37:22.479 -- Well, right now there are six impact cascade trains daily between Seattle and Portland. 02:37:29.600 -- And then there's the co-star light. 02:37:29.600 -- So that's his seventh one. 02:37:42.448 -- When you take the train, you're going to ride with the Trans Station five or ten minutes before departure and get on. 02:37:49.448 -- If you want to go from Seattle to Portland, you need to show up two hours in France. 02:37:55.448 -- So... You have to marry between A and B and at the end of the day and time if you have their difficulty in CL. 02:38:04.072 -- I looked at slow camps, website yesterday, even there. 02:38:07.072 -- They tell everybody, show up two hours in advance. 02:38:10.072 -- Well, generally everyone, just because that's what the airlines say and the airports can't say different than the airline's. 02:38:16.072 -- Because if there's an issue, passengers then look at your airport and say, well, you said I could be here 45 minutes before my flight. 02:38:25.520 -- two hours. 02:38:25.520 -- I think most people have foot for the system and know it, know when they come in and out of the local airport, it's sufficient for people to hear it. 02:38:30.239 -- There are ridership numbers but we can get those sorted out. 02:38:34.799 -- We need them to see just what I can provide those I remember that. 02:38:46.015 -- I'll say that because I don't remember the exact writers, but I've heard Jason based either those two as before, they change all the time. 02:38:50.415 -- But I know prior to the pandemic, there was something like a 60% fair box of recovery on the Amtrak yesterday's. 02:38:56.175 -- So the writers should produce this better something than some other public transportation systems. 02:39:05.695 -- And that's but that is North South. 02:39:05.695 -- Now, yes. 02:39:05.695 -- That's right. 02:39:05.695 -- This is between That core and broadcast agency at Portland, you know, slightly over three hours now, six times a day. 02:39:21.407 -- I'm sitting inside and going, so wait so often. 02:39:25.407 -- But now you're at that many trips per day, each direction. 02:39:29.407 -- And then you factor in traffic on I5 or the. 02:39:36.847 -- Need to arrive at the airport in some in advance of a short flight and then the fact that you're going for it for the day You land out of port airport and you gotta take them you know, they're like really in you You know it's I My prior job It was always like depending on exactly where I'm going and I can fly take the train or drive now that so many more the train. 02:40:06.208 -- If it was a high speed train, that would probably really smooth the needle. 02:40:10.528 -- Is that, if it's said to the Cascadia, I'd be rather be dedicated right away, yeah, faster. 02:40:17.167 -- I can say about that having reviewed washed-ups draft, new rail plan, there's several options in there for the cascades. 02:40:26.128 -- One of them, program is there thinking about planning for 13 trips a day round trip between Salem, Portland, and the service development plan that I mentioned for the Cascades is going to include various improvements to speed up after idle time. 02:40:47.407 -- Now between Seattle, Portland there are some, for example, I know they're in the process of building a new platform at Centralia. 02:40:53.487 -- They put it and with various infrastructure improvement projects like that to see that the servers. 02:41:11.023 -- But nevertheless, they're pretty much limited to 79 miles an hour because it gets really complicated where you start being passenger trains on tracks behind a 50-mile-an-hour freight train ahead of you. 02:41:26.023 -- So it creates complications for BNSF. 02:41:31.136 -- to put anything higher than about 90 miles an hour. 02:41:34.736 -- But if dedicated high speed could change the game, PS directed high-speed, but definition has to have restricted brand new right-of-it. 02:41:44.896 -- That's what makes it kind of expensive. 02:41:46.736 -- If you go out and acquire all this land, you have to do environmental impact. 02:41:50.672 -- The studies and the thing has to be elevated or tumbled, and incidentally, the cost of tumbling in $20-20 is $400 billion per mile and in the case of the high-speed service between Vancouver, BC and Portland, it's been estimated it will require 80 miles of tummeling And I think the reason for most of that, anyone else is to go under places like Tacoma and Seattle and Everett and whatnot. 02:42:25.703 -- It's cheaper to do that I'd think. 02:42:28.224 -- They don't like the elastin by it up. 02:42:30.144 -- You know, you just dig a hole rather than build another elevated section for it. 02:42:36.504 -- Yeah, and that's what makes it expensive. 02:42:38.824 -- 4% or 5, give it a question. 02:42:42.224 -- Yeah I see a couple of hands up there. 02:42:43.863 -- Yeah. 02:42:44.943 -- Can you hear me? Yeah, so I have some history here with the high-speed rail and I guess my, my a couple of cautions, I mean the legislature did provide some money to take a look at this given the availability of federal dollars, just like we are looking to add enhancements to the This is a proposal that comes from advocates with a solution. 02:43:25.159 -- I would suggest that you focus like you are with potential airport improvements. 02:43:35.159 -- New airport needs as solving a problem. 02:43:43.680 -- that needs to be addressed. 02:43:43.680 -- I appreciate the comments about what the cost is and if you take a look at what's happening in California you'll see, especially if the state picks up the responsibility like this, how the costs can get way out of hand. 02:43:58.399 -- This is, you know, I think I believe that the with transportation between Portland and Vancouver, BC, it's a different problem about what we're trying to respond to in terms of our aviation needs in the state of Washington. 02:44:23.311 -- Much broader situation, different kind of solutions. 02:44:31.391 -- This is a fixed solution, fixed route solution. 02:44:42.448 -- I have heard today about different ways of solving this, the advantage of airport construction while it does need to have access, that the routes can be very flexible. 02:45:09.904 -- and the more stops you have, the less it becomes high speed, and it is basically a straight line construction, either in green fields or tunneling. 02:45:17.584 -- So it's not to say that this might be in the future, might being the future for the state, but I just I think it was good to remind folks that these High speed rail is not going to solve our airport access and travel. 02:45:47.440 -- It may solve a bit of it, but it doesn't solve the airport needs are much broader. 02:45:54.440 -- So just wanted to throw that in and happy to have more conversations. 02:45:58.440 -- Sorry, I can't be there in person. 02:46:00.440 -- I appreciate the quality of the presentation that's just been made was very good. 02:46:07.152 -- As I said, it's a different problem that high speed rail chooses to solve then The airport needs for the state of Washington. 02:46:14.551 -- Thank you There are any other questions Yeah, I did have my hand up and I was just curious Uh, oh years ago when I was with the state of Texas as an airport planner with city Houston, they had plans to look at high speed rail between uh, uh San Antonio Houston and Dallas and and uh you know I still don't think they've gone anywhere with that but that that I've kind of just wanted to ask the question. 02:46:53.208 -- What other states do have high-speed rail. 02:46:56.208 -- Thank you. 02:47:00.927 -- California, for sure. 02:47:00.927 -- I mean, well, they don't have it yet. 02:47:00.927 -- It's our construction. 02:47:06.208 -- And I have to look, I'm not sure, that route between Houston and Dallas, Fort Worth has been on again and off again. 02:47:14.608 -- And, actually, you don' t know what the status of that Okay, and then of course, you know the Amtrak a cell in the northeast quarter of the United States That was from Boston to or to DC. 02:47:33.551 -- Yeah. 02:47:33.551 -- That's that's a high speed. 02:47:33.551 -- Is it? It's 116 up to 160 miles an hour. 02:47:42.611 -- So again as on your destination of I see Well, all right. 02:47:48.551 -- Okay. 02:47:48.551 -- Thank you There's another question I received from That's a public comment. 02:47:56.463 -- I assume they're raising their hand for public comments. 02:48:01.103 -- Oh, okay. 02:48:01.103 -- Are we so we're right at the time? Are you right after that? You may not be able to be in place. 02:48:06.543 -- All right, well, thank you for this work. 02:48:13.984 -- Hey, people now start the public content portion of this meeting. 02:48:13.984 -- We have 30 minutes for Think that the end of two minutes you go over, or the state your two minutes are over and ask that you please wrap up your comment. 02:48:29.327 -- I will alternate back and forth between in-person and online Zoom, public comment, if you would like to comment and you're online, please use the hand raised tool in the reaction section of Zoom. 02:48:40.327 -- And those in person can form a line. 02:48:45.327 -- So I'll start with someone in a person, if they went in first and once they go first, go ahead, That way the speakers can hear you So I'm Patricia Byers Mayor of City Yakima. 02:48:58.512 -- I've been following this over time as Alan knows any Rob knows I do think that passenger rail and our airport situation can compliment each other work very well And so I just keep watching and hoping for our opportunity But also I want to comment on the last speaker who shared that high-speed rail may not be the answer in Washington state I grew up in California. 02:49:23.023 -- I know that those, you know, hundreds of miles of flat land are about, and we don't have that here. 02:49:27.103 -- You know we have mountains and other things like that really prevent, I think, effective high-speed rail coming from one side of the state to the other. 02:49:35.504 -- I'll say the better. 02:49:35.504 -- Thank you very much. 02:49:35.504 -- Okay. 02:49:35.504 -- Great job. 02:49:41.023 -- All right. 02:49:41.023 -- Online, even. 02:49:44.623 -- I will ask you to unmute. 02:49:50.959 -- Yeah, good afternoon. 02:49:50.959 -- My name is Steve Widner. 02:49:50.959 -- I work for the Port of Seattle. 02:49:56.959 -- My team and I handle and oversee all of the airline scheduling, gate planning, and capacity planning for the airport, and it's my first time joining this meeting. 02:50:08.959 -- And it has been a very intriguing conversation, great presentations, interesting presentations to kind of see what the direction is for this group. 02:50:20.399 -- What I've been drawn to is sort of the direction this group is going in, as far as trying to handle the capacity for the airport, looking for different answers, resolutions to handled the capacities for this airport finding different solutions, whether it's high speed rail, a secondary airport. 02:50:30.120 -- It all seems to me that it's a 10 to 20 year outlook right because the need for infrastructure locations and whatnot and looking at our capacity planning. 02:50:51.268 -- We are in need of resolutions near term in basically a five year plan and when we're looking solutions that's where I would hope this group is looking towards finding resolutions in a more near-term solution rather than long term. 02:51:11.536 -- That's when the capacity is going to be hitting, and we're not going be able to support the growth and the infrastructure here at the airport given what we are doing on a day-to-day basis, whether that's high-speed rail, which is gonna take a long time, searching for a secondary airport, where it's gonna to take long, long-time. 02:51:29.495 -- We need solutions in a near-term, two to five-year outlook rather than long term. 02:51:40.495 -- Thank you. 02:51:40.495 -- Is there anyone else in person that links me up on the comment? I go around the tube. 02:51:47.495 -- Okay. 02:51:49.495 -- That's up to the chair. 02:51:52.495 -- I don't see a visual line. 02:52:00.239 -- So this is Patricia Byers-Mayer reaction again, and I appreciate the last speaker's focus on the short-term solution to what we're facing in the very near future and I know that our airport directors worked a great deal on looking at the use of community airports Connecting to one another and then giving people into the Seattle or Portland area and just say that's that is a I love the idea of railroad because I like riding on the train. 02:52:25.639 -- I think in the future it's going to be very effective, but I'd think that shorter-term solution is going to the smaller community or parts of the community or part for some of that resolution. 02:52:36.479 -- Thank you. 02:52:37.479 -- Hearing from that's online. 02:52:38.799 -- Yes, there's quite a few. 02:52:39.879 -- So next, online is rec. 02:52:45.280 -- Yes. 02:52:45.280 -- Thank You. 02:52:45.879 -- Can you hear me? OK. 02:52:48.432 -- Wonderful. 02:52:48.432 -- I'm Dr. 02:52:48.432 -- Brecht Lebeg with Co-Chair of Physicians for Social Responsibility, the Climate and Health Task Force. 02:52:53.871 -- Chair Norby and members, thank you for the opportunity to comment. 02:52:58.752 -- WPSR doctors work to understand and advise on health effects of transport policy. 02:53:04.992 -- There's an Air Force flight surgeon for 30 years, aerospace medicine, and public health specialist. 02:53:09.871 -- I was an aircraft mishap investigator. 02:53:11.951 -- I deployed multiple times and have thousands of hours of flight time and military airplanes. 02:53:18.128 -- But, during and after my service, I also came to learn the health harms of fossil-fueled aircraft. 02:53:25.087 -- It shifts the risks to health and insurance systems for medical treatment. 02:53:31.487 -- As I've stated to you in my testimony last May, we must limit PM2.5 fuel particles that cause heart disease, lung disease cancer, and dementia. 02:53:39.888 -- Recall the UW study that found two to five years shorter lifespan by those living near A mode shift from fuel-hungry planes and millions of vehicles on lanes onto fuel efficient trains is the healthy choice. 02:53:57.111 -- I was delighted to hear the opportunity today of electric planes on distributed service. 02:54:03.412 -- Because transport is a system of systems, your mission statement requires that aviation be considered in context, not isolation. 02:54:16.495 -- but also to our most important resource, our people. 02:54:20.175 -- As a delegate to the Washington State Medical Association beating this Saturday, I will introduce a resolution to Limit Aviation Harm by Fuel, by Limiting Airport Expansion, Limitting New Airports, and Limitating Shortfall Flights, starting with those 4400 flights per day The intent is not to stop moving people and goods where they're needed. 02:54:48.808 -- It's to not make them sick in that process. 02:54:52.368 -- Thank you for the opportunity to comment. 02:54:52.368 -- I'd be honored to join your group as you make these choices. 02:54:52.368 -- Thank Okay, I'm next online Brandon Thanks, yeah, and I am glad to turn on video if you like as well Thanks for letting me quickly comment. 02:55:14.208 -- First, my name is Brandon Bowersock Johnson, and I co-lead a team at 350 Seattle that looks at aviation and transportation issues. 02:55:27.327 -- So the first thing I want to say is a big thank you for taking this look at rail and aviation, Ways of looking are more work than if you just kind of looked at one piece of the puzzle, but this is really an important service you all are doing for everyone here in Washington State to figure out how different modes could be a solution. 02:55:59.471 -- The CTAC airport congestion and the highway congestion, and as a couple of previous speakers said, I actually think in the next five years, rail by improving cascades can be a near-term solution to address that airport suggestion. 02:56:11.631 -- I worked with a group of volunteers. 02:56:18.559 -- Doing a report about some of the short haul flights that can already be served by rail that are that a lot of short all flights out of sea tack big destinations like Seattle to Vancouver BC or Seattle, to Portland each of those has more than 100 flights incoming and outgoing every single day between Seattle Portland and Seattle Vancouver, BC and yet those are served provide super fast service there. 02:56:47.840 -- But actually, in the next five years, WashDOT already is planning for how to improve the Cascade service and go up to something like 14 trains a day between Seattle, Portland. 02:56:58.159 -- So having hourly trains, like somebody said, well, I tried to take it and the trains aren't leaving every hour. 02:57:03.680 -- Well, actually WashdOT's plan is that they would be leaving each hour, so we have in-the-near-term a way to our rail system like the Cascades route that already exists that can dramatically give people more transportation choices rather than just getting in an airplane or taking the highway. 02:57:25.615 -- So I hope you'll consider these multimodal questions and ask which of these routes really are near term solutions. 02:57:31.504 -- The report that we have coming out, I'll be glad to share it when it does, that find something like 600 flights every single week are to these short destinations already served by rail. 02:57:42.304 -- So I will share that report and I follow along your work. 02:57:47.984 -- Thank you very much for asking these multimodal questions and looking at the way that rail can be a solution to our congested aviation network and to the highway bottlenecks as well. 02:58:02.095 -- Thank you. 02:58:03.095 -- Okay, up next is Ursa. 02:58:10.095 -- Yes, good afternoon. 02:58:16.095 -- I'm unable to undo myself on the camera, but can you hear me? All right. 02:58:22.095 -- Yes. 02:58:23.095 -- We can hear you? I very much agree with what the first my name is Ursula Euler. 02:58:28.239 -- I'm a resident in Thurston County. 02:58:35.920 -- I have been deeply involved in aviation planning since 2021 or so when the 1st Again, it's work. 02:58:45.007 -- I feel and feel that I'm very knowledgeable about the topic and have learned a lot over the years. 02:58:52.167 -- And I am learning more about rail and rail transportation in the U.S. and am delighted that... to hear what the previous two speakers have spoken about that rail can be a solution to transportation, to public transportation. 02:59:09.152 -- Aviation is not public transportation. 02:59:09.152 -- I say that because about five to six people out of ten in a year don't even fly. 02:59:18.191 -- So it is only It's at the average person flies about once every two years. 02:59:27.007 -- I don't call that public transportation. 02:59:33.888 -- And to do some math, Washington has about 8.1 million residents right now. 02:59:45.247 -- This is from the Office of Financial Management, the official keeper of population projections. 02:59:52.272 -- Of that 8.1 million, those are people of all ages, young and old, of all economic status, well to do versus just getting along. 03:00:04.272 -- If we just assume that half of them are in a position to be able to afford to fly, we are talking about four million in Washington. 03:00:15.272 -- And if those four millions each fly once every other year. 03:00:20.719 -- Where are these projections of aviation growth coming from? I think that should be looked at very closely. 03:00:30.079 -- The number I gave you about how many people fly in a year comes from a Gallup poll. 03:00:35.760 -- I consider that an independent incredible source. 03:00:39.760 -- I do not consider the FAA as a objective source of projections because the demand that is being projected seems out of line. 03:00:52.432 -- It seems the way to hide. 03:00:55.471 -- It is not geared towards Washington and Washington population. 03:00:55.471 -- So where does it come from? And that would be a root cause to address and to find out if aviation expansion is really the answer or if there are other answers in the wings such Perhaps airports need to collaborate, maybe Vancouver, British Columbia, and Portland airports and CTAC need collaborate in order to take pressure off of CTAG. 03:01:22.288 -- Perhaps cargo can go from Yakima to the metropolitan area of Seattle, for example. 03:01:31.407 -- Cargo Transportation even of perishable items can be much restructured. 03:01:45.167 -- Those are all solutions that should be looked at very closely, but particularly. 03:02:06.448 -- Good afternoon. 03:02:06.448 -- I hope everyone can hear me. 03:02:06.448 -- Can you hear me? Can you all hear me Okay, okay. 03:02:17.448 -- Thank you very much. 03:02:17.448 -- So thank you very much for the presentations. 03:02:24.448 -- I'm Arby Amaris. 03:02:26.448 -- I volunteer with Climate Rail Alliance and I advocate for passenger rail as it means to alleviate congestion at our airports and freeways. 03:02:31.448 -- As with regional airports This strategy would use infrastructure we already have and is already moving people along our congested I-5 corridor and to some extent east-west across the state. 03:02:45.371 -- Bastley improving our regional passenger rail network in the state could be done in five to ten years if it's prioritized as a central piece of our transportation strategy. 03:02:55.871 -- Many commercial flights out of Sea Tech In addition, there are flights to Spokane and cities in Montana, just to name some of the East-West destinations. 03:03:10.175 -- We hope you will join with rail advocates in supporting Fundy for federal match brands to maximize ridership on Amtrak Cascades route and develop East West routes. 03:03:20.175 -- To maximize rider ship, we must have reliable, as well as frequent and faster service, currently poor on time performance and infrequent trips. 03:03:29.584 -- hold back Washington and the Pacific Northwest. 03:03:32.783 -- We know this can be improved, other states have services that are greater than 90% on time. 03:03:39.183 -- Between Seattle and Portland, with 13 to 16 reliable round trips per day, and then new arrow train sets, each train set holds 350 seats. 03:03:50.863 -- We could be moving, and if we had 13-16 roundtrips per year, we could moving. 03:03:57.471 -- 8 to 10,000 people per day along the I-5 corridor. 03:04:02.031 -- And with six round trips between Seattle and Vancouver, BC, we could be moving 4,00 passengers per day together, Amtrak Cascades serves 18 communities. 03:04:16.311 -- So it's not just big city to big city. 03:04:18.943 -- It's also serving smaller communities in between. 03:04:22.183 -- Long distance east-west service is also important. 03:04:25.424 -- My daughter spent three days at the airport trying to get from Seattle to Boseman a few years ago when Alaska Air was having issues with de-icing. 03:04:34.744 -- If there were, I've also spent the night at the Airport when things have just gotten canceled. 03:04:40.183 -- So we need alternatives where possible. 03:04:44.183 -- The train service, if she'd used the train Bozeman on time and then ready to work. 03:04:51.656 -- It is time to have a high priority for investing in Intercity passenger rail to address our transportation needs and our pollution problems. 03:05:02.935 -- Hope you will join us in switching to more frequent, reliable trains as a component of solving our transportation challenges, and this can be done in the short term. 03:05:13.456 -- Please take a good look at Amtrak Cascades. 03:05:16.352 -- and how it can be improved. 03:05:16.352 -- Thank you. 03:05:23.871 -- Okay, up next is Rhonda. 03:05:30.832 -- Hi, my name is Ronda Larson Kramer. 03:05:30.832 -- First off, I want to recommend an amazing podcast called Reconnect America. 03:05:36.111 -- It is about the history of rail and the future of Love it and you will love it as well. 03:05:44.239 -- I recommend Reconnect America. 03:05:44.239 -- Next, I want to respond to the idea that rail is somehow solving a different problem from aviation. 03:05:55.239 -- It isn't. 03:05:55.239 -- It's the same problem. 03:05:55.239 -- How to move people efficiently, affordably and sustainably. 03:05:55.239 -- Aviation comes with noise and pollution, long security lines, and no legroom. 03:06:08.512 -- Rail by contrast connects city centers, reduces emissions, and provides reliable service for the very trips where planes are least efficient, the 100 to 500 mile route. 03:06:22.208 -- I've also heard the claim today that mountains make high-speed rail impractical in Washington state, but that is also not the case. 03:06:27.327 -- Japan's Shinkansen's mountain ranges, Europe's systems run through the Alps, and China has built high speed rail through terrain far more challenging than the Cascades. 03:06:39.968 -- The technology is proven. 03:06:39.968 -- We know how to use tunnels, bridges, So, let's be clear. 03:06:52.111 -- High speed rail is not something separate future advocates dream. 03:06:59.111 -- It's a direct solution to the same transportation problem we're facing with aviation. 03:07:05.111 -- If we invest in it, we'll join the rest of the world in giving people a cleaner, more efficient choice. 03:07:12.111 -- Thank you. 03:07:20.943 -- Good afternoon, this is Luis so I'm the fairs director for all aboard C3 non-profit. 03:07:38.943 -- I am certainly glad to hear all the discussion about rail here today. 03:07:44.144 -- As a former representative, Vice Chair of the House Transportation Committee, along with my colleague, Jake Fye, he goes to my interest in passenger rail. 03:07:55.263 -- But as we all know, this work group was put together to look at the information as the representative has reminded us. 03:08:03.551 -- Pippity with rail, of course, is extremely important. 03:08:03.551 -- I am very glad that that discussion is in place in your work group. 03:08:12.272 -- I just wanted to add one thing. 03:08:12.272 -- Somebody had asked a question before why would someone spend two days on the train from Chicago to Seattle? And I think that adding to my friend Gary's remarks that there is data from Amtrak that I've Of the riders on the empire builder do the whole route that most of these are the city pairs between smaller distances a couple hundred miles here and there and look at a lot of the rural area that the Empire Builder covers this is extremely important that they have that service because they've got to go hundreds of miles just to get to an airport. 03:08:52.847 -- and not even a major report at that. 03:08:55.587 -- The other benefit, of course, to Washington State is that this long distance route, which is currently being studied by the FRA and washed out is a partner in that study, will go a long way to addressing a promise that the state made 32 years ago to have passenger rail service to Eastern Washington. 03:09:15.528 -- And once that service through the North. 03:09:18.031 -- High O'otha was canceled by Amtrak back, I think, in 1980 or so. 03:09:23.332 -- So, here's an opportunity where if that long distance service picks up at the expense of the federal government operating and building it, that we would then get that specific service that was expected back in 1993 and in statute now, the other thing that I'm keenly aware passenger rail get to a limp when I was a legislator is that the times don't work, but there are additional Service coming up in the future and the time it takes to get the c-tech wait around through security Get on the plane and fly to Portland. 03:09:59.087 -- Let's say, you know, is not much different That we got on The train at King Street Station and went down that way So most people don t seem to know that or understand that they think it's faster on than the plain Yeah, once you get on to plane I just wanted to point out, I love the fact that you're looking at these intermodal connections, passenger rail in the city, and things like that. 03:10:21.440 -- And it's important, your discussions about, you know, recommending how the next better aviation place, that looking, at making motor connections extremely important to keep that in view, because people have to get to the airport. 03:10:42.208 -- Then there has to be some other public service available for them to get the report if that's just a mode of transportation available to them. 03:10:48.128 -- Thanks again for letting me speak. 03:10:58.128 -- Okay, um, that is Nicole. 03:11:03.567 -- Hi, good afternoon. 03:11:03.567 -- How are you today? Okay, perfect. 03:11:11.343 -- Thank you. 03:11:11.343 -- At least I occurred on the cold BLECA. 03:11:11.343 -- I work with the headquarters Air Force military civil aviation integration division. 03:11:16.224 -- Um, I know the idea of joint use of McCord was a discussion point earlier today. 03:11:21.263 -- And I knew it has been brought up in previous meetings. 03:11:26.543 -- Each military service has a process for evaluating joint. 03:11:30.959 -- proposal and navigating joint use for the Air Force, the process to initiate consideration for joint uses of an air force airfield requires that a formal proposal must be submitted to the installation. 03:11:44.335 -- commander by a state or local government agency eligible to sponsor a public airport. 03:11:49.216 -- I would say from the Air Force perspective at any location we would not be able to take a position on joint use until we receive a formal proposal and we're able to evaluate and determine feasibility as it pertains to military operations. 03:12:01.536 -- A request at a joint base like Joint Base Lewis McCord would be handled slightly differently But as it was noted in the agenda items earlier, if there is a request for additional information or briefings from the DoD, it is recommended to reach out to the doD leaders and make an official request with what specifically is being asked or what additional information is required. 03:12:22.615 -- I appreciate the opportunity to speak today. 03:12:25.615 -- Thank you. 03:12:39.920 -- Can you hear me? Okay. 03:12:39.920 -- Yes. 03:12:39.920 -- Okay, great. 03:12:39.920 -- Um, I wasn't really going to speak today. 03:12:39.920 -- I didn't have any prepared notes, but once viewing the rail presentation, which was really great and especially great to see it at a car meeting. 03:13:09.167 -- on that we don't that. 03:13:09.167 -- We have two problems that need solve. 03:13:09.167 -- I think we have a problem that needs to be solved and that's moving people and goods, you know, everywhere they can go. 03:13:13.087 -- And when you talk about things like train stations, they're low impact. 03:13:19.968 -- When you talked about an airport that needs built or expanded even, now that, we know the kinds of particulate pollution that It's not going to be easy to build an airport. 03:13:34.319 -- As you know, there's three of us at least on here from Thurston County, who I think we're all involved in the CAC process. 03:13:38.079 -- In fact... I had some very spirited good emails back and forth with Rob Hodgman during that process. 03:13:48.811 -- And I think that, you know, you're not going to get airports built these days. 03:13:54.332 -- They're very, very invasive, aggressive, loud, and polluting. 03:13:58.371 -- And so train stations are wonderful for moving people. 03:14:03.111 -- You can build them fairly quickly. 03:14:04.711 -- You could have new routes. 03:14:06.012 -- You have a new cities that get serviced. 03:14:08.976 -- Moving people on the ground and moving freight on the Ground is the future. 03:14:14.095 -- It should have been our future a long time ago. 03:14:16.736 -- I've traveled over 60 countries and not one that I have been to and many are much less developed than us. 03:14:24.656 -- Not one I had been too didn't have a developed rail system that moved people and it moved all sorts of people everywhere, every direction with all kinds of terrain. 03:14:34.415 -- So I really want to be a proponent for rail here, and I also want to say one more thing. 03:14:39.656 -- And that's that you have a generation coming up that I think have a lot more anxiety for a good reason than many of the generations that have been servicing over the last, you know, last few decades with aviation and rail. 03:14:52.896 -- And I think a lot more people are making the choice to want to stay on the ground. 03:14:57.536 -- I have a 26 year old friend who just took the route from Seattle or from all the way to New York City just to see her family because she is too anxious to get our That's true for many people I know personally. 03:15:12.495 -- So I think we're increasing a time where people really don't want to fly as much. 03:15:17.456 -- And I want options that are safe and environmentally sensitive, environmentally sustainable. 03:15:25.376 -- Climate's a big huge issue now. 03:15:26.855 -- People don''t fly because they don''t want to get an airplane for the climate impact. 03:15:34.015 -- You have a lot of different issues coming together, but rail is the way to move people. 03:15:37.695 -- I really encourage you to coordinate this agency, this effort, this work group. 03:15:45.007 -- with, you know, Wishtots absolute state plans so that we focus on rail really moving people and air being something that obviously continues but done in a much more progressive and limited way and you definitely be taking quite a bit of impact off of the airports, the mega airports that exist if you had rail that could move them instead. 03:16:14.592 -- Thank you. 03:16:15.592 -- Thank You all for participating and as a reminder that most of the public can always leave a public comment on the website under the contact tab. 03:16:25.592 -- So this concludes the comment today and I'll turn it over back to Evan. 03:16:29.592 -- Mr. 03:16:29.592 -- Chair, before we talk about today's just a couple of points I heard from some of the comments. 03:16:38.592 -- I think it would be worthwhile for either. 03:16:41.424 -- There are results when we bring it on board, or if the capability is easier for someone from Alaska to pull out all of the study information from the previous look at this, because while I'm hearing there appears to be a little bit of a misunderstanding of what the problem is for some. 03:17:01.167 -- The analysis that was done is very credible. 03:17:01.167 -- It's not made of stuff. 03:17:06.768 -- It was full actual numbers. 03:17:06.768 -- Is it the majority? So if you're solving a CTAC over the fasting problem, the majority of those travelers are domestic. 03:17:13.327 -- So there's concern back when deciding of a new brain failure. 03:17:17.808 -- I think we're just doing international. 03:17:21.407 -- Okay. 03:17:23.247 -- It is not. 03:17:23.247 -- When we look at the percentage of travelers' flights, The privilege of travelers that fly between the Seattle and Puerto Rico BC is relatively small. 03:17:36.495 -- The percentage of travellers that flies from central Washington, listening to Washington to CTAC or connect to the CTAG is relative to school. 03:17:48.255 -- What we're solving for the vast majority of the travelers are origin, destination, Seattle, They're not going to the other side of the country, and so I think if someone can access that data, it will clarify because I love the idea of rail, too, but I do agree with Red Five. 03:18:15.463 -- That's the same problem we've resolved before. 03:18:17.863 -- Yes, I agree as many of these speakers, rail between Seattle and Portland, absolutely. 03:18:28.495 -- it's going to take decades to get that kind of real system. 03:18:31.855 -- So that's my first thought, is it going to be worthwhile either for someone and watch the dot, reach out to themselves as they don't have the information or when we get ourselves an underwear. 03:18:43.136 -- So we can be very clear that the problem we're solving for is, oh, in DC, I don´t confess to crap. 03:18:50.216 -- The second point is this is just anecdotal. 03:18:52.175 -- When we. 03:18:53.072 -- We're originally we're considering report field as possible opportunity doesn't really impact the army This this notion of a public entity was just a conversation that we've had and it's best practice That's the best public identity to grow a whole and operate an airport is a port district He's a four district he's important district That's the best entity. 03:19:18.144 -- So as we explored, well, where if we were to do some kind of joint use of a court field Who would be the vast entity? Nobody had a conversation with them. 03:19:27.824 -- So this is just kind off the cuff. 03:19:27.824 -- It'd be a four-time I can comment. 03:19:32.623 -- I may disagree slightly that I don't believe a fourth district is necessarily the past I think it is a very good one But I believe it's true the true best management of an airport is probably an Airport Authority that has pointed it by the city, the county, the state, however they form that are members of that community that manage versus just a port authority, I think. 03:20:00.208 -- It's a slightly different, but I believe something specific for managing if that is the, and I don't think that's where we're at, I just don t want there are other bad news of managing that could be better than the port. 03:20:13.487 -- That's probably my experience. 03:20:14.768 -- I agree with that. 03:20:16.255 -- Just from the basis of it, I mean, it's just we'll probably need to teach you guys if you're interested here for the process. 03:20:23.656 -- Mr. 03:20:23.656 -- Chairman, I'd like to also agree with that having worked at board authorities, city authorities and airport authorities. 03:20:33.216 -- By far, the best operation that you can find and you can go across the United States and possibly the world find that an authority is. 03:20:44.191 -- without any question the best way to operate it. 03:20:44.191 -- Sometimes it doesn't fit within the city or the environment that you're working in a particular place. 03:20:50.191 -- But the authority is by far the best. 03:20:56.432 -- And just one more comment I'd like to make. 03:20:56.432 -- I think we need to go back and remember what the gentleman from CTAC said. 03:21:01.791 -- His problem is within in the next five years. 03:21:01.791 -- We're talking Real is working everywhere, but it's not going to solve CTAC's problem within the next five years. 03:21:20.927 -- If you think that you could build an airport, it takes a long time. 03:21:25.327 -- Look at the central high-speed rail in California, look at the cost, and it goes, eventually when it opens in another four or five years from Modesto to central valley. 03:21:33.888 -- And I don't think there's a lot of people are going Someday, not in my lifetime, probably not at anybody that's seated at this table, will not see that go from San Francisco to LA. 03:21:53.272 -- Yeah. 03:21:54.272 -- James, look, I will be waiting for him. 03:21:57.912 -- I'm just one other comment because I hear this from some of the board members that they just think, we're going to get this consultant on board and all our prayers are going at the answer. 03:22:10.863 -- If we make a selection, they have to negotiate with agreement. 03:22:15.744 -- They have come to a meeting, speak with us, get on board, like the first meeting we have in that. 03:22:21.744 -- They're not going to know anything. 03:22:22.744 -- I mean, you know, we're going know the basics, but this is going take some time to get them up to speed. 03:22:28.343 -- So, please don't think we just get a consultant and bang their experts and it's over with the done. 03:22:34.103 -- I think that's unfair expectations to set for whoever comes in this assault I did. 03:22:40.335 -- there's a process to get them on board and I might be shocked if contracts are signed through consultant and state by the next meeting. 03:22:46.976 -- Mr. 03:22:46.976 -- Chair, this is Charlie. 03:22:46.976 -- I'm confused a little bit and i just want to have a bit of clarification. 03:22:54.575 -- Part of our charter is not to decide what type of airport management structure or is it? Is that what we're talking about too? Because we just talked boards, authorities, managers, is that a topic as well? I'm curious, because I didn't think that was what we were after. 03:23:14.896 -- I mean, I just was looking back at our statutory charge from the 20.3 and the 3.5 bill, and this really open-ended to make recommendations. 03:23:31.711 -- there are no more public commenters. 03:23:31.711 -- I know, right. 03:23:31.711 -- So we moved into the set next meeting and adjourned, which is sort of, are we? And so, this is where to answer your question, Greg. 03:23:47.791 -- I think, you know where we get to that point that I think is suggesting that we'll have public entity with, I think there's a lot between here and there. 03:24:01.263 -- And it was nice to see if, you know, the consultant would all be helpful, but you're right at any time. 03:24:10.863 -- It's definitely not going to be okay, and this process should still be driven by the members of the group. 03:24:17.263 -- And we'll be consulting that set. 03:24:19.263 -- This is still changing into research in between meetings, as opposed to being a driving bus. 03:24:27.263 -- We'll then just speak for Mr. 03:24:28.863 -- I think he was more geared towards navigating the communication or for the process of short-day salism accord and having an entity correct that is saying that we are going, we would like to do this. 03:24:42.744 -- We can't do that. 03:24:43.904 -- So I, I'd think it was just bringing that up, which that's so I did far. 03:24:47.943 -- I mean, that probably one of the last things that was going to come out of this, if it comes out. 03:24:53.943 -- But that that, is how I get okay. 03:24:55.943 -- Yeah. 03:24:56.943 -- Somebody's got to ask. 03:24:58.592 -- Right. 03:24:58.592 -- I was surprised to get people out of time from sometime. 03:25:05.152 -- I mean, parents speaking in some of the different hats, they were helpful. 03:25:08.191 -- It's frequently offered. 03:25:10.272 -- Yeah. 03:25:10.272 -- So, I think we should set the date for our next meeting, and then we shouldn't talk about what we want to talk about there. 03:25:20.031 -- There are several suggestions already. 03:25:23.711 -- Let's look at the calendar. 03:25:38.319 -- Mr. 03:25:38.319 -- Chair, are we looking at October and November? It's supposed to be the report. 03:26:07.951 -- We would alternate between in-person meetings and hybrid, but I'm kind of thinking that if we actually have a consultant on board by November, perhaps we have to consider having a new person meeting with them. 03:26:23.951 -- Yeah, I think that's a good idea. 03:26:23.951 -- And, yeah, you also mentioned that. 03:26:36.528 -- Mr. 03:26:36.528 -- Chairman, I'd just like to comment on something that was mentioned earlier. 03:27:05.263 -- whether we have that signed by the end of November, I think knowing the way that these things go will be very lucky if we can do it and have them available by the in the November. 03:27:17.904 -- So I would hope we could shoot for having it done by the into November and maybe our meeting and I do know that Boeing Field has offered yes that we might do it the first week or the first couple of weeks of December because I don't think we'll have them on board if we do much earlier than that. 03:27:40.000 -- And Mr. 03:27:40.000 -- Chair, this is Charlie, I'm jumping in again, but I agree with the ORIS. 03:27:43.920 -- I mean, if if, we have a selection in October, we still have to go through a, you know, they got to build a scope, they've got negotiate the P, come to terms, and I doubt that's going to happen by the next meeting. 03:28:01.904 -- I'm going to have a topic where there's mixed meat in order for some other time. 03:28:07.064 -- We're building knowledge. 03:28:09.023 -- I haven't talked about a few years ago. 03:28:10.384 -- I was just talking about it. 03:28:11.623 -- Rail. 03:28:13.343 -- I think someone from the FDA talked about their space in the greater Puget Sound region. 03:28:17.943 -- They're going very, very helpful. 03:28:19.543 -- That's a pretty substantial constraint that I'd think would be helpful for this group. 03:28:23.664 -- Dan, for all of the folks online, about where we've become aware of its. 03:28:30.159 -- It's almost insurmountable in Western Washington to be a Twitter space. 03:28:34.780 -- So I have that on my list of possibilities for let's so what if we shot for instead of mid November ahead Thanksgiving, what would be shot or something like Wednesday, December 3rd? I thought we were doing Tuesday to Wednesday the 2nd of no I'm just because for me Wednesdays Tuesday, Tuesday the second. 03:28:59.216 -- Tuesday. 03:28:59.216 -- The second? Oh, I think that would give us the best chance of having somebody if We're gonna have someone at least will be selected and they could set in the room and participate then and listen Anyone else have thoughts about Tuesday is that percent? Yes I'm a little approval Anyone outside line That trickily good or quickly bad Your location So we'll get Set the date, so let's say to choose this I have a motion to approve Tuesday December 2nd So moved Do we have a stake, do we need to send a second? Now, location. 03:30:05.768 -- I think the idea of having, if we're shooting, we'll try to have a consultant on the board by then, having a person with them, make sense. 03:30:14.087 -- And I also think that if we can take that Boeing field on their offer, if they're available that date, then it's central. 03:30:24.368 -- If there are any consultant coming from somewhere, That makes sense the thoughts on that So wild since we don't know for certain Why donít we pencil in the idea of going a piggy and boy field on their upper and I'll have to ask you a follow-up with What damage is back on I miss you chair I'm talking to them now and they said that somebody from the cog had asked about hosting it here at Boeing Field and responded that they could host. 03:31:01.440 -- So yes they can host a Boeing field. 03:31:09.680 -- Okay great. 03:31:09.680 -- And then just as another note I know that beta technologies have their electric plane there last month and are looking to come back to Boeingfield for a demonstration in November can come around that time because the cog will be there for the electric plane demo. 03:31:32.592 -- Back to the horizon online list, so that's how we can read it. 03:31:40.272 -- We have a working part of this in the diagram. 03:31:40.272 -- I've been a little bit shooting at this problem. 03:31:45.311 -- I don't know if each other talks about it, but technology is interesting. 03:31:58.896 -- So, who could make it ask about doing the FAA airspace? Oh, presentation. 03:32:11.896 -- Can you leave that to Ann? If she can't. 03:32:14.896 -- Yeah, I think Ann should do that. 03:32:16.896 -- She can. 03:32:17.896 -- I don't know what washout can or can do. 03:32:19.896 -- But if she cannot do it, she could let us know. 03:32:23.896 -- Yeah. 03:32:29.520 -- And then the five items I had are potentially for December. 03:32:35.260 -- Newton's all been grown, electric and alternative fuels, aircraft, tank, potential electric plane, and all that's a airspace presentation. 03:32:48.020 -- I watched that, read out reports, the good and presentation on the screen. 03:32:51.940 -- Probably the first quarter of 20, 26 to that. 03:32:56.304 -- Just because the state of rail plane comes out then, okay, and then actually just replying purposes, there's two different divisions that were washed out and involved in that because the high-state rail stuff is in separately, for the rail freight and boards, who take those conventional rail off. 03:33:29.520 -- Was that the public comment yet? No, the presentation that was done earlier about how the different small airports potentially can get a system. 03:33:39.959 -- And it just seems that, I mean, I'm curious if there is some kind of collaborative research or entity that can actually say, you know, what's the feasibility of doing such a design? We're just finding a group that can do that kind of study. 03:34:03.536 -- Maria, are you questioning whether or not some of these airports would be eligible? Or is that your question? No, I'm not there yet. 03:34:11.695 -- I was intrigued by the presentation that there are these small airports that can collaborate and take on smaller airplanes and electric planes. 03:34:21.136 -- And it seems like a long-term vision. 03:34:25.647 -- And I had to ask if there is a coordinated planning group and the answer was no, not yet. 03:34:32.647 -- And it seemed that we can give them time to come back to us and say, oh, have you identified some kind of a planning entity and my guess is that whatever that planning entity would be would need some assistance from the legislature because our horizon to get our report out as much shorter. 03:34:54.543 -- then that kind of work. 03:34:57.543 -- I can tell you that we do a part of you with five other airports and technologies to create a micro electric aviation system. 03:35:21.871 -- But it's very much organized from the bottom up and to really coordinate with all of the partners that are in the airports, it is going to need a sort of state level collaboration and assistance. 03:35:36.432 -- And simply because at the airport we have full-time jobs and we're busy with the busing, and listening to these two guys talk today, we are busy in a bus just like me. 03:35:50.832 -- I'm gonna fly now Just gonna apply now. 03:35:53.231 -- Yeah, they've technologies without you to shave us We can do it. 03:35:57.711 -- Oh, sorry Did you just do Yeah that's fine so that sounds like Not some not a presentation that we could put together by December but So we keep in mind Well, I say we're in the legislative session to build it pushing right now, and some of my other roles, we're already working on a bill for something unrelated, but this is the time that if there's an interest that we gain to speak with the legislature, this isn't when we have to start getting the ground gained together, getting in the coalition together and getting your message and finding the I appreciate that. 03:36:50.479 -- Thank you You can absolutely write the moment if we want to try to add to our Could be three pre substantial items for the December agenda Hey, mr. 03:37:08.879 -- Chair, sorry Boeing field cannot host on that day they can do it a different day that week or the next week They have their tower sighting that they So, the DC people will be in there, they wouldn't have the space. 03:37:23.343 -- So if there's a different day they could host it or the next week, but they cannot host on that day. 03:37:32.343 -- December 9th. 03:37:48.736 -- that is better. 03:37:48.736 -- Do you say the nine? We did a ninth work for the other. 03:37:48.736 -- Any other members have spoken up? Check it. 03:37:55.536 -- Works for me. 03:38:04.095 -- There are four possibilities. 03:38:04.095 -- The airport said yes, that the ninth works for them. 03:38:11.615 -- Okay. 03:38:11.615 -- We'll make that work. 03:38:11.615 -- Okay, all right, go ahead and motion to rescare the first seven Don't move. 03:38:20.031 -- I'll second. 03:38:22.031 -- All favor. 03:38:23.031 -- All right. 03:38:27.031 -- Okay. 03:38:28.031 -- Well, I did think what we had to do is. 03:38:37.031 -- Let's keep the three items and then we'll flush out again as soon. 03:38:49.136 -- Those are could be three points national analyst 30 Any other thoughts on our agenda for December Here Yes, so we do an RFQ consultant, but if we we did an RQ, okay Right. 03:39:18.208 -- We don't have the scope yet. 03:39:24.208 -- Well, we haven't seen the word that the offers responded to. 03:39:31.208 -- So I think now our cast is to review those offers. 03:39:35.208 -- So we're in scope and feeding. 03:39:37.208 -- We're not there yet, we are not them yet with. 03:39:40.208 -- We just. 03:39:41.695 -- We're going to interview or we're gonna shortlist and then interview after the short one selected, then we do a scope of work to match the fees that are available and then, we have a scopa work with fees. 03:39:50.495 -- That's not going to happen before December. 03:39:55.695 -- While their attorneys and washed out the terms are going to come up with an agreement, I just don't see it. 03:40:01.695 -- I guess I was proposing that as we continue to walk on this path and acknowledge it may refine our statement of rehearsal. 03:40:09.551 -- And it may be worse above that discussion with the next meeting on new things that we've, you know, the things we want to take off. 03:40:18.551 -- These that really want. 03:40:20.551 -- I mean, I, we, we have gone down this path. 03:40:21.551 -- We've submitted it. 03:40:23.551 -- We got responses. 03:40:24.551 -- We can't be changing things since it's already after. 03:40:28.551 -- If we read or we're negotiating scope. 03:40:32.551 -- I think you can make some, some tweaks in the scope, but change things right now. 03:40:39.072 -- We need to wait review and then negotiate with the selected candidate. 03:40:39.072 -- I still think it's there's I think where there is even that hasn't changed at this point. 03:40:46.111 -- So we get somehow bored and negotiating. 03:40:52.352 -- So any reason different terminology but to me, we would have a contract that they would offer. 03:41:00.512 -- Then we will write some task orders. 03:41:05.487 -- under that contract to ask them to do specific things for us. 03:41:09.528 -- Well, generally, so we're going to get a proposal that tells us about their company and how they can meet the scope of work. 03:41:18.247 -- Like for the proposal we put out, we grade them. 03:41:24.087 -- We shortlist or we short-list everybody, they get an interview, someone has thought of it. 03:41:34.000 -- Because you don't negotiate that. 03:41:34.000 -- So then that's where they come back with the soap and feed we work on that soap And feed then there's an agreement that we did Gary it's a little bit different than your FAA stuff that you've worked on where you know you have co-tar and you have a you have A big project a pot of money that used to task orders under This one will have a defined scope of work that the consultant will take care of And you know if we want to change that and that that's gonna be after the date It'll be extra fees or or that but it'll become scope a work with the fine dollars Anything else I'm going to take her. 03:42:34.816 -- Sir, second. 03:42:36.816 -- Second. 03:42:37.816 -- All right. 03:42:39.816 -- Okay. 03:42:40.816 -- Let's see who's listening to tower visit. 03:42:43.816 -- Three. 03:42:45.816 -- Recording stopped.