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Transcriptions are reference, search and assistive in nature only and are NOT an official transcript of this video 00:00:02.032 -- All right. 00:00:03.032 -- Let's get started. 00:00:04.032 -- Good morning, everyone. 00:00:05.032 -- Thank you for joining the Commercial Aviation Work Group meeting. 00:00:08.032 -- Work with members and members of the public. 00:00:10.032 -- Please be sure to sign in if you have it at the front. 00:00:13.032 -- There's a feature of public and a sheet for the members. 00:00:18.032 -- For the Members of a public in person, please remain seated in silence throughout the meeting and silence your phones. 00:00:23.032 -- There will be an opportunity for public comment after the lunch break. 00:00:28.320 -- to 1.35 p.m. and I will all be made between in person and online public comments. 00:00:34.399 -- Workroom members, please note there are no extra microphones in this room, only the OWL video and microphone system, so please speak loudly for the release of everyone to give you in-person and on-line. 00:00:42.719 -- For the public online, please take your microphone or video off throughout the meeting unless you're called on during a public comment. 00:00:52.463 -- Some kind of being can come with unique challenges, so I appreciate everyone's cooperation patients if any technical difficulties arrive. 00:01:00.304 -- If you have a comment or question, please speak freely or you can also use the handbrake button. 00:01:13.263 -- As a reminder, members of the public will be muted unless you are called on during public comment, in which I will unmute you to speak otherwise please be respectful during the meeting. 00:01:22.048 -- The emergency exit is in the corner of the room where you arrived, and the bathrooms are right to the right of that door. 00:01:29.048 -- Now, I will pass it on to Evan. 00:01:33.048 -- Okay. 00:01:34.048 -- Good morning, everybody. 00:01:36.048 -- Morning. 00:01:37.048 -- Morning, morning. 00:01:38.048 -- All right, so we have... We have a few items on our agenda today, and then our tour, which I'm excited about. 00:02:01.040 -- The first item is introducing new non voting members. 00:02:13.743 -- I suppose some mixed response on the, yeah, I don't know what you remember in my front. 00:02:24.984 -- I have the kind of emails that we've exchanged on that, we have results of that. 00:02:32.024 -- But someone else wanna summarize this, so I'm not on logging. 00:02:39.543 -- We got some acceptances, we got so declines. 00:02:43.008 -- And then we have some ideas about you. 00:02:45.008 -- Mr. 00:02:45.008 -- Chair, may I suggest that we do a round of that to judge us in general, of course. 00:02:49.367 -- No, sure. 00:02:50.367 -- Just for those that might be watching and those that are new to the table. 00:02:53.087 -- It's a good one. 00:02:58.168 -- I am Anne Richard. 00:02:59.367 -- I'm the aviation director with washed off. 00:03:01.768 -- And I AM a non-voted number on the card. 00:03:07.407 -- I've been working with the last airlines, managing director of their Burial State All right, well, welcome. 00:03:13.431 -- Thank you. 00:03:14.752 -- First, Dunham, Citizens' Representative, terms expired. 00:03:20.032 -- I don't have a question. 00:03:21.352 -- You're welcome again. 00:03:22.352 -- Yeah. 00:03:23.551 -- Good morning, artists, gals. 00:03:24.752 -- What a Seattle Aviation Division, what do you remember? All Right. 00:03:28.431 -- I'm Kevin Norby, let me say it's representative and the link to the charity group. 00:03:32.872 -- Alicia Crane, citizen representative and happy to be back in my old stomping grounds as I used to do on snowboard county airport commission. 00:03:39.912 -- So welcome! Gary Ward, I'm a citizen representing from the University of Washington. 00:03:41.231 -- I live in Yachom. 00:03:46.031 -- Marie Abati Ola, I am a representative from Statewide Environmental Organization called Trump and Center. 00:03:54.912 -- Well, where I suppose Bridgeview or Airport Director, Grant County International Airport, Port of Multislick. 00:04:05.951 -- And then our folks who are on remotely. 00:04:12.144 -- Sure, I'm butt-taffed. 00:04:12.144 -- I am the port representative. 00:04:18.184 -- Now on Adolph, and the Regional Transportation Manager for Yakima Valley Conference of Government, some a non-voting representative for the Eastern Washington Amperes. 00:04:28.704 -- And I will need to step out of the meeting at about 10.30 for another commitment for about a half hour. 00:04:44.975 -- I think we have at least a couple more members who are remote. 00:04:53.216 -- I, it's in a throbbing time with a commerce member. 00:05:04.336 -- Want to try that again? Right, you were cutting in and out a little bit. 00:05:09.295 -- Oh, sorry. 00:05:09.295 -- Is this better? That's better. 00:05:09.295 -- Okay. 00:05:13.279 -- I don't know what went wrong. 00:05:13.279 -- This is Robin Toth. 00:05:13.279 -- I'm the Director for Aviation and Aerospace at the Department of Commerce and field June 30th. 00:05:19.120 -- So, thank you for including me in this, and I'll let you move on to the next person. 00:05:43.504 -- Representing Dan and raising his hand. 00:05:43.504 -- Okay, so See that box it says okay. 00:05:50.783 -- Yeah, I'm in it. 00:05:50.783 -- Oh, okay, it just pops up late We wait for summer well, we can't wait to see that we're on across the top there who may be raising their hand or who might be represented Dan had his hand raised. 00:06:10.255 -- Okay, that you should be able to unmute yourself. 00:06:19.136 -- Good morning. 00:06:19.136 -- This is Representative Tom Dent of the 13th Lives Freedom District, tonight I'm from Moses Lake. 00:06:23.696 -- I will, you probably have received the letter yet, but I will be appointed to this committee and from the Speaker of The House. 00:06:28.175 -- Probably receiving Thank you Right Good morning, welcome So you may have to call the people who are remote because we can't see you all of who's logged in Yes, who you want Other members of the cock yeah Yeah, I wouldn't but that the only other one should have their video on that one else should be able to speak online, okay? Where you wanted to talk with well, there was I This polemo and then I saw Mr. 00:07:22.552 -- Reardon was logged in and there may be others. 00:07:22.552 -- I think that that zoom Everything is final man. 00:07:31.887 -- Everyone's in. 00:07:33.887 -- So Christina, I think he's just asking for people who are members of the group to introduce themselves. 00:07:39.887 -- Oh, they're online. 00:07:40.887 -- Yeah, i think they all did that. 00:07:42.887 -- Alan. 00:07:43.887 -- Buck. 00:07:44.887 -- Robin. 00:07:45.887 -- Charles. 00:07:46.887 -- It was the only four online forever. 00:07:48.887 -- We haven't heard from Charlie. 00:07:50.887 -- Yeah. 00:07:51.887 -- I don't. 00:07:52.887 -- He has ability to alleviate himself. 00:08:03.887 -- You may not be there, I haven't heard about those. 00:08:05.887 -- I'll just be self. 00:08:07.887 -- Okay, Mr. 00:08:07.887 -- Fuffa. 00:08:09.887 -- Okay. 00:08:10.887 -- All right, well welcome everybody. 00:08:11.887 -- Thank you for running with me. 00:08:15.887 -- Okay so we've had some non-voting members except their invitations. 00:08:21.887 -- If it's right off. 00:08:23.887 -- It's Richard. 00:08:25.887 -- And then we had a couple of declines. 00:08:33.567 -- Ms. 00:08:33.567 -- McQuarney, I guess, supports has suggested someone else might be able to line up somebody else in the PSRC. 00:08:46.008 -- Gary, you can hear me further on that. 00:08:49.607 -- I haven't. 00:08:50.607 -- I have. 00:08:51.607 -- But Christina has a long email where the person will be invited who's going to leave. 00:09:00.336 -- transportation planner from PSRC declined but also offered to provide some other name, at least one name. 00:09:07.495 -- So my suggestion is that we follow up with PSR C and ask for another nomination. 00:09:14.416 -- Presumably that would be a So I guess who has the action to do that should I do it or Christina Christina in front of me better. 00:09:23.327 -- Is that sorry? I'm managing Well, not now The question is can you reach out to PSRC to see if it would nominate someone else to be a non boring member? Yeah, because the person that we Invited depends decline But to me, I think PSRC has an interest in being the hundreds on this work group. 00:09:59.392 -- Yeah, do you have a certain email of someone like the email there? I'm sorry. 00:10:03.792 -- Do you had an email or contact there, you can email that? I can send you one. 00:10:08.511 -- Okay, perfect. 00:10:08.511 -- Yes, I could do that. 00:10:13.711 -- Okay. 00:10:13.711 -- And then we had had a discussion at the last meeting about between Mr. 00:10:27.984 -- Maristy and Mr Hodgren. 00:10:36.303 -- Yeah, we have a discussion about whether to invite Mr Hodgeman or Jim Coons from Manachi. 00:10:46.351 -- And my understanding is that Mr. 00:10:46.351 -- Crohn's is not responding after two attempts from Christina. 00:10:55.312 -- So my suggestion, Mr Chair, for me that we ask Mr Hodgkin if he would like to be an onboarding member. 00:11:02.152 -- And that's for the representative from director or something like that, that's important to that title, is Alicia, you might have it there. 00:11:17.488 -- I do not, but I can buy it out. 00:11:19.648 -- I think we invited Mr. 00:11:19.648 -- Coons because he's from Apache and he still values and so does Mr Hodges. 00:11:29.028 -- Yeah. 00:11:30.028 -- So I guess I make a motion that we invite Robert, I'll give it to you, and I'm going to answer. 00:11:37.307 -- Okay. 00:11:38.307 -- Second. 00:11:41.600 -- on motion. 00:11:41.600 -- So I hear a motion to those discussion to vote. 00:11:41.600 -- All in favor of the vitamins for hydrogen. 00:11:52.840 -- Opposed? Hearing none, motion passes unanimously. 00:11:59.240 -- Can you extend it in position Mr. 00:11:59.240 -- Hi. 00:11:59.240 -- If the Eastern Washington Airport representative not voting slot. 00:12:04.360 -- Mr Chair, a man's a couple of administrative Sorry, Christine. 00:12:11.975 -- I don't know. 00:12:13.975 -- One is what we'll be able to get an updated member list at Soundcoin in the same time. 00:12:23.975 -- I think I sent the last updated one recently, but I can send it again. 00:12:33.975 -- The last time I would love it, I send the member one. 00:12:40.399 -- going back to do something that Orange brought up. 00:12:44.960 -- Is there any update to our never-ending pursuit of figuring out the term dates for the existing members? Yeah, that's a great question. 00:12:55.879 -- I haven't heard anything from the legislature. 00:12:58.879 -- We haven t given us any feedback on that. 00:13:03.631 -- I'll follow up with you outside of this meeting that now that the new administration is in place that would like the excuses for them not cleaning it's not this over. 00:13:08.591 -- I'm being quoted online for saying it so if you would send me whoever it would be that you will get that update from, I will be more than happy to follow-up with them. 00:13:21.392 -- Are you talking about appointments, to bring up. 00:13:32.864 -- Oh, I didn't see that out here. 00:13:32.864 -- It's not on the it's on my notes for things to fill in TV. 00:13:43.104 -- Do we have an update? So, um, I guess we've one more, uh, catch a lot to remember to share. 00:13:48.384 -- Yes, yes. 00:13:48.384 -- I also had nominated Washington State Aviation Alliance, and he is deploying, I asked him to provide a name from someone else from the Alliance that might be willing to participate that I have not heard from him. 00:14:14.960 -- So I guess my suggestion is to suggest I who is also a member of the Washington State Aviation Alliance, conserved on the prior commercial aviation coordination committee. 00:14:42.879 -- Whether or not he's interested in it, I don't know, but he seems to be a logical candidate. 00:14:49.039 -- So, anybody wants to discuss that? Uh, in anticipation of this kind of decided who their representative was going to be. 00:15:05.375 -- And so the Alliance was waiting for this group to ask them, who will we send? Rather than to send a specific invitation. 00:15:11.375 -- So if we just reached out to the alliance and said, give up somebody, I think they're ready to go with that. 00:15:19.375 -- Okay. 00:15:21.375 -- Okay, so who has the action on that? Okay, there's a lot of you that's coming at me. 00:15:32.192 -- Okay. 00:15:33.192 -- Christina, can you contact the Orange and State Aviation Alliance and ask them to provide a member of the alliance that would be willing to participate in our group? Sure, yeah. 00:15:45.192 -- Yeah, at least are you tracking if you don't want me to email? I was not. 00:15:52.192 -- I think I mean, no, I would have not been tracking. 00:15:56.192 -- Someone please. 00:15:59.552 -- Okay, anything else we're going to talk about on the dividing non-going members at least at this meeting? I think we'll visit it beyond a going center. 00:16:11.371 -- Well, if I understood representing Dan correctly, we can expect a letter that would contain perhaps the four of the legislative nominees, and that's an excellent good point. 00:16:29.840 -- Is it going to be everybody or just yourself or from the house? I know that the figure was going put a letter out appointing me to the commission and I'm sure she will appoint the member from a Democrat caucus as well. 00:16:49.399 -- I can't answer for the seventh. 00:17:04.592 -- I can I'll read you the letter that I received it says I anticipate you receive a lab appointment signed by the speaker by mid to late June after Which you should receive further information from the group coordinator. 00:17:11.392 -- So That's what I know Turning to and this is my issue as you follow my own notes actually I had this question about appointments, the reports that there are updates. 00:17:39.375 -- So I am, after rounds of some rounds of email tag, I have scheduled a meeting next week with Megan Cotton of the Governor's Office to talk about the question of appointments to make it voting member slots and also reappointments of existing members. 00:18:01.872 -- the message to date that we should all expect to be reappointed and should continue participating even if our appointment is formally last. 00:18:06.511 -- But I plan on emphasizing the importance to, I think, the formal public process role or a group that if the legislature provided for us to The governor appoints us your particular term that we should be appointed for a term and then be reappointed if they want to make the terms longer so that it's less than if the district burden that's fine. 00:18:39.455 -- But if that I think that is important, procedural step. 00:18:47.695 -- And Mr. 00:18:47.695 -- Chairman, further to that, I think we had a discussion last meeting that it is inappropriate for members whose terms have been inspired to be voting, you know, his appearance of a conflict of interest. 00:19:09.423 -- So that's another reason that we need to have these terms reappointed members reappointing. 00:19:15.584 -- Yeah, so that is the, so there's nothing new new, yeah, but that, that the message in, it's all I can kind of have a meeting, I think it would be good. 00:19:28.703 -- Great to log in. 00:19:30.703 -- Mr. 00:19:30.703 -- Chairman, I think if we look at the list, at least two more, including yourself, go off next month. 00:19:37.703 -- Yes. 00:19:38.703 -- So we're going to be down to less than 10 members. 00:19:43.703 -- But according to my account, we will have four voting members as of July 1st. 00:19:49.703 -- Yeah. 00:19:50.703 -- Well, anyway, term hadn't been reappointed. 00:19:57.135 -- My term was really too much longer. 00:19:57.135 -- I really enjoyed it while it was there. 00:20:03.935 -- I mean, I have a meeting, or even I don't mean it, if a tree falls in the forest. 00:20:08.976 -- Thank you for your conversation. 00:20:11.935 -- And just so that everybody doesn't just lie on you, I would advise inviting others on this group to meet me. 00:20:20.271 -- one of the people who join me on that call, so that it's not just you and it shows a bit more of a united front on our part that more than these answers and we want them now. 00:20:25.152 -- I am not volunteering myself this time around, I'm stepping back. 00:20:29.951 -- But I think others on this work group would be more than willing to join you on the call. 00:20:36.432 -- Yeah, Mr. 00:20:36.432 -- Chairman, I wrote further and lengthy letter to the governor about this last week. 00:20:39.791 -- So I heard that they had and they would get back to it. 00:20:48.624 -- Great, great. 00:20:48.624 -- Anyone who wants to, I have a couple of times to talk to me about lunch or something, if you want to be part of the media for the We are at the discussion of the consultant RFP and the most recent version of Rode on it, I agree with that, but I think we may be a little bit have the card before the horse To be talking about an RFD at this point in time Since we haven't even established Exactly what it is. 00:21:59.392 -- We're gonna do and who's gonna. 00:21:59.392 -- Do it. 00:21:59.392 -- Are we gonna put our Yeah, that's him to help us I I'm not sure that I feel before I walk but i don't get to vote so you can do whatever you want Mr. 00:22:16.112 -- Chair, I'd like to ask Ann, since you proposed this RFP, in your opinion, to me, the way this RFQ reads is for it would be for a contractor who's a transportation consultant There's some lead time to do that, to get that organized. 00:22:49.928 -- So although I agree, you know, there's some holes in our direction moving forward, it seems to me we do kind of need to contract with someone that's an expert in transportation advice to help us along. 00:23:11.663 -- It ought to be a contractor that knows a little bit more than just aviation because our task is to consider other multi-level options also. 00:23:22.663 -- So, I kind of think for us that part of the purpose of this RFA is get someone that can code just what direction we should be going to. 00:23:37.392 -- There are plenty out there that want to do this. 00:23:37.392 -- I have been contacted by three of the big companies They said what are you guys doing? I don't know. 00:23:41.632 -- We don t know Maybe I shouldn't say that Represented that you should be able to unmute yourself Dear, thank you, you know I just wanted to give you a little insight to what's going on with the appointment process and such You know number one we have a new governor and which means we Have an entirely new staff in the governor's office and so Most of those folks there have never done this before, and so they're kind of coming up to speed on how this all happens and relying on talking to a lot of folks to make this happen. 00:24:15.423 -- I don't want to get out over my skis, but I have requested the governor some of the staff to take a look at this and see if we can't expedite some appointments on this committee. 00:24:20.784 -- So, you know, I know we all want get there. 00:24:26.064 -- We want this to happen nobody more than I do, they get their feet under them and learn how to do their job. 00:24:36.279 -- So that's kind of what's going on over there. 00:24:39.720 -- Thank you. 00:24:40.799 -- Thank You. 00:24:48.720 -- Did everyone get the recirculated draft RP with included a couple of red line comments? I think I could carry it. 00:25:02.832 -- But everyone received a chance to look at it. 00:25:04.672 -- Yes. 00:25:05.491 -- Yeah. 00:25:06.491 -- What's the date? I have not had that many photos. 00:25:09.071 -- What is it that I believe in? This is not a couple of times. 00:25:18.112 -- I know I've got it in front of the grid and I don't have it, it's going to work. 00:25:23.192 -- March 11th is the last one to do it and that same in my head. 00:25:32.256 -- May I? That was the second one. 00:25:32.256 -- I've sent it out twice. 00:25:32.256 -- Okay. 00:25:36.256 -- There's the same. 00:25:46.256 -- And there's not many changes that I proposed, just a few wording clarifications. 00:25:56.256 -- You broadened it in one spot, which I think is appropriate. 00:26:01.743 -- Yeah, the contractor must have a broad understanding of both air and surface transportation systems in major So I wanted to wipe it beyond just aviation I support that it's consistent I'm trying to figure out how to for you a copy of it, but even you're with the public, like if I need to put quite fine in this room. 00:26:43.951 -- Yeah, just public. 00:26:45.951 -- Yeah. 00:26:46.951 -- Okay. 00:26:46.951 -- And it just logged on. 00:26:47.951 -- Well, you have to accept the commission, but there's no password. 00:26:59.951 -- I guess I, I kind of am. 00:27:04.928 -- I mean, to me, of course, our previous is written broadly enough that we can get out there soliciting input and as we need to tweak the, what we're having to do for us and how we kind of do that, put it on the fly, but we should get it out there and start solicited input. 00:27:30.960 -- and I will both be in two weeks at a meeting where all of those people will be knocking on our door while we walk through the exhibit hall and they already have so we can certainly say here you know but we need to tell them what to do when they get a hold of them how to respond to it and I really had a question with all that's going on in our government for all the requirements back this about meeting certain requirements of different, I don't remember the initials that you have on there, that they have to meet so many veterans and minorities and women. 00:28:05.488 -- Is that still in existence with the state? The state isn't receiving any federal funding for this, so changes to the federal grant assurances and things like that, if that's what you're talking about, I didn't see a reference together. 00:28:27.471 -- It's Lee on the first page, and that might be clarified to, like, that the other, it's, Lee said, that my, how sensitive people are to having some feathers rubble and issues like that. 00:28:39.231 -- I'm really curious, are there any other languages we ought to put this in, other than the seven that are listed at the bottom, or? Then what's for you? That's Benjamin, not Brooklyn. 00:29:07.319 -- Ah, and Alaska, that's one. 00:29:18.319 -- Is anyone else sub-tive? I have a question, the answer is probably yes, but I just need to ask it. 00:29:40.976 -- So, my understanding is you wanted an art fee that is broad enough that whatever strategy you take, you can do it, and is it inherent understanding the state that the consultant can always subcontract? Okay, thank you. 00:29:55.976 -- Appreciate it The RFP would be the basis for us writing task orders to that contractor that might then require to think about some contractor or someone else to provide that different task with, right? Right. 00:30:16.215 -- That's kind of the way I see it. 00:30:17.215 -- Like legal advice. 00:30:18.215 -- Perhaps. 00:30:19.215 -- Or if the prime contractor would say, didn't know anything about rail, they could go out I had a question for you meeting when I posted to Ann again, now that we're all being, and by the way, welcome. 00:30:39.135 -- We did a round of introductions before we came in. 00:30:43.615 -- We had, we have some new members, do you want to know what I'm going to do yourself there? Yeah, sorry to be late and glad I found you all. 00:30:50.016 -- Allie Lee, and I am representing organizations in the community and did you have my background? Oh, yeah, that's it. 00:30:59.976 -- Yeah. 00:31:03.743 -- And with the question about funding for the RFP, do you want to share with a group or show me? Yeah, and this is a little convoluted, so I apologize for those of you that don't speak government every day. 00:31:18.144 -- But WashDOT does have a budget for this group to use to hire a consultant. 00:31:25.263 -- It's not enough to do probably everything we're going to need, but it's enough We just now, like last week, the governor signed a new budget, and so what they did is reappropriated the funding that we've had from the last fiscal year, so that's still available. 00:31:48.064 -- That's going to be in the ballpark of $700,000, which I think we're going need more than that, but that will be enough to get us started. 00:31:55.887 -- I have spoken several times with members of the legislature about the budget needs for this group and the Legislature will meet again next winter to look at, to make budget amendments. 00:32:12.228 -- So I told them that by that time this Group expects to have a consultant on board where we'll have the whole scope of work and we should be able to budget to know how much so that's kind of what we were shooting for. 00:32:24.144 -- The timeline now with the new state administration is that they're asking us to put together our budget request for January right now. 00:32:30.304 -- So, so we, like as a placeholder, I've put in another million dollars. 00:32:44.064 -- So we'll have in the ballpark of two million and if that is not enough, we will ask for more I think not contracted for things like this before, if my prior life, my expert witness requests were in the $10,000, so I refer to the people who are experts on this stuff to know if that's the kind of money we're talking about or if obviously we are not, we I think it's hard to know how much money we need if we don't know what we're doing. 00:33:29.352 -- That's kind of like 700,000, I can probably tell you that's not enough to do much of anything, but I don t know, what our scope is. 00:33:47.935 -- I think we need to be clear in the RFQ what we are looking for. 00:33:47.935 -- Are we looking for them to have a team member that specializes in rail? Do we want them to team members that specialize in highways? We just need to clear the RFP when we put it out so they can put the right team together. 00:34:06.816 -- Then every team that we will evaluate will have If they have good team members, that makes the team as a whole better. 00:34:14.335 -- So just think of that as we're what all do we want this to be, we can rush and get it out, but then we are not going to have a good product when we were done. 00:34:26.835 -- I think it's very important to think through the scope and make sure we have, a, good plan of what we, want before we move forward. 00:34:26.835 -- Thanks. 00:34:38.655 -- Having gone through this before in my federal government career there is once the RF He goes out on the street and and recognition that they have washed off works differently, but there's a process where People who are responding to the RFP can come in and ask questions Clarify through RFQ and then we as is a work group responded to all the offers to clarify that particular issue. 00:35:13.512 -- And this can go on for some period of time, depending on the complexity of the RFP. 00:35:18.512 -- Several hundred questions that they might have proposed. 00:35:22.512 -- You know, do I need to know how to fill the railroads? And we respond back to everybody that says, this is what we expect. 00:35:30.512 -- So, in that context, I think... At least in my opinion, I think the RFT we have here is a good starting point. 00:35:41.815 -- And then we go from there with questions and answers or broadening it out of clarification as necessary once we start getting responses and questions from the offerors. 00:35:53.735 -- Does that make sense? So, we've thrown out a couple of different terms here, RFQ and RFD, right, and RFP is a request for proposals, an RF Q is a Request for Qualifications, the washed-off process for this is to put out request of qualifications. 00:36:23.967 -- This is the team we've put together. 00:36:23.967 -- These are the qualifications we have to do this. 00:36:27.967 -- And you're exactly right then from there, then we can firm up the scope a little bit. 00:36:32.608 -- And there usually is your exactly right, Mr. 00:36:36.927 -- Wood, because I'm back and forth, like, can you clarify this? Or if I. 00:36:46.927 -- I am going to write RFQ and pick letters, try to refer to it by the correct At the previous meeting, as a representative of environmental, statewide organization, and I brought up this new act because of the health disparities, we have not, I have not submitted an proposal of language to our chair, so you can be considered here. 00:37:24.911 -- but we may have an overlay of the value of transportation connecting to health disparities and access and opportunities that won't help it. 00:37:32.192 -- So to me, that's having done that work and the impact on environmental justice in terms of land air is so long. 00:37:37.871 -- That's another chunk of change. 00:37:42.592 -- Right. 00:37:42.592 -- Thank you. 00:37:42.592 -- If I have, you would email me a question about legislative Done that research and I have a bunch of talk about when there are I kind of slotted it. 00:37:54.768 -- There are next steps So putting out an RFQ now we get initial submissions as well as questions and we can refine, we could start this process and kind of refine as it goes and that as we do that would perhaps address some of the concerns that Mr. 00:38:30.559 -- Taft was done and raised on about none. 00:38:41.519 -- And we have to start before we need to We need to get started before we can refine to then get to a finished product Where we have to let you to select a console that that's the process that I was envisioning because My feeling is it would be almost impossible to do a definite scope right now because This group needs to some Literature review and you know some education First to inform the next step so it'll be kind of an iterative process Then what else have thoughts on Whether we should well agree with the end of you We need some history here Some education if you will about the four years of work that the CAC C did That ended up with no recommendation So we don't want to go back and reinvent the wheel for another four years We need to pick up where they left off and See what kind of the legislature has given us We've given this room but somewhat of a broader authority Then the CACC head we have ought to take advantage that and start to consider What can we do In addition to building a brand new airport that nobody was the cascading things along So what else can we do? What are the other options? so I'm trying to keep my my own brain in line. 00:40:29.224 -- I just keep reading reading through our charter, sir, you're exactly that's exactly Where we are And I might add mr. 00:40:42.184 -- Chair, so there is the work of the CAC, so that's important. 00:40:48.684 -- PSRC has done a lot of work over the years. 00:40:53.123 -- There's also regulatory issues that I don't think have been realistically considered, like the Airline D Regulation Act of 1978, this group, or the Washington legislature, or in the governor, doesn't have the ability to tell airlines where to operate. 00:41:14.255 -- All of the discussion about where we build a new airport kind of leaves out that side of it is who's going to operate there? So I think there's a lot of that kind work that we've got to go through first and related to that You build an airport with federal funds. 00:41:27.335 -- You can't tell on your line. 00:41:27.335 -- They can operate they're It's just here. 00:41:33.615 -- We are in a field There's there so And so I might add, and this is maybe out of turn, and so, I apologize. 00:41:44.168 -- But if the state were going to invest money in solving this issue, then maybe is that investment instead of being in infrastructure, maybe it's incentivizing airlines to operate in a way that reduces the congestion and CTAC. 00:42:02.887 -- So I think there's a lot of different things to consider that. 00:42:06.735 -- Um, I want to make sure we don't head there on a path that closes other, other doors. 00:42:14.896 -- So we also watched on some while we were past two, and I forget that watching, I think it's just amazing that there's none of the past, too. 00:42:22.576 -- Thank you, Richard. 00:42:25.135 -- We were going to teach you our own porn. 00:42:25.135 -- So, yeah. 00:42:34.608 -- So am I clear? I'm sorry about it. 00:42:34.608 -- Oh, no, maybe I could say the same thing. 00:42:41.507 -- There's a couple things I I am hearing. 00:42:41.507 -- Are we saying that we would send out the RFQ but then work collaboratively on the scope of work with whoever? We're considering, I mean, there's things that are missing on here like the advancement of electrification and hydrogen that's coming up at airports and all of these other factors that aren't in here, community outreach and engagement. 00:43:03.248 -- How that then, you know, do they have those skills and abilities to really interact with the public is that what we're asking them to do as giving references back to us because they would be somebody else who people would then be connecting with. 00:43:18.032 -- Are we looking at the scope ahead of time before we release this or are we looking up and creating the skill collaboratively with the person or people that we're interviewing? That was my question too. 00:43:29.472 -- You just said it better. 00:43:36.032 -- I think if I can say it, I mean if you're going to hire someone and then say you are on board We have staff to sit down and be figure out what the scope is, right? And then we figure it out once we've made the contract once they've been selected, what they appropriate rates and everything out. 00:43:57.639 -- But we have to know ourselves what it's been asking for. 00:44:00.719 -- So I'm doing two different things here. 00:44:01.920 -- One, we had a body of work to do, but then people were not educated on the industry. 00:44:07.320 -- They don't really know what is that we're trying to. 00:44:11.079 -- So maybe we go back to, are we hiring someone to help us really? Put a frame up around, what is it that we're trying to achieve? Then you go out and hire someone to help you, technical stuff and everything. 00:44:23.463 -- Because right now I see confusion about it. 00:44:25.744 -- We've been creating quite a while ago, but we really don't know what our mission is, in terms of getting out of doing the work. 00:44:33.184 -- Except it's very broad idea of, give us some, if we were an advisor, we have no authority by the way, right? We have someone earlier on, so we had a broader, you have an authority, a advisory body rate. 00:44:44.175 -- But it seems like to me that we're not being ready to engage in any meaningful work, but to really put down on paper what is it that we ask someone to help us with. 00:44:54.655 -- Let's get the data. 00:44:57.695 -- Mr. 00:44:57.695 -- Chairman, going back to the original bill that established us, it said to evaluate the needs of a commercial aviation in the state, especially looking at what we... We're talking about hiring people, but what we need to do is find out what the needs are. 00:45:16.992 -- You know, who has asked Western Washington, whose asked Olympia, who's asked, you know various parts of Western Western, what their needs in aviation, are we going to be just setting back and say, well, we think we need something to help CTAC. 00:45:29.711 -- Well, that's ours, but there may be some other needs. 00:45:33.231 -- You know I look at the establishment of this and it looks like that we should be asking. 00:45:41.472 -- the communities, what it is they need, what do you need here as a community in air service? What do we need in cargo? What are you needed? Transportation is important, but it says air service, commercial aviation in our in charge now. 00:45:58.112 -- If we can find that a new highway might relieve some of the needs, that's one thing, but I think we have to look at what the needs are. 00:46:07.552 -- In this state, I don't think we should just, with Western Washington, because if we do, it goes back to, once you cross that mountain range, that's another country over there. 00:46:23.552 -- Well, we know it is anyway, but we donít want to make it look like weíre not even paying attention to it. 00:46:33.615 -- this group has to decide what the needs are that we have to look for and we could be asking this organization that, we hire what are the need and go out and do this work for us but somebody's got to do it. 00:46:47.536 -- So I was looking back here at the And I think kind of the key paragraphs or set of paragraphs. 00:47:07.755 -- And, I know, Anne may know who wrote this and may have put this, but it didn't get better on here. 00:47:19.255 -- So the contract result for this RQ will be to provide a variety of services and support with the silicate of one group K. 00:47:23.215 -- That's fine. 00:47:28.400 -- It's anticipated a contractor will not provide substantial research, but rather assist the workgroup in reviewing and understanding research that's already been completed. 00:47:36.400 -- The research on a good topic, such as airport master plans, regional aid, the planning spending, regional transition studies and airport sites, electrostatics. 00:47:42.920 -- So that covers a lot of, I think, what we've been talking about there, the pre-existing documents out there that got historically, we got, actually, a public comment that was circulated to everyone from someone who, appeared who was involved in one of the prior rounds of study of this pretty deep knowledge of events from 30 years ago. 00:48:05.952 -- And I thought that was illuminating and circulated, I think, was the 1992 study. 00:48:11.871 -- So it's interesting to read that, by the way, if the 1982 document and then look at how things are transpired in the interim, some of that anticipated project in this community. 00:48:27.632 -- Austin, Texas, for example, was that, built later, and how that worked out. 00:48:33.632 -- Um... So, they used to go for an error switch that's right. 00:48:39.632 -- Exactly. 00:48:39.632 -- In the 1992 document, they said, we think one of the solutions for Austin is to take over Bergstrom Air Force Base. 00:48:47.632 -- So... and then they did. 00:48:49.632 -- Um, when it was closed by the government on its own, by that way, not yet. 00:48:57.536 -- I'm going to shift the conversation just a little bit, still focusing on being a revive key. 00:49:06.536 -- Ripped before you, there's a few more points that I want to get through in this paragraph. 00:49:11.536 -- I diverged a bit. 00:49:14.536 -- So the contractor we were asking for, must have a broad understanding of both air and surface transportation systems and major metropolitan areas in the U.S. and worldwide, and both the comprehensive understanding of the US airline industry. 00:49:25.695 -- and FAA regulations and policies regarding airline and airport operations as a facilitator of the work group, the contractor shall recommend solutions using similar situations in other metropolitan areas and be able to provide pressure effects. 00:49:39.056 -- Then, as the working group reviews exist and get it, it may recognize the need for new research on subject matter briefings. 00:49:43.856 -- A contractor will provide this additional research during house resources and use of subcontractors. 00:49:48.416 -- Examples include law or service analysis, construction So there's, you know, small community air service, multi-modal transportation planning, and the work will rely on presentations from external groups, et cetera. 00:50:05.887 -- So I think we do have a bit of the framework of what we're expecting them to do now, and then what have anticipated asking them to be in addition. 00:50:17.887 -- It's not a great deal to detail, but I don't think it's enough to get started in that direction. 00:50:24.992 -- us paying to get started. 00:50:24.992 -- All right. 00:50:24.992 -- They're real. 00:50:31.472 -- Thank you. 00:50:31.472 -- So here we are with climate. 00:50:39.072 -- None of this speaks for knowledge about climate, about adaptive strategies, and so forth. 00:50:44.992 -- And so I want to build on what you were saying in terms of how we can portion and perhaps you need to call it out, you know, with a susceptible portion, just to facilitate it with community engagement to find out needs, and there is a climate impact and health impact. 00:51:07.016 -- The reason I bring that up is not to disrupt this process, but I'm looking at the product at the end, and we're gonna get a lot of resistance. 00:51:16.775 -- For example, if you set law that says, all cities should have climate plans. 00:51:23.184 -- We have to consider that, you know, we don't know what their analysis is of aviation contribution and transportation contribution overall to greenhouse gases in large. 00:51:34.184 -- So I think we'll miss the boat. 00:51:34.184 -- If we go integrate those components at the current work. 00:51:41.184 -- So we reduce the resistance to our recommendations near the end of the work, I just can add. 00:51:53.088 -- So I have a couple of recommendations to move this forward. 00:51:59.568 -- Just because I know that I feel like in every of these meetings we have the same conversation and it just kind of goes circular and it doesn't go anywhere. 00:52:06.608 -- So, I think one would be that we create a subcommittee that can die more into this and then kind drive this and come back with those recommendations so we can move We, you know, I think that that's necessary, so we're not consistently eating up time. 00:52:28.016 -- I'm not circularly talking about this. 00:52:31.536 -- And I would hope that some of the folks on this work group would volunteer to be on that to have very strong aspects to this, like climate, to be a part of that. 00:52:41.175 -- And then, too. 00:52:45.152 -- to do administration and their kind of cap keep up, but I'm still going to hone in on the fact that we've got to get to the issues with our terms rectified sooner rather than later because the one thing I don't want to see happen is to say the work being put in by those who are volunteering on this work group is somehow getting notified because they worked on something post their official term, even though we were very, very told to keep moving. 00:53:06.751 -- So I would just like to from something that's frankly basic to continue to move the work forward, which is really hate to see any of this time or work get nullified in some form, shape or fashion, because something was talked about by someone or voted on by some of them who was officially out of turn. 00:53:32.768 -- I think that is a good practical next step that my interest is what we call common interest. 00:53:44.304 -- I just don't want to continue to get lost because I know you've brought it up before, but I don think it's been captured in a way that, you know, I think I thought it should have some. 00:53:47.744 -- So that's all. 00:53:52.784 -- I want everyone to continuously kind of have the same conversation over and over it. 00:53:58.943 -- And there's a, there is a general we being said and we need to do this and we do that. 00:54:03.184 -- But who was that we? So I wanted to start, you, know putting some names around that E so that some responsibilities aside, so it doesn't just by default fall on Christina, who's, you know, doing all the other things. 00:54:19.695 -- But for us to be able to utilize our expertise for the reasons we've been appointed to put that work forward. 00:54:26.695 -- Can that make me want to feel like their time is being wasted at the same time? of the work that lies ahead of us in the different options that we might come up with. 00:54:47.552 -- I think we address those as we get into that particular portion of our work. 00:54:54.552 -- I don't see any reason to postpone the RFQ because we donít talk about climate in an RF Q. 00:55:08.815 -- what we were going to recommend, or what we're thinking about doing, and what the options are. 00:55:12.775 -- Because each of them will have some sort of climate impact. 00:55:17.376 -- So I'm going go back to my statement, which is smaller, actually, in terms of a possible solution, is that in the RFQ, we'll be able to just say technical, community engagement, and other impacts, climate and health. 00:55:38.047 -- I think if we simplify, we'll get in there and, you know, there's so much learning to do even before we get particulates the same things. 00:55:48.047 -- I just wanted to point out page 38, your handbook, the commercial aviation working group summary paragraph two, what we're required to work in group is required investigate the expansion. 00:56:05.648 -- These are required things that we need to do along with and maybe other items that we have in here to then have that full or even a starting scope of work because then they can kind of see the requirements water qualities by establishing greenhouse gas emissions goals, local planning, related growth management act. 00:56:27.088 -- Having those backgrounds of those is important for the person who then responding to the RFQ because of the fact that that is that's part of what our required work is to investigate these. 00:56:37.447 -- So you're looking at the final bill report of is HP's 1791. 00:56:42.347 -- Right. 00:56:42.347 -- H38 summary paragraph two. 00:56:53.527 -- I guess what I'm saying is we'll get there. 00:56:53.527 -- We'll do that. 00:57:02.320 -- I'm not sure we do it right here in the RFQ. 00:57:05.519 -- I think it's okay to put in an RFU. 00:57:07.920 -- This is the expectation for the workforce. 00:57:10.320 -- Yeah, I like it. 00:57:12.639 -- Well, my thought of where to have put it would be we have this list in middle of page two of examples of additional work efforts that may be required, including are not limited to, and we can put right there above air service analysis, a one line. 00:57:32.000 -- summary of, you know, climate and environmental impacts of. 00:57:37.000 -- Chair, I would recommend you put it in the background at the top of the RQ of who we are and what we're required to produce. 00:57:46.000 -- And it's not unusual to do this with RPS and RTS. 00:57:52.000 -- You can do both. 00:58:01.072 -- It's mine. 00:58:01.072 -- It doesn't hurt anything. 00:58:05.072 -- The offense is forward. 00:58:09.072 -- I'm all forward, yeah. 00:58:13.072 -- He, uh, somewhere in the back of my mind, I think that the case that remember remember, remember from a very first being that a big chunk of this bill was vetoed by Governor Inslee. 00:58:24.072 -- Yes. 00:58:24.072 -- I think this part of the bill report. 00:58:27.936 -- refers to a section of the veto. 00:58:29.735 -- But we also kind of all discussed and agreed that we could decide to kind use some of that veto language as a guide. 00:58:43.295 -- I kind of a guy. 00:58:44.056 -- Public people go what's the sector required? And this would be an example of it. 00:58:50.655 -- Yeah, because if you don't understand the gross management act for City County State. 00:58:55.135 -- Yeah. 00:58:55.583 -- And that's a problem with that. 00:58:59.583 -- So, where exactly have we landed? So is there a motion to take the paragraph that is at the bottom of page 38 of our handroads, which is from the final bill report of the SHP 71. 00:59:13.583 -- It begins with the workgroup is required to and ends with incompatible with operations or military installation. 00:59:20.583 -- And insert that into the RFQ. 00:59:24.655 -- Um, and, um, is part of the project, probably gives you the product, project description here. 00:59:33.655 -- There's a. 00:59:36.655 -- So we pick up where to put it. 00:59:57.264 -- probably right after the first paragraph, after region and in front of the work group, we'll get stuff. 01:00:06.344 -- Yeah, agree. 01:00:09.503 -- Okay, I got a motion. 01:00:10.423 -- Is there a second? Second. 01:00:12.103 -- Second, all in favor of amending the RFQ rafts to insert that paragraph. 01:00:19.184 -- Say aye. 01:00:20.103 -- Aye, ayes. 01:00:21.143 -- Opposed? All right, push and carry, say a yes, mrs. 01:00:27.440 -- With that a minute, anyone want a vote on adopting that it's RFQ and to put out through WhatsApp processes? Watch that, sorry, to then start soliciting input. 01:00:47.159 -- So that's it, second, all in favor? Aye. 01:00:54.559 -- Close. 01:00:55.559 -- Ayes. 01:00:58.351 -- Um, the voice vote carry, uh, has it, does the senator want to call for a recorded vote? No, I just, I didn't know if he wanted to know that it was me. 01:01:08.791 -- So I was just letting you know, then it's me, okay. 01:01:13.791 -- All right. 01:01:13.992 -- With the one opposed, um, uh the Voice vote carries in favor of adapting this RQ and putting it out for from rest for publication to its submission of property. 01:01:29.927 -- Mr. 01:01:29.927 -- Chairman, just I think for future concerns, we were worried about people thinking that non-members were voting. 01:01:38.927 -- I'd think maybe you should have. 01:01:41.327 -- No, that they just- Yes. 01:01:43.327 -- Members are voting, all right. 01:01:45.168 -- Because by saying yes, they don't know, you need to say it was only the members that voted for a call for attack of the Members. 01:01:54.496 -- As there's some of us here that can't vote, it's just the perfectness in the future. 01:02:02.815 -- Right, so I guess it is already done now, but in this or future, so a voting member would have to, if it was unanimous it doesn't matter. 01:02:23.327 -- called on the one no vote if they wanted a call for a recorded vote and they declined a calls for recorded votes. 01:02:28.847 -- So I think that that proceeds really important there. 01:02:38.447 -- Do you hear the attorney? I usually have the only vote in the hands. 01:02:52.768 -- That's it. 01:02:52.768 -- I judge myself. 01:02:52.768 -- Um, so, uh, all right. 01:02:52.768 -- Mr. 01:02:52.768 -- Chairman. 01:02:52.768 -- Yes. 01:03:00.768 -- Yes, this Charlie reared and I didn't introduce myself, I've been here. 01:03:00.768 -- Uh, I am a, a expired member. 01:03:04.447 -- And just for the record, I have not voted. 01:03:22.543 -- It's a great, you know, I think we'll see if we're you following closely enough with We probably have this this Yes, HP 1791 fill report in word format somewhere where that block of paragraph to be inserted into the RFQ I'm managing a lot here. 01:03:41.744 -- So okay If someone gives me this, this looks more like to my original recommendation that having a subcommittee that can be tracking this or it's not all the way. 01:03:53.264 -- Well, yeah, to simplify it, if you would like Mr. 01:03:53.264 -- Chair, I can consider that chair, but that may be great. 01:04:01.583 -- You got it. 01:04:01.583 -- You've got to somewhere. 01:04:01.583 -- Okay. 01:04:01.583 -- Thank you. 01:04:06.864 -- Process question, is this meeting being recorded? Yes. 01:04:09.824 -- So we vote perfect and we can all adjust. 01:04:09.824 -- It's all there. 01:04:09.824 -- Yeah, no questions. 01:04:15.119 -- All right, well, I at this point, we are at our presentation from a field report, which is good. 01:04:26.559 -- I was going to say today, is Mr. 01:04:26.559 -- Marcy, how are you doing? For anyone who doesn't know me, whether online or here in person, my name is Josh Marcy. 01:04:44.592 -- I'm the airport director at a paint field. 01:04:46.592 -- I've been at paintfield for about four years. 01:04:48.592 -- And prior to that, I was at the Port of Seattle down at CTAC for, oh gosh, five, six years, and then before that City of Austin, which is why I knew the Austin airport story, City Austin bought the Air Force Base for a dollar because they sold it to them. 01:05:04.976 -- for a dollar. 01:05:04.976 -- And then before that, I was with Memphis International doing some things there to do. 01:05:12.096 -- So I started my career as a janitor in aviation and here I am now, so I'm still cutting up. 01:05:21.135 -- But Painfield's been here. 01:05:21.135 -- We're almost 100 years old. 01:05:24.096 -- We've been, since the 30, we started out a public works project to create economy in this area. 01:05:29.536 -- This was actually the original what is today's CTAC, but because of war they turned it into a military base and made plans elsewhere. 01:05:37.391 -- Alaska was here a long, long time ago and they're back and so we're glad to have them, but we are going to talk a little bit about our master plan. 01:05:44.512 -- I'll give kind of a high level. 01:05:48.512 -- We'll have some questions and answers at the end of this. 01:05:48.512 -- This master plane was completed in 2014. 01:05:58.112 -- Did the whole process and finally finalized the master plan now when we look at this master plan, this is a plan so when you see pictures I'll kind of go into some of these things it doesn't mean we're gonna design the building the way we have it mapped out it just means in the future. 01:06:13.376 -- we think we're going to need a building in that area to handle whatever that function may be. 01:06:17.295 -- The FAA approves really two things in a master plan one. 01:06:17.295 -- They provide us the forecast and then they approve the airport layout plan because of air space restrictions and they just want to make sure that we are doing things properly without impacting a civil aviation 14 or 14. 01:06:39.407 -- Did you say 2014 or? 2024. 01:06:39.407 -- Okay, last year. 01:06:39.407 -- Yes, this is all online. 01:06:39.407 -- If you want to go read the hundreds and hundreds of pages that we have, you can go to paintfield.com, find the master and take a look at it. 01:06:55.447 -- And even during our commenting process, we, you know, whatever the rules are, you keep it open for 30, 90 days, we tripled those in certain cases. 01:07:03.447 -- We took comments that people emailed us outside of the commenting period and still included those as well. 01:07:10.688 -- So if anybody wrote the airport, any comment that they had was included in this. 01:07:15.807 -- So with that, we'll go ahead and move to the next slide. 01:07:20.208 -- So. 01:07:20.847 -- This is our forecast summary here and what we're looking at, you'll see PALs and we'll talk about those planning activity levels and so what this means for us is that these things will trigger us. 01:07:32.688 -- When we get to a certain number of passengers it means hey maybe you ran out of space or whatever that is it's going to trigger something else and these activity level are based off of the in 2019, so that's kind of when we started the master plan, so some of this is a little bit old, but still fairly accurate. 01:07:56.255 -- So we have about 140,000 ops here, and the operation is considered to take off or landing. 01:08:02.335 -- So playing plans and takes off, that is two operations, right? And so when you see the word operations that what we are talking about. 01:08:11.056 -- And then we break those up into different categories, so you will see general aviation and then of course we had base aircraft. 01:08:17.359 -- paint built the biggest airport in the state of Washington in terms of base aircraft for general aviation. 01:08:22.618 -- That number right there is probably a little closer to 600 now, so we do have that. 01:08:26.538 -- We are the fourth most populous general aviation airport, in this side of the Mississippi and 12th in a country. 01:08:33.260 -- So we And then of course we have, we're talking about our demand triggers, you know, these have different functions, runways, terminal width, and land side. 01:08:52.850 -- We're not just on the airfield, we've got a lot of things outside of the fence. 01:08:56.752 -- This building we are in, this is airport property. 01:08:59.152 -- All the buildings you can find us in these different parking lots, these are all airport properties, so they're tenants of ours. 01:09:05.032 -- And so anyways, The runway system that we have right now through the planning period is sufficient. 01:09:11.006 -- Obviously, we had a 9,000 foot runway and we don't think that we're going to have any capacity problems with that runway during any of this 20 year planning. 01:09:20.006 -- Next slide. 01:09:23.006 -- What we see right here, so this kind of talks about our capacity before we think we might need to make some type of move towards maybe expanding the terminal. 01:09:32.350 -- We think that's right around 2 million passengers, and we think this line right here is really about 2030. 01:09:38.430 -- So we'd think the demand's kind of trickling down from us around 2030. 01:09:42.511 -- There are some models, you'll see 2030 to 2034, where CTAC hits that capacity, and then we expect to see some demand come this direction. 01:09:52.270 -- And we know that a few years down the road, so our airport right now... is looking at these things. 01:09:58.087 -- What we don't want to do is be behind the eight ball when that demand shows up. 01:10:02.648 -- So we've got a plan for that now. 01:10:04.448 -- There's a lot of things we need to do as we move forward, environmental different types of things to make sure we get there. 01:10:10.448 -- So you'll start seeing the airport kind of moving. 01:10:14.416 -- to pave the way so that when this stuff hits here, we're not behind the eight ball and we are ready for it. 01:10:20.176 -- And also, were going to let the demand tell us what to do. 01:10:20.176 -- I'm not a believer of if you build it, they will come. 01:10:26.336 -- I believe that if they come, then you should build, but you shouldn't know they're coming and be prepared when they are. 01:10:31.695 -- I'll take questions at the end if that's okay. 01:10:34.095 -- So here we, are, so we kind of around 2030 and you think that around two billion passengers, that is when our terminal will hit that capacity. 01:10:40.975 -- Next slide. 01:10:43.376 -- And so here's our planning activity levels. 01:10:50.176 -- When we get, you know, PAO1, we're talking about there's going to be some type of activation mitigation for our entrance, our terminal roads, and then also some of our terminal taxes. 01:11:01.136 -- So that's on the air field. 01:11:03.416 -- We can end up planning activities level two, then we are talking You know, doing some expansion at the terminal doing somewhere for our general aviation area. 01:11:06.992 -- And we'll show you where those are later, but there will be some movement in that area and I'm planning activity level three, then you'll start seeing airfield improvement support and parking, different things that's going to be required as more near crash jobs at our next slide. 01:11:28.992 -- And so we kind of break our projects up into a couple different categories. 01:11:33.551 -- We have capital projects. 01:11:34.811 -- Those are big, big projects, multi-million dollar projects hundred million dollar project, you name it. 01:11:39.931 -- Those were mostly funded by the airport and the FAA. 01:11:43.652 -- So a lot of times when we do capital infrastructure projects on our airfield, it's a 90-10th match. 01:11:49.332 -- So the FAA paid for 90% of whatever we improve out there and then we have a match of 10%. 01:11:56.731 -- And so that's our capital project. 01:11:58.771 -- And then, we also have third party funding. 01:12:00.688 -- We have general aviation users, we have propeller who owns and operates the terminal here at our airport. 01:12:08.688 -- We had a lot of different interests at the airport as well. 01:12:13.688 -- Boeing is a huge partner of ours and so there's other investment besides just the government into our airports. 01:12:23.688 -- So here's our planning activity level one program you see here. 01:12:29.279 -- We're talking about their roadway here a moment ago. 01:12:29.279 -- Currently the roadway comes in here And then these are all labeled up here Just that's what you see here But this is our roadway and then this to help get more airplanes in and out of here many be a expansion of terminal ramp And there may be some more parking over here, but this like I said earlier Just because we have a drone here doesn't mean that's necessarily where it goes. 01:12:53.752 -- What this is, it tells us that, hey, airport, you're going to have this many users, you are going need X amount of more square feet, we think it ends up in this area. 01:13:02.471 -- This road could be designed differently, this taxiway could be design differently. 01:13:06.032 -- It's not a design. 01:13:06.952 -- So this isn't an actionable project. 01:13:09.551 -- You're describing those for those online. 01:13:11.431 -- Can you say the numbers of the projects instead of where you want to go? Oh, I'm just sitting next to Austin. 01:13:16.431 -- Yeah, so I'm talking about the roadway that's your G01 for G03 and then the taxi wave expansion is T01 and the remote parking is A02. 01:13:23.391 -- Next slide. 01:13:23.391 -- And so anything you see that is highlighted that orange or blue, this is new, okay, the black and white, that gray, that already is existing. 01:13:37.231 -- So we think in the future once we get the planning activity There's an additional, we're not going to say a number of gates, but we think it could be six to eight gates. 01:13:50.992 -- Could be more, to be less, could we decide upon the type of aircraft that we are servicing at the time that the airline upgaged a bigger aircraft. 01:13:55.792 -- You know, like I said, we'll respond to that demand when it gets here. 01:14:00.591 -- But we do know that if we do expand the terminal, it's going go this direction. 01:14:04.912 -- We know pretty confidently. 01:14:10.655 -- And when it goes that direction, it's going closer towards the runway, not towards the road. 01:14:15.216 -- That's T04, T03, and T02 for everyone online. 01:14:15.216 -- And then also, S03. 01:14:15.216 -- We have RON parking, which is remaining overnight aircraft that show up. 01:14:24.095 -- They get staged and they're ready to go for We park them in different places. 01:14:33.568 -- Currently, we're parking them over here, but the thought process is here. 01:14:37.007 -- And then also, that could be a potential deicing pad in the future, remote de icing. 01:14:41.967 -- Aircraft de-icing at a gate takes a very long time, impacts others from getting in and out of that gate. 01:14:46.847 -- So remote degicing is a, a varied efficient thing. 01:14:50.287 -- And that's something we are looking at, something, I think. 01:14:54.304 -- alert at CTAC that they do a lot and it can be very challenging just due to how much movement is happening in that area. 01:15:01.344 -- So that's something we're looking at. 01:15:01.344 -- And then the other thing you'll see is AO3 and Ao4. 01:15:05.264 -- You'll see kind of a reconfigure of the taxi waves there. 01:15:05.264 -- They're a little bit That means an airplane's almost got to stop before it can make that turn. 01:15:20.688 -- So that means less capacity on the runway, less throughput. 01:15:24.127 -- And so what you do is you kind of make these high speed taxiways that get aircraft in and out a little bit faster and in the right position. 01:15:35.287 -- And then also on other side, we're still looking at general aviation. 01:15:38.488 -- We're not just commercial service here. 01:15:40.287 -- We are looking some general aviation services. 01:15:44.047 -- There's not much in terms of expansion and general aviation here in that forecast, however, there is some growth in the area. 01:15:50.847 -- And so in a PL2 program, we'll be looking at this area for some type of growth, which is great. 01:15:57.807 -- If I ask a question now, just as long as we're looking at the experiment, say again, when I asked a questions now as well, as I was looking at it for sure, I agree. 01:16:04.608 -- I noticed those two high speed taxiway exits are both for aircraft landing why would there not be a corresponding one for aircraft planning to the north? Yeah sure, well maybe in the future but right now most operations are in a south floor. 01:16:20.671 -- Same thing as CTAC. 01:16:20.671 -- So we have the same runway configuration 1634 so it's a magnetic heading on your compass 160 degrees and so the winds going to north have been landed to the wind most of the time. 01:16:32.511 -- The same thing down in CTAT so just it is due to flow. 01:16:35.471 -- We spent a bunch of money just for So that's that purpose. 01:16:43.823 -- Next slide, please. 01:16:45.823 -- Let me get into PL3. 01:16:47.823 -- And so now we're really talking about a lot of airfield improvements, a lotta infrastructure improvements. 01:16:53.823 -- PL 3 is kind of towards the end of our planning period. 01:16:56.823 -- So we are looking at, you know, the closer to the, you notice, I guess 15 to 20 year mark is really. 01:17:03.904 -- Later on, but again, that's all driven by demand. 01:17:03.904 -- So if it shows up tomorrow, then we're really thrilled But we really want to prepare for this. 01:17:09.304 -- And so we'll look at different things The S06 S09 area. 01:17:13.423 -- This is general aviation currently. 01:17:13.423 -- There's Some empty spaces on our airfield right now. 01:17:18.863 -- We're doing some environmental over here But in the future this could become available for general abation this S07 that is Currently Air National Guard, so it's the Department of the Air Force, they own that, but the county is in the process of purchasing that from the air force so that we can hopefully put some industrial-type jobs or facilities over there to help with people working here at Sonoma County. 01:17:47.112 -- Coagala? Pardon? Say it for a dollar? No, not for $1. 01:17:52.112 -- No. 01:17:53.112 -- Well, we're working through that now, and we are in a process, the airport is... cleaning up the property before they hand it over to us, but it might be a couple more years before we see that in our portfolio of leased land. 01:18:01.104 -- But what that does for us here at SO7 is if you take this line, so all the black dotted lines you see around here, that's your port property, that line what they close, and it would open that up and make this whole piece of property one big piece property. 01:18:17.904 -- So there's a lot of opportunity there to do that. 01:18:22.783 -- Also, you'll see here, there's some more support stuff that goes for the terminal over here on the left-hand side. 01:18:30.384 -- You can see what those letters represent, but then looking at the airfield. 01:18:35.564 -- We have some things currently, so these gray kind of hash out, green, hash-out areas are Are there and what we think we should change them to and one of the reasons why we're moving some of them is the FAA have something called hot spots a hot spot is an area that could be Potentially unsafe if you're not really paying attention and the more likely that you are in that area You could have some confusion so they designate these little hotspots on people's or airports airfields for caution, but then also so that the airport can correct their hotspot and so we hotspots they've done directly off a tax or a ramp directly onto a runway. 01:19:14.640 -- They try to build it in such a way that you have to turn and turn to be delivered versus accidentally just driving straight out there, right? And so, that's why you see some of the movement of surfaces here. 01:19:35.344 -- It just kind of comes straight across, but they'll sidestep it, you know, and those are for safety reasons. 01:19:39.264 -- So some of it is designed for safety, some other design for efficiency, and we are looking at both of those. 01:19:47.184 -- Next slide, please. 01:19:55.503 -- So we have a capital improvement plan. 01:19:55.503 -- We're always looking about five years out to see if the FAA is going to fund it for us. 01:20:05.287 -- And so usually they say, hey, it's funded. 01:20:07.328 -- And they keep them up with the same schedule as well, about five years out. 01:20:11.608 -- And we work on our capital improvement plan. 01:20:14.488 -- And what we want to do is we wanted to address our future demand, the operational and safety improvements we just talked about, but also with those things. 01:20:22.967 -- Once we build it, we have to maintain it. 01:20:24.728 -- And then we had to keep the equipment maintained that maintains that infrastructure. 01:20:29.047 -- So we put those in our plan aswell. 01:20:32.960 -- These are all projects that we're talking about in 2022 dollars that the Master Plan if when did you start the master plan in 19 2019 2019 to 24 so about five year process so some of these numbers are from you know 2022 in the middle of covid when we were doing this but we are looking at about three hundred and fifteen million dollars for some CIP and just for us, not our third party costs. 01:21:02.148 -- So what we're looking at, what the FAA is looking at to pay for these projects that we just kind of ran through. 01:21:09.087 -- Those costs will take care of some soft costs, contingency, and of course, taxes. 01:21:15.247 -- Our airfield projects are a little over half of the total projects, both sides of defense, but looking out about $178 million for that. 01:21:23.423 -- And our runway rehabilitation, which we're actually working on now, it's a whole different I guess plan from this, but we are runway is near the end of its useful life. 01:21:36.423 -- And so we need to take it out of service, get it replaced, make sure it is safe for the next 30 or 40 years to come as well. 01:21:53.408 -- Um, we're also looking at third-party costs. 01:21:53.408 -- You know, some of these costs are born by the private terminal, right? And so the terminal operator, propeller, will have to, uh, born, you know take care of some of those costs as well. 01:22:04.608 -- So we do think we have all the funding we need to get to where we are headed to. 01:22:11.247 -- Next slide. 01:22:16.127 -- And then here we go. 01:22:18.671 -- Our planning activity levels and the different, you know, dollars amounts and they're broken down into the airfield, the terminal, you, know GT ground transportation, some support. 01:22:29.832 -- We have pavement management programs here to make sure the pavement continues to be managed and stay safe and of course equipment that goes with that. 01:22:37.311 -- And then we also have that broken-down into which activity level we're gonna address those different things. 01:22:40.351 -- And so we have a plan. 01:22:45.359 -- on when we're going to pin for those things, implement those things. 01:22:48.800 -- And again, based off of the demand. 01:22:48.800 -- Next slide. 01:22:55.680 -- And so you can see here, this is kind of a breakdown of those costs again. 01:22:59.039 -- You know, the capital plan here about 300 million dollars. 01:23:03.520 -- Um, and you'll see that, you know we just kind of wanted to highlight that this, not all of us paying for it, but this has, even here third-party costs. 01:23:09.600 -- So, you know, there's other people paying for this as well, or other, uh, next slide. 01:23:21.792 -- All right, so we talked about our funding sources just a little bit earlier. 01:23:21.792 -- We talked about that 90-10 match on the split. 01:23:26.591 -- And so when we're looking at our our funding source, we try to break them down on who's paying, for what, and for what projects, right? So we want to make sure that that's accounted for. 01:23:35.792 -- These are The FAA and IAP, IEP is airport improvement dollars, program dollars. 01:23:45.631 -- So those are the 90% batch that we do the 10% match that gets 90%. 01:23:53.431 -- We'll use those dollars for airport infrastructure. 01:23:56.431 -- So it's going to be happening on the airfield, the runway, the taxiways, those types of things, right? So that's what AIP dollars are used for. 01:24:03.532 -- PFCs are passenger facility charges. 01:24:05.731 -- So these passenger that goes through a checkpoint at TSA. 01:24:08.863 -- I think it's $4.30, $40.50 per passenger comes through, those dollars go directly into a bucket of money that is then intended to be used only for airfield improvement projects that directly benefit the carriers because it is their passengers that are the ones flying that we use those projects that improve the carrier's service. 01:24:35.055 -- entitlements, discretionary, all FAA again. 01:24:35.055 -- We have local airport funds, so we have a lot of things that happen here at the airport, you know, landing fees, fuel flowage fees. 01:24:45.216 -- You know different fees for different users that we help out with. 01:24:45.216 -- And then also third party, if you guys want to give us money, we'll take it. 01:24:51.456 -- So we're always good with that as well. 01:24:55.775 -- Next slide. 01:24:58.975 -- And this is our future land use plan. 01:25:04.207 -- These are kind of a general idea of what type of thing we can build in these areas. 01:25:13.207 -- And so, here you see the purple is general aviation. 01:25:17.207 -- So, right now it's already purple. 01:25:19.207 -- It's all GA. 01:25:19.207 -- That's where GA is. 01:25:19.207 -- But here, you'll see in the future. 01:25:22.752 -- We don't have any hangers here right now, but that could be potentially GA hanger in the future. 01:25:28.112 -- We want to say GA, general aviation, the small private business jets, personal and aircraft, things like that. 01:25:33.072 -- But we have that, and so we allocate, and then the FAA gives us a thumbs up, hey, this works. 01:25:37.152 -- You can build it. 01:25:37.152 -- It's compatible with all the other areas, things happening in these areas. 01:25:42.271 -- That's not going to be unsafe. 01:25:42.271 -- And so you'll see Aviation Use Development, if you notice an aerial and we'll see it on the tour later if you're coming with us. 01:25:52.768 -- This whole side of the airport is about 150 acres or so. 01:25:52.768 -- It's all trees, it's it all woods, it is a lot of elevation. 01:25:57.568 -- So a lot challenges over there but we know that we want some aviation use development. 01:26:01.408 -- You want access to the airfield. 01:26:06.047 -- That's very important to us of course Runway's tax duties and then real estate in these green areas as well. 01:26:15.695 -- So, next slide. 01:26:15.695 -- And I will answer the final question before you ask it. 01:26:24.095 -- How many passengers is that, right? 20 years out, we're expecting right now the master plan forecast is 4.3 million passengers. 01:26:29.935 -- I think it's a little bit higher, but we kind of showing up probably within the next five years. 01:26:42.783 -- So we are continually to grow. 01:26:42.783 -- We're getting more passengers through here since COVID, but we're still at about 65% of what we were before. 01:26:53.984 -- So, we've catching up, but not as fast as everyone else has hoped for. 01:26:58.064 -- So with that, I'll take any questions. 01:27:07.184 -- I have such a basic question. 01:27:09.104 -- No one in there is my answer. 01:27:10.104 -- No, no, all questions. 01:27:11.104 -- Go ahead, please. 01:27:12.104 -- Absolutely. 01:27:13.104 -- Because what I'm trying to wrap my head around is when you look at the capacity, you're using the term B. 01:27:19.247 -- at the state of demand. 01:27:19.247 -- Are you using the PSIC data for full data? No, see the FAA is the one that puts the forecast for us. 01:27:24.287 -- They're the one who approves that. 01:27:28.167 -- And so how they do that is handled back in DC. 01:27:31.908 -- So I'm not sure of all their metrics to get to that number. 01:27:31.908 -- But they're the ones responsible for that and I could follow up with you and get you the information you need though. 01:27:49.216 -- Or cast, drop comes to the land based on the safety basic, you know, that's it. 01:27:54.216 -- Oh, yeah. 01:27:54.216 -- Yeah. 01:27:55.216 -- So it's the same. 01:27:56.216 -- Yeah, I mean, they consider all kinds of things. 01:27:58.216 -- Yeah? Absolute. 01:28:00.216 -- Um, Is your, does this. 01:28:08.216 -- So this planning process, it is a 20 year period. 01:28:11.216 -- Um but you think you're going to hit the demand number well within the 20 years. 01:28:17.920 -- No, well, I think the demand to expand will be within 20 years, and that's at about 2 million passengers. 01:28:24.920 -- And so that is when we think that that will happen, and it has to do with the terminal size. 01:28:31.920 -- The terminal has two gates and one hard stand, two contact gates, one heart stand. 01:28:34.920 -- So they can only handle so many passengers an hour. 01:28:37.631 -- If you get over there right now and you see 2737s at the same time, that's a tight fit. 01:28:42.032 -- You get two embryos over here, a little bit more comfortable, and then you add that hardstand in there. 01:28:48.192 -- They understand, they're operating flights in the morning and in evening, so they have these kind of gaps in a day. 01:28:54.631 -- Those gaps can get filled, but at end of the day, currently, the terminal can only handle And so once that those gaps and the schedules start getting filled and you start seeing more and more flights coming, that's when we'll say, okay, we've had your capacity at the terminal now we need that space. 01:29:12.192 -- And that and that gate expansion in the direction of the existing runway, you say on the order of six to eight for the for a total of about 10. 01:29:32.095 -- You go to see tactic where 80 something gains, but also what 40 hard stands or something I mean, they have a lot of hard sands and so and it's and its based off of the fleet mix, right? So that will let the demand tell us what we need to build, but we're assuming at least six minutes. 01:29:46.655 -- Can you handle any upgrade of a aircraft? There's 737s above your Currently right now our ramp is only designed for a group three aircraft and so group three is a 737 and group 3 is aircraft are based on different sizes group one to five. 01:30:01.423 -- The airway software wings band two to three. 01:30:04.944 -- The if you get a Airbus uh three twenty three 20 actually I think one of those might move up but those are group days as well. 01:30:13.904 -- As is the next time. 01:30:15.423 -- Yes yes yeah all all the new three sevens coming out they're all With that being said, we can handle anything. 01:30:21.359 -- Boeing makes the biggest jets in the world here, so but we'd have to bulldoze and redo some things, and you know, so we could do anything, but you know it doesn't make sense, right? Is your, what are the charges of the group? We're looking at a In the course of doing this best plan did you look at okay, so when this is up what's next is this just it's six million and And ten six millions a year and ten gates it or Like what happens next yeah, yeah so for us The master plan is funded by the FAA, and it's a 20-year plan. 01:31:10.083 -- It's the parameters. 01:31:11.083 -- That's what we work in. 01:31:12.083 -- So we only look at 20 years. 01:31:14.323 -- One thing I've learned about master plans is they're not really good for 20 hours. 01:31:19.363 -- Plans change pretty rapidly, right? I mean, if you in 2000 did a master planning to grow your commercial service, In 2002, that'd be completely different because 9-11, right? So this is a plan based off of what we knew and assumed at 2019 through 2024. 01:31:35.855 -- And so we don't try to look past that 20 years because we just don' know. 01:31:40.176 -- We do our best as airport directors to look ahead to make sure the next person's sitting in that seat. 01:31:45.456 -- You're not impacting them negatively and putting something in their way that they have to remove to get their job done. 01:31:52.015 -- But no, we try and stay within that twenty year and not to speculate any further. 01:31:56.159 -- 20 years is already a question. 01:31:56.159 -- If you don't wait 20 days you refresh it. 01:31:56.159 -- Yes, 75-7 years, whatever Yeah, probably 10 years in the middle of this or whatever year we'll realize oh this plan is dramatically, you know You know different than the reality of what's happening in our world and then we go back out and we likely do another And you could be really wrong C-TAC was in 70s. 01:32:18.720 -- We thought we would hit 30 million 40 million by 2030. 01:32:24.800 -- I think you did that. 01:32:24.800 -- You got to remember that was in the 70s that we were picking those numbers out of the sky. 01:32:40.688 -- us working in the vacuum to try and figure out this plan, we do take other considerations. 01:32:45.887 -- While this was happening, I know Eric had conversations with the previous group before you on why we chose the way we choose to do certain things back then. 01:32:54.807 -- And so we were part of that. 01:32:55.807 -- I talked to Ann, I talk to Anne enough. 01:33:00.927 -- Just to kind of see what else is happening out there, because this is really symbiotic. 01:33:05.127 -- I taught my whole children. 01:33:06.807 -- Moses, like I was out here just, you know. 01:33:09.055 -- what two weeks ago, you know. 01:33:10.735 -- So I go visit all these other airports to learn, kind of the system and what's happening because if I'm impacted negatively, right, who can help me, right? So we're obviously here. 01:33:21.176 -- We know that there's demand coming our way. 01:33:23.855 -- We knew that we were going to see some folks that don't want to fly out of our friendly partner from the south. 01:33:29.416 -- A lot of people right now are driving right past us to go to them still. 01:33:32.256 -- So, we want people to know that were here and at the same time. 01:33:37.583 -- I always want people to, we're not trying to expand. 01:33:40.543 -- We're trying not to grow. 01:33:41.384 -- We are not tryin' to build this and be the next whatever. 01:33:43.944 -- We really just responding to the man of what's coming our direction. 01:33:49.264 -- And if it's not there, then we won't build for it. 01:33:54.743 -- I have more questions. 01:33:55.583 -- Yeah, go ahead. 01:33:56.423 -- I'm here all day. 01:33:57.264 -- Um, what, uh, and I apologize. 01:34:01.184 -- I would not even read your old master plan for a presentation, so it might be in there. 01:34:06.895 -- What are you doing from a multimodal? Perspective the light rail as I recall is being built here But it's not really being build to the terminal. 01:34:16.176 -- It's being billed to certain computers to throw a plant which We're not the sound transit board Okay, I don't know where you are But you know what you have that there's the They have a track station and it's not that far away, or the line at least. 01:34:41.520 -- Swift, I saw a Swift bus stopping out here as I was taking the turn to come over to this meeting today. 01:34:47.199 -- So what are you doing for our access to the terminal? Yeah, so we do have bus service to a terminal. 01:34:50.800 -- It makes a loop around the terminal currently. 01:34:53.840 -- We are working with sound transit right now to kind of figure out if the But even if they do that, because the original sound transit plan went straight up by five, right? Well, commercial service showed up. 01:35:12.615 -- So that plan is now being re-evaluated to cut over to a pain field and then go back up towards Everett. 01:35:19.655 -- They're also looking at maintenance facilities. 01:35:21.296 -- But, even they did that that part of the project is still unfunded because it's. 01:35:26.847 -- a new addition. 01:35:26.847 -- But we are lobbying for them so that we can have connectivity between C-TAC and Painfield and so we're pushing hard for that. 01:35:31.587 -- We have some spots on airport property and on Boeing property that were all evaluating and looking at but I would say it's too early to say where it is going to go but we are working towards that goal to make sure we try to get the train here. 01:35:48.368 -- And if you know, get folks back in for it. 01:35:56.655 -- So, Mr. 01:35:56.655 -- Chair, I know you've got a bunch more questions, but I just wanted to kind of tag on that. 01:36:01.456 -- There is a group right now working on designing the future high-speed rail that's in vision to go down the I-5 corridor from Vancouver, BC-T, and so I've talked to them about how important it will be to link that high-speed rail with airports and they're a little bit concerned about that because I 5 corridor is their plan so linking it specifically the CTAC isn't a natural but it seems like for you that might be there might And our county executive, I believe, was on the border of the sound trends, and so I think it's captain of that. 01:36:49.543 -- It is something we are investigating, because we understand we want people to have access to the airport, and there is even pushing ideas for parking right at the train station efficiency. 01:37:01.543 -- But we'll see. 01:37:01.543 -- None of it has been decided, again, unfunded. 01:37:11.568 -- is watch.hung up on following I-5 I mean there were so many advantages to having that route very close to CTAC which is done in a lot of European cities I'm personally familiar with Frankly having room over there that you can get off off the airplane there take an escalator downstairs and get on a train right there in Google almost anywhere in Europe. 01:37:36.431 -- That's so important, I think, and even the light rail at CTAT, you have to walk about a quarter of a mile. 01:37:41.952 -- It's kind of inconvenient, and some people, yeah, walk that far. 01:37:49.072 -- So I don't know how far along the design is, I dunno, high speed rail project, but to me, they really need to be thinking about certain CTAC. 01:38:05.600 -- I 125% agree with you. 01:38:09.199 -- They're still in the very, very early stages. 01:38:12.000 -- But right now, their vision is to be on the I-5 corridor. 01:38:16.840 -- So I think it would be awesome if this group could make that be one recommendation to the high-speed rail planners that connectedness and factors would meet all of our goals. 01:38:31.311 -- part of our work is going to be to figure out how to offload some of that C-TAC traffic. 01:38:37.152 -- So, if you could easily get, you know, high speed rail service in there, I mean, I'm thinking about removing flights between C TAC at Portland, for example. 01:38:51.752 -- You know if those people on a high-speed rail out of C tAC, it's just off and on another airplane down in Portland. 01:38:59.408 -- But I think there's some your traffic relief there. 01:38:59.408 -- It's possible. 01:38:59.408 -- We're in violent agreement loss and I I don't want to disparage my my colleagues at washed up But i5 is broke and so wouldn't it be awesome to have another way rather than driving your car on that Freeway that to get through that area as well, and i would say the same thing by 90 terrible experience Okay, I forgot one of my next questions. 01:39:39.960 -- The one I have. 01:39:41.960 -- Ercargo. 01:39:42.960 -- That was what it was. 01:39:44.960 -- So what are the other, we're not just a passenger or group, you know, we are supposed to look at aviation needs overall. 01:39:51.960 -- So that would include aviation deployment as well as our cargo. 01:39:58.416 -- Plan envision it if it envisions a sort of expansion of the cargo operation. 01:39:58.416 -- Yeah, I think Really, we have FedEx up here currently right now. 01:40:05.195 -- They're not doing any operations really They've just suddenly seen their property back to Boeing so they could buy their planes However, if they were to happen, it would likely happen somewhere from the west side of The Airport If you've been paying attention Boeing Field King County International Airport has raised their hand they want cargo And so that's something I think where you guys likely visit them if you haven't already Something that you probably should add to your questions for that group We do understand There's a lot of cargo in here. 01:40:38.591 -- So there's Gotta be some questions asked on how much point field cargo they can actually in And then if that comes to us or wherever that goes later, but currently right now, we're not seeing a big bush, we are not hearing from a lot of cargo providers to try to get to Bayon Field. 01:40:57.591 -- So it's not really a pig demand that we have currently in this environment, but if it does show up, it'll be up to the other side. 01:41:11.112 -- I have a question. 01:41:11.952 -- Can you hear calculations? and growth management, trees, everything else. 01:41:14.000 -- Is there a percentage in there for like community outreach? Is that a separate plan that you have? How is that calculated? Yeah, so well, for just the plan, the whole plan had community outreach to put this piece together right multiple times in the process. 01:41:26.479 -- A lot of public comments. 01:41:30.079 -- And believe it or not, it actually kind of helped, because it helped us make some decisions in our plan and kind We talk about any type of project, but we're going to do any move earth, move a building, or move something. 01:41:45.652 -- We have to go through the environmental, there's public comment there, and there are all kinds of public commenting processes through this. 01:41:51.072 -- So when we are talking about these things right now, we just talking with them. 01:41:54.551 -- We actually get ready to take some action, then there is a process we have follow, and those different projects, or commenting periods, reserved in those projects as well. 01:42:08.720 -- Do you have a contingency for if the federal funding tab starts to dry up over the next – over your Medicare for funding what you might otherwise fund with FBA funds? Well, we hope that never happens. 01:42:34.895 -- Because we get about 90 percent of our funding for infrastructure anyways, what we would have to do is tighten our belts, user fees would likely go up. 01:42:45.055 -- We would slow projects, push projects down. 01:42:45.055 -- However, I think if the demand is there, that's something we can't do. 01:42:50.496 -- And there will be other relief valves that we'll look to for funding, whether that is from some of the big power players, whether it's from the state of Washington or whoever, but I'm going to knock on every single door if that ever happens. 01:43:04.847 -- He talked about the trust fund and how it's already funded by the user base, they had data. 01:43:10.847 -- Well, as far as, yeah, so, I think what he's kind of referring to is the rules changing and we received those numbers, the money is there. 01:43:21.927 -- And we'll just see if the rule has changed for us to be able to get it. 01:43:27.847 -- But if you want to talk about that, trust me today. 01:43:32.895 -- All of the airport improvement programs are already funded through the aviation trust function of federal government. 01:43:37.895 -- So there's sales tax on fuel, every pilot license, every aircraft registration, every time you go fly internationally, there is a customs fee, and all of those are going into the fund that it is going for federal grants. 01:43:51.895 -- So I can't say, don't quote me as saying our grants are safe, but they are ready funded by the user fees from aviation directly for the majority of airport grants, Demand goes down. 01:44:03.311 -- Let's go down if you don't need them. 01:44:03.311 -- I'll just add a comment that the Congress really likes to use those Money's don'T balance the budget. 01:44:10.311 -- Yeah, you have to proportion those funds. 01:44:10.311 -- There's a lot of time to do that. 01:44:10.311 -- We'll go to my games Which is why we always talk to our legislators very important piece right Because they're gonna help us get to where we need to go Anyone else Anyone on my any questions? Okay, well, thank you for being at Pinkfield. 01:44:38.904 -- We're glad you guys chose us and we're happy to host I'm gonna disappear for a few minutes, but I'll rejoin here shortly. 01:44:43.884 -- I have to go take my herefield driver training Most of us know what that is Yeah, so basically we need to sit in front of a computer for three hours but Really glad your here We hope you enjoy the tour later as well. 01:45:00.496 -- I'll be leading that. 01:45:00.496 -- But if you have any questions at all, don't hesitate to reach out to my team, my staff, myself, and, man. 01:45:13.935 -- Will you be driving us on the end? I won't drive, but I will be talking to you for a few minutes. 01:45:18.256 -- I'm so glad to have you. 01:45:19.775 -- Yes, yes. 01:45:20.256 -- We are. 01:45:20.815 -- Thank you very much. 01:45:24.975 -- I shall continue meeting. 01:45:26.095 -- Thank y'all. 01:45:35.184 -- I think we'll say what else has anyone want to talk about in a few minutes, we can break from much earlier. 01:45:42.344 -- You can see it's already put the lunch break and then we're going to move in as much as that. 01:45:47.703 -- All right. 01:45:48.703 -- So everyone will now start a public comment portion of this meeting. 01:45:53.264 -- We have 30 minutes for public comments, each person has two minutes to speak. 01:45:57.623 -- If at the end of two minute you go over, you will say your students are over and ask that you please wrap up your comments. 01:46:04.560 -- Please abide by the protocol for the commission meeting in order to help this meeting run smoothly. 01:46:10.720 -- I will alternate back and forth between in-person and online Zoom public comments. 01:46:16.800 -- If you would like to comment and you're online, please raise your hand using the hand raised school in the reaction section of Zoom. 01:46:20.319 -- For those in person, please form a line in a back, and we'll just go on a time back before. 01:46:32.496 -- So, is there anyone in person that would like to go first? Perfect. 01:46:37.235 -- There's two of us in the person. 01:46:37.235 -- Okay. 01:46:37.235 -- Yeah, we kind of thought it was going to be three minutes, but that's okay, okay We'll do what we can. 01:46:51.435 -- That's not so here. 01:46:51.435 -- Yes, please. 01:46:51.435 -- Let's see if I'm on my own. 01:46:51.435 -- Oh, I see there's the thing. 01:46:59.311 -- My name is Mary Patterson. 01:46:59.311 -- I live in the city of Seattle. 01:47:03.311 -- I've worked with a number of organizations, the Seattle, which is climate justice organization, solutionary rail, which was a motion to rail organization. 01:47:13.311 -- And the latter is part of the rail camp weight campaign. 01:47:16.511 -- Mostly, I want to put in a good word for the really essential role that multi-world could play, should play to think in your planning. 01:47:27.743 -- We know that we're going to need aviation. 01:47:31.264 -- For long distance, it's a very good country. 01:47:33.184 -- It's very big continent. 01:47:34.583 -- For non-distance, for cross the oceans. 01:47:38.024 -- But for the shorter distances, especially, what role can rail play? What role could railplay? And the advantages of rail in climate health and mobility are really important to be considered. 01:47:57.247 -- like it's at least one third of the energy that cars and trucks use, perhaps less than that. 01:48:06.127 -- About very low emissions, it can be electrified without it over relying on batteries, which are very resource intensive, we know. 01:48:11.967 -- So there's a lot of advantages to promote shift to available passengers and freight. 01:48:16.768 -- And we really hope that that will be Particularly for the short distance flights that go in and out of sea tacking the other airports in Washington. 01:48:34.239 -- Particularly, for short distances, there is existing rail line, and in some cases, already existing rails service. 01:48:41.239 -- That could be used much more seriously. 01:48:47.239 -- And invested by the state with much, much serious seats, including East West service to the central part of the State. 01:48:55.344 -- We haven't had service, rail service there, since I think 1979, 1970 something in there. 01:49:01.344 -- But there's a growing momentum to restore that service. 01:49:05.344 -- And the last thing I'll say, because I'm sure I've passed for two minutes now, is that a bill was just passed in Olympia, 1837, to really ramp up Amtrak cascade service to Vancouver, BC, Portland, and Eugene. 01:49:25.024 -- And we really are looking forward to by 2035, a much greater and much more reliable service on that route. 01:49:32.463 -- So thank you for considering a move shift to rail in Europe. 01:49:42.144 -- Okay, next we will go to someone online. 01:49:42.144 -- Brett, I'm going to allow you to mute yourselves. 01:49:52.015 -- Thank you. 01:49:52.015 -- I see my camera is off as well. 01:49:52.015 -- Would you like to see me or not? Thank You very much Greetings chair Nordbee and members. 01:50:03.095 -- I'm dr. 01:50:03.095 -- Brett Lebeng co-chair of the climate and health task force of Washington physicians for social responsibility as a retired Air Force flight surgeon for 30 years I love flying I have thousands of hours military flight time and I'm also trained to recognize some harms of some aviation activity. 01:50:22.591 -- PSR formed last century nationally to oppose nuclear weapons as a threat to life on the planet. 01:50:28.591 -- Continues that work and now commits to prevent and mitigate climate change as clear and present threat for human health, especially disease caused by directly burning fossil fuel. 01:50:41.072 -- As you know, the transportation sector remains the large source of carbon emissions in Washington. 01:50:46.735 -- There's an old saying, if we keep doing what we've done, we just get more of what we got. 01:50:52.176 -- So transport policy has clear consequences to human health. 01:50:57.615 -- Overwater flights are necessary, short hops are the worst, contributing significant climate harm and releasing microscopic PM2.5 particles. 01:51:08.055 -- They go deep in the lungs, enter the bloodstream, cause heart and lung disease, even dementia, and premature deaths. 01:51:16.815 -- CTAC residents living under the flight path have been demonstrated to have somewhere between two and five year shorter lifespan, largely because of these particles and diseases. 01:51:29.815 -- Climate science and Washington law requires all of us to reduce greenhouse gases, reducing flight numbers and not expanding airports are the best solution. 01:51:42.975 -- Expanding the north-south east-west passenger and freight rail system, as you've just heard, with fast, frequent, reliable, affordable, intercity trains, produce much less pollution than flying short hops. 01:51:55.975 -- We strongly support electrification when that can be done. 01:51:59.975 -- And shifting from fossil fuels to electric power, of course, will require more electric clean energy production. 01:52:06.975 -- So we ask, in the end, Will you advise that we keep doing what we're doing, or choose healthier transport modes? WPSR stands ready to advise you of the health consequences of transport policy and practice as you carry out your work. 01:52:23.615 -- Thank you for that privilege, and thanks for speaking with you today. 01:52:40.271 -- Tom White, climate rail alliance, I'm probably that rail can't wait group and climate rail. 01:52:47.572 -- They pretty much tells you what we're about. 01:52:52.131 -- Everything you know about what American rail does, forget because American Rail doesn't do what rail service can do. 01:53:07.376 -- When it comes to climate, some of those benefits have been explained for expanding air source. 01:53:13.735 -- However, having been the railroad equivalent of air traffic controllers for two decades, I really subsidized with those guys that are going in. 01:53:23.975 -- And one day, not, I don't know, it's been last year, those are run-made cursive at BDX. 01:53:32.496 -- I can figure out why it was seen in the radio. 01:53:35.024 -- The why I couldn't figure out is why is FedEx flying a plane from Portland to Seattle. 01:53:40.024 -- The service we have for Amtrak Cascades is already faster city to city than fine, including metal detector. 01:53:49.024 -- All that stuff like that is faster than it's fine. 01:53:54.024 -- We have a plan that's been mentioned for $2 and 30 minutes between Seattle and Portland. 01:54:04.655 -- We actually diverted the BN track under going in airport. 01:54:09.695 -- It's got a 6,700-ish foot runway, and cat to the landing is not being used. 01:54:16.815 -- We could run trains directly to it with a station that looks like ship hole in the basement. 01:54:22.336 -- We need those things. 01:54:22.336 -- We've got the whole sound transit thing with all of this station going to be trying to stop at more than one station, you need a station here and a station can do. 01:54:37.199 -- So just think what trainings can do, not what they do do and you're going down right there. 01:54:45.520 -- Thank you. 01:54:45.520 -- I don't see anyone else online with their I'll give, well, we're going anyone online. 01:55:06.039 -- Okay, seeing none, this concludes the public comment portion. 01:55:10.039 -- Thank you, everyone, who participated. 01:55:12.039 -- You can always submit some of the comment on the website under the contact tab as well. 01:55:17.039 -- So, back to you. 01:55:20.039 -- All right. 01:55:33.072 -- We're not obligated to like wait until the end of the designated public comment session. 01:55:40.072 -- Would you like you know to share your screen by chance? No, these are white notes. 01:55:52.072 -- Okay. 01:55:58.960 -- We had on your other agenda item was continue the RFP discussion if we hadn't concluded that before Mr. 01:55:58.960 -- Marius's presentation But we did conclude that unless there's anything else I was talking about The As far as next steps are actually a few things We have a statutory requirement to submit our, even though we just submitted it, it feels like a report at the end of 2024. 01:56:36.496 -- I don't understand. 01:56:40.416 -- Can't say it any more clear than that, Siri. 01:56:48.975 -- We have a statutory requirement to spend a little day at a report that by July 1st, you can just spend one day in the year. 01:56:55.695 -- That's for sure. 01:56:57.600 -- I apologize. 01:56:57.600 -- The most recent legislation changed that to December 1st, so we've got to get a lot. 01:57:05.840 -- Hey, do you know what's recent as it just passed and in the part of the budget? Like a couple weeks ago. 01:57:11.039 -- Okay, great. 01:57:11.039 -- Do you have the governor of Ireland? Yes, yes, okay. 01:57:19.520 -- So that means we have quite a bit of time. 01:57:19.520 -- We have to even submit it to WashDOT to then be So that would, what the, uh, he says, it's ever first. 01:57:32.007 -- So if that probably means like a, a October 31 for a draft adopted by us to watch that to go through process. 01:57:39.448 -- Correct. 01:57:39.448 -- So continue. 01:57:39.448 -- Okay. 01:57:39.448 -- Well, my first question was, is it possible to get an extension? So, okay, having a key that you have to do with that. 01:57:48.568 -- Yeah. 01:57:56.287 -- Yeah, so. 01:58:00.912 -- We should Everyone just needs to collectively remember that when we have a meeting sometime in big fall What if the agenda items has to be draft a report? and then have another meeting ahead of October 31 to then adopt the report much like Yeah question at the last meeting about the HELAC, and we had some discussion around that. 01:58:30.207 -- And I volunteered to pull a text and take a look through it. 01:58:36.927 -- It's established a new section It's a set of substantive and procedural commitments for covered agencies, quote unquote, to adhere to when they're planning with regard to environmental justice. 01:59:25.712 -- And then even if they opt in, it's essentially, there are some requirements that still don't apply if you choose to opt-in. 01:59:37.631 -- We are not a covered agency. 01:59:40.471 -- Even if we opted in we're still on a state agency, so, but we could decide to do that And so what I'm going to suggest is that everyone read 78.02 for what that, what we would be opting into as far as a lot of it is the sort of best practices for community outreach and planning, planning for mitigation of environmental impacts of any sort But in draft specific language to add to the charter ahead of this meeting because it's such a I think everyone really should read Chapter 78 point zero to revise going Washington for what's in there and The other One of the pieces of it is Trying to mitigate environmental harms to what are currently overburdened communities, and there is a map that the state department health has put together over-burden communities. 02:00:56.783 -- It's probably not a surprise that the environmentally oververted communities are the ones or less along high five and have to surround our existing airports. 02:01:08.623 -- And when I read this statute, I think the best reading of it It's meant to ensure consultation and mitigation and outreach as opposed to driving it's for all because I think it'd be a bad faith interpretation of the statute being we need to put dirty things out where nobody lives Exactly. 02:01:29.536 -- Yeah, so So I hope you I Think that's exactly the point is to drive consultation mitigation outreach And so we should read that before we So everybody knows what we're going to do. 02:01:49.287 -- But I think it is a very thoughtful list of what city should do in decision. 02:01:59.967 -- I appreciate the research, because I think my original thought was more the part of the dual activities included the department of transportation. 02:02:11.087 -- And what I'm hearing is that we are independent of that, I, in an interest in full exposure, I found a co-chair for the Environmental Justice Council, which is authorized under the field act. 02:02:27.207 -- And the environmental justice council is also required in the law to guide expenditures of a capital investment, which I believe might play. 02:02:43.792 -- So, I'm no longer chair, so on the executive committee I finish my period from February. 02:02:53.792 -- I am thinking if the group wants, I can ask that to do a presentation on a control decision. 02:03:02.792 -- That would be helpful. 02:03:04.792 -- Yeah, I think that'd be great. 02:03:13.615 -- Read it, but also having it presented an explain Sure, could you repeat again the RCW code that you're suggesting? Yeah, it's chapter And then capital a point zero two Remember it so discussion on this time that because we're advisory we take our what we advise to those groups that are already under the feel act right That they're going to apply our information Right, and so then the, I think that the idea is we are ourselves sort of in our information gathering and advice will understand what's in that statute that we do a better job of doing our job. 02:04:00.832 -- So, it's an iteration of, oh, what about that? Thank you. 02:04:19.239 -- So, um, say anyone else want to, uh, any questions or speak to that? Um, not to bad. 02:04:30.239 -- I've got another next steps comment. 02:04:32.239 -- If you're ready for that. 02:04:33.239 -- Sure. 02:04:34.239 -- Um. 02:04:35.239 -- When we do our annual report. 02:04:39.359 -- One of the things we have to have in there is some kind of way of addressing what we're thinking of doing moving forward with JBLM. 02:04:53.760 -- And it doesn't specifically say I don't believe in the legislation, but it kind of leads me to believe that they're looking for an affirmative statement that we are going to give up the idea of making JPLM a joint use facility. 02:05:07.872 -- So I just want to put a marker out there that's something that we need to address to have an included one way or another in our annual report. 02:05:34.511 -- My interpretation is that they've got political concerns about doing that so So I don't know maybe mr. 02:05:41.891 -- Chair if it comes from you if an invitation or something, so that's one thing Another thing is in the conversation that we've had today. 02:05:49.471 -- We've talked a lot about multi-modal opportunities and just heard a a lotta rail advocates and So, I think if we got to the point where we said, okay, this group is looking at recommendations of what we can do in the future, but those recommendations would not include hypothetically, if it's one of them, to have commercial service at JBLM, or to build a new airport in a Puget Sound region, I'd think those are incremental steps that we may be able to take that would Change the tone of this whole group and kind of set the stage there. 02:06:29.904 -- What we're looking to do is as a community Solve this issue not Ramrod Ramron some kind solution there with people's throats that don't want it Yeah, I think that's good idea. 02:06:49.344 -- I don t know how Summer that summarize that into emotion or What do we do with that? I think you were just asking if the letter were to come from the chair. 02:07:06.104 -- We might hear a little bit more. 02:07:08.104 -- Or it might be able to give the leadership a JB and the limit option to respond. 02:07:13.104 -- So, an accurate way of saying that. 02:07:15.104 -- That sounds good. 02:07:17.104 -- Yeah. 02:07:22.319 -- Please don't try to pick us present. 02:07:22.319 -- I mean if that's what they're I'd offer You know for my limited window with JBLM kind of on the wrong side of mountains, but we do see them almost every day I think it's been loud and clear that For them to pivot to civilian commercial activity will be unattractive to air mobility, but I thank Because you're right. 02:07:48.623 -- I think it would just be a thing to shut up. 02:07:48.623 -- You know, why why you shouldn't pick us However, I would be very useful for us is because we're supposed to be looking at transportation across the state They are also the users of the airspace and in very specific places across across tell us what they need, because they're still going to be here, and we still need to figure out a little bit about transportation. 02:08:26.855 -- And we can always try out to hurt them, I guess. 02:08:35.576 -- Maybe there's a way to ask them if they could present something positive to us, and not just maybe a presentation. 02:08:47.855 -- He tried to get that piece of it, the aerospace piece of that presented to us at the whatever schedule. 02:08:59.855 -- So, but that might be, I don't know, two years over here. 02:09:02.855 -- I'll stop by. 02:09:03.855 -- Yeah. 02:09:04.855 -- Oh, um, I'm sitting here trying to think, should I show this information? You know. 02:09:11.855 -- I thought, you know I could be responsible. 02:09:17.231 -- As much as I let the idea, let's just be aware of the question of how many flights coming out of JB1 will come up, because that area to call is identified as one of them 19 identified, and that's again the technical term at the same level. 02:09:50.351 -- I was just going to mention that as far as JBLM, I'm just on the opinion that trying to convince the Department of Defense that JBLM should be a Chinese airfield. 02:10:05.152 -- The air field is a waste of our time. 02:10:05.152 -- That's just my opinion. 02:10:05.152 -- As far as jBLMs usually, airspace around the state, that's pretty well spelled out in military training routes So we know where they do their training operations. 02:10:25.287 -- So I'm not sure we need a presentation on that. 02:10:29.287 -- We just need to be aware of that when we start thinking about expanding airports, if you will, that we don't impose any burden on their use of the airspace, which is pretty well defined. 02:10:42.287 -- But if they want to come and talk to us, I think that's fine too. 02:10:45.287 -- But I am just saying that that is a pretty low document. 02:10:49.840 -- So that we want to present to me the rest more than a few of us who don't know what MTRs are, you know, I want to take that on to share an explainer to them. 02:10:59.840 -- I guess we could. 02:11:04.560 -- Someone else who's pretty well versed in that is Robert Plagman, who just invited, who I think is going to be an artist or a member. 02:11:11.239 -- He could talk to that too. 02:11:13.399 -- So, that's something rich that maybe we could defer for right now. 02:11:18.815 -- kill me the next meeting. 02:11:18.815 -- I'm going down. 02:11:18.815 -- Wait, to that, I think we could get somebody from the FA region to come and talk about airspace too. 02:11:28.735 -- Yeah, and I'll go to. 02:11:38.815 -- So why? You know, it's comfortable for me about inviting an FA person to honest. 02:11:47.648 -- And then the JBLN person is that he gets us on large at the end. 02:11:51.648 -- Yes. 02:11:52.648 -- So that would be very helpful. 02:11:54.648 -- Yeah. 02:11:55.648 -- Okay. 02:11:56.648 -- I think FAA is going to give you an airspace presentation that's beyond JDLN. 02:12:04.648 -- It's going be about the complexity of the air traffic airspace in the whole region in general. 02:12:11.648 -- I mean, there's all kinds of little incidents. 02:12:16.336 -- to go into Australia, then you've got J.D. Atlanta, actually. 02:12:21.336 -- And you got the Army report right next door to McCord. 02:12:28.336 -- The rest there. 02:12:29.336 -- Great field. 02:12:31.336 -- And let's see. 02:12:33.336 -- And then in fact, the underlying that, you have a little general aviation airport there, so there are common errors there or B.L.U. And I'm thinking of what is on the west side of the east side of JBLM generally the easier part of any rate. 02:12:55.311 -- And then you've got Boyne Field and the aerospace thing. 02:12:59.872 -- It's a pretty complex subject. 02:13:04.152 -- And if they see you're now traveling vision, GBL and being a joint battlefield, it's just going to be a mess. 02:13:16.399 -- But I can tell you that the people that do airspace planning at FAA are willing to talk to us. 02:13:25.039 -- Yeah. 02:13:26.039 -- Yeah, so while we're talking about that, I would like to invite somebody from FAA also to talk about slot restrictions, which doesn't really exist too much on the West Coast. 02:13:44.800 -- That's the way that FAA would deal with congestion and CTAC if it gets to the point where FAA thinks they need to step in. 02:13:55.800 -- So, to me, that's kind of a do-nothing scenario. 02:14:00.800 -- If we don't do anything, ultimately we'll get this slot so I would like us to understand how that works. 02:14:06.800 -- Would that be the same person or same set of people presenting on those two subjects? No, they're completely unrelated. 02:14:13.408 -- Well, we could make it. 02:14:13.408 -- We should have FAA a day. 02:14:15.807 -- We don't have to have it at the same time. 02:14:20.908 -- Right. 02:14:21.908 -- Yes. 02:14:23.908 -- Yeah, I just we keep talking about all these airspace requirements, and I know that they infrastructure across the country. 02:14:41.775 -- I know they've been talking about this since I've been in college and that was 20 years ago, but it seems like this is really becoming a realistic thing that could happen and to eliminate things based on airspace with the current technology may not be a very smart long-term decision because by time this issue comes to be in CTAC, we could have a completely different air traffic system that's more efficient, that works better, and can handle more aircraft, or maybe not handle more, but be more sufficient. 02:15:20.543 -- There's joint use airports all across the country, and I just don't feel it should be eliminated right off the bat. 02:15:25.184 -- That's just my piece. 02:15:32.224 -- Okay, I tend to agree with you. 02:15:32.224 -- I think the speaks to the kind of the importance of hearing issues that we talked about and plus the potential for ATC modernization so that we can actually end working through the RFU so we could have some more informed guidance before we take hard recommendations. 02:15:49.752 -- The other thing to take into account though is even a good wave of magic wand tomorrow and have more Last slide, let's go up the SCA right now, so we're straight. 02:16:10.712 -- Right. 02:16:11.712 -- So I'm going to add my home capacity. 02:16:18.712 -- So getting back to the specific language that says, we need to address the G of LN question. 02:16:25.712 -- Well, it was later asked to answer that question fairly early on. 02:16:30.712 -- It sounds like we needed to invite them, and then let them tell us what they're going tell us. 02:16:36.334 -- one way or the other. 02:16:36.334 -- So then we can pass that along to the legislature. 02:16:40.334 -- I think we talked about how many possible meetings there as well. 02:16:44.334 -- I mean, instead of having them come down as we go to that one. 02:16:48.334 -- Yeah. 02:16:50.334 -- So he's that. 02:16:52.334 -- I can sign the letter as far as drafting letter. 02:16:58.334 -- We can work together on that, okay. 02:17:05.263 -- I'm just referring to this program. 02:17:05.263 -- So, the intent is for them to speak about the compatibility. 02:17:11.263 -- Or form lack thereof. 02:17:15.263 -- I didn't want to say incompatible, it sounds negative. 02:17:19.263 -- Okay, thank you. 02:17:23.263 -- And then similarly to reach out to the FAA. 02:17:33.231 -- I can do that. 02:17:35.231 -- Okay. 02:17:37.231 -- That. 02:17:39.231 -- Just have to ask. 02:17:41.231 -- I know we asked JBL the. 02:17:45.231 -- Invite us there for our meeting. 02:17:47.231 -- Yes, I was saying. 02:17:49.231 -- I think the outfit. 02:17:51.231 -- Someone said something. 02:17:53.231 -- Yeah. 02:17:54.231 -- Presentation. 02:17:55.231 -- I don't think they offered to have a stare. 02:17:57.231 -- But that would show really good. 02:17:59.550 -- Yeah, the only, I mean, you only started getting a putting on the installation that's there are a bunch of issues related to that and it can be done, but also for the general to be available in the public. 02:18:18.752 -- You've never even moved off base. 02:18:18.752 -- Yeah. 02:18:18.752 -- But yeah, Mr. 02:18:18.752 -- Chair, it seems like I've been to a public meeting there. 02:18:23.391 -- Like, is there a golf course nearby or? Yeah yeah. 02:18:27.664 -- Yeah, so yeah, I think there's a place where they do that. 02:18:27.664 -- Yeah. 02:18:27.664 -- That's off. 02:18:31.664 -- Thats off the installation, but you're right. 02:18:33.664 -- Yeah yeah. 02:18:43.664 -- Okay. 02:18:45.664 -- We're still in next steps, right? We were still at next step. 02:18:47.664 -- Yes, because we've actually burned into the next topic for us, which was planning a next set of meetings. 02:18:55.056 -- Yeah, we definitely have a couple of things we should talk about. 02:18:55.056 -- One I'm going to keep reiterating is in two months and very, you are no longer chair because you're not alone. 02:19:05.775 -- So again, I want to make sure that one environment, I am hoping that the next dose of being part, action items are being tracked somewhere. 02:19:10.816 -- I know we talked about a few during this meeting, but I don't know if they're being captured, but one would be about again making sure we can get those terms solidified, because again, the rest of the work pales, if we're inviting people from the FAA and other places to meet us where we can't vote or not technically on the word group anymore because of that. 02:19:21.406 -- So again making sure that we have those hands tied up within the next couple of months because, again term limits are right around the corner. 02:19:46.478 -- Then, too, again, I brought up the idea of having some type of subcommittee to manage this process with the RFQ and answering any subsequent questions around that so that we do meet again that you have something more foundational around it instead of discussing it again. 02:20:04.920 -- And you do the same way. 02:20:06.920 -- Who was on the RFQ draft subcommittee? Yeah. 02:20:13.072 -- You all want to continue is the sort of RFQ process management subcommittee To try to come up with even while I'm reading I think that's fine. 02:20:19.731 -- I guess I thought we'd kind of resolve what was going to be in the RFU And then who follows up wait what happens after that? Because they're gonna give we're going get the she sends it out. 02:20:28.871 -- Yeah, it'll be the watch talking office that sends It out, but then it will have to beat this group that makes the selection Sure. 02:20:40.772 -- So if you want to have a subcommittee to do the interviews, or review those medals, whatever. 02:20:47.092 -- That's what I heard you suggesting. 02:20:48.932 -- Yes. 02:20:49.932 -- I just want, I don't want that to happen. 02:20:51.412 -- And we pause again, if, OK, now what do you do? Let us get that lined up now so we can keep the ball rolling. 02:20:59.131 -- So just to recap, Ann is going to include that paragraph from page 38 that we talked about this morning. 02:21:06.852 -- And she's going issue the RFQ. 02:21:10.319 -- Then when we get offers The four questions that was going to be a period where we're going get questions from potential Responders, which we will answer back and forth We could do that as a subcommittee or we could you that is it? Oh, maybe Once we'll get past that Q&A portion then these Offers coming in then the a whole, I think, would want to make that selection. 02:21:41.512 -- It could have a recommendation from if we have an RFQ subcommittee that could make a recommendation to the group as a total, but I think the crew is a hole that should approve it. 02:21:52.912 -- That's kind of my take on how this would flow. 02:21:55.111 -- Yeah. 02:21:56.111 -- Does that make sense? Yeah, it wouldn't work to have them come in a few of the candidates to meet the entire. 02:22:00.711 -- So with that in mind, I would offer to continue on the RFq subgroup. 02:22:05.376 -- Ellie, I can help because I've done a selection process for myself there before. 02:22:12.656 -- I have a question about who answers their questions though because there could be a quite a difference in opinion around this table on what the answer of any particular question they might have. 02:22:24.816 -- I think we could bring them to the fold. 02:22:24.816 -- Yeah, okay. 02:22:24.816 -- And maybe that's something we can we do things like this without bypassing the public records act? It's less than business. 02:22:41.407 -- We have to make sure the RFQ sub-committee is less than a quorum of the full group and with only seven voting members right now, that means we can't remember the three people on the RQ subcommittee and to be able to have a discussion with my email it does a concert call. 02:22:59.327 -- It does not. 02:22:59.327 -- That does If you had one of three things the full group can bring people that could discuss them amongst themselves and then say here's what we're going to pretend to put a folder in the next page. 02:23:14.592 -- Okay. 02:23:17.592 -- Yeah, I also know a process that you did counsel so even in discussion to call it workshopping. 02:23:31.600 -- And, um, clarification, that discussion on the city includes non voting members. 02:23:36.600 -- That's a question. 02:23:38.600 -- I may think the overall discussion should include all that. 02:23:41.600 -- A full membership, right. 02:23:41.600 -- But as far as. 02:23:44.600 -- The final point of adoption. 02:23:47.600 -- Yeah. 02:23:48.600 -- Yeah, they need a voting and then also that, just a determination of the public meetings, a quorum, voting numbers only. 02:23:55.600 -- Yeah but by the time that comes around unless the state does something, there are only five of you. 02:23:58.600 -- Right. 02:24:01.456 -- of the 19. 02:24:03.456 -- It's because I'm here at one stage of breakfast, and I'll merge for us. 02:24:09.456 -- Was there, sorry, was that a letter we were supposed to write when we're at fine, and that we are here, was there something we weren't supposed to submit forward? Yeah, we talked about that earlier as an action. 02:24:20.456 -- I don't know. 02:24:21.456 -- Sorry. 02:24:22.456 -- No. 02:24:23.456 -- And when will we be sending that? I am just thinking of their vacations and That's what I'm trying to get us to. 02:24:34.440 -- Thank you. 02:24:35.440 -- I think we're going to recommend it and it helps us. 02:24:39.440 -- Which letter, which of the several letters? This is emerging. 02:24:45.440 -- The real point. 02:24:48.440 -- Oh, yeah. 02:24:50.440 -- I wrote a letter to the governor already. 02:24:53.440 -- So nobody asked me to, but I guess more from the formal concrete. 02:24:58.440 -- He's already talked to this. 02:25:01.023 -- She's talked to him, but more can we and our representative is just told us online that he's talked and having a meeting next week. 02:25:07.343 -- If the five members that are still on want to sign a letter, I think it's great. 02:25:18.304 -- But the time they read it, hopefully they'll already read a decision. 02:25:31.023 -- What was the action for the last... Sorry, Kristin, I think we should give it to you. 02:25:44.023 -- I don't have those notes with me, but I-I think that they were asking, well, this is my memory. 02:25:50.023 -- Mm-hmm. 02:26:00.191 -- They've done that because they they were asking for from the airports and a lot of different people for that kind of a good But then they I think they also said For a letter to the governor, but I but as the chair said, I I think we're working through that so I can pose issues on the appointments and just to be clear My conversation with the Governor's office The feedback that I got was this is all silly everybody who's appointed like basically your expiration dates don't matter. 02:26:29.183 -- You're on the committee and you're doing more. 02:26:34.144 -- So we were challenged by the public who voted and we had very early on so whether the governor's office thinks it doesn't mean or not it probably thinks and I responded to them that way and when have our full committee or you know one on your letter when you were so it's each person to play yes so its a rolling so we don't all expire off somewhere and like if so like some of us were appointed a month before we even had a meeting or too much right yeah i'm just saying if i was And those that are asking for it are not within terms of something like that. 02:27:30.639 -- I'd like to share the experience of the Egypt Council wherein we could not vote until we were fully seated. 02:27:38.159 -- So for one year, the way to do business is we learn, we plan, and we ban what appears to be doing consensus agreements. 02:27:53.600 -- because our work is traumatic and yet you have to be able to do something. 02:28:00.399 -- I think it's okay to solve. 02:28:04.639 -- I just want to make sure that someone's watching. 02:28:06.799 -- They're not necessarily assuming somebody else is watching it. 02:28:09.920 -- I am. 02:28:09.920 -- I haven't. 02:28:12.239 -- I'm just not going to see seeing everybody on my own. 02:28:14.319 -- It's good to know. 02:28:19.984 -- And one last thing, and this goes into the scheduling the 2025 meeting. 02:28:26.584 -- Thank you to everyone who did fill out the form. 02:28:29.224 -- Did I send out about that? And what I can tell you is majority, you did it 13. 02:28:36.664 -- So yeah, the majority suggested that after this meeting, Our meeting frequency would be every two months alternating between hybrid and virtual. 02:28:54.448 -- So with this one being hybrid, the next one would particularly be virtual and we're looking at July. 02:29:02.448 -- If that is still a majority of businesses unless some change. 02:29:08.448 -- So you take that information and do it with it. 02:29:16.368 -- I think I voted for that office, so I didn't get off, but some of what we're doing by presentations, really lends itself to the good weather summer and who's willing to do things when. 02:29:45.200 -- So I feel like we shouldn't necessarily, you know, glue ourselves to a hybrid virtual every other. 02:29:52.879 -- And if you know if we said the FAA said yeah we can do our presentation virtually to net lends itself into a virtual meeting but if one of the airports is I think we also we had suggested Yeah, but I would also say too that to but conversely, I'd say probably people are traveling and vacationing in July and so they would probably be more likely to do a virtual than an in person. 02:30:27.935 -- Having living east of the mountains. 02:30:43.711 -- Mr. 02:30:43.711 -- Chair here, it's better to kind of leave that open, but if it is hybrid, you can join our question. 02:30:52.432 -- Is it that the challenge is more of finding a location hybrid than it has? Yeah, because I mean, if you cannot come and you always have to be able to all be hybrid as far as I'm concerned. 02:31:01.711 -- But just to alternate between virtual and in person is maybe not such a good idea. 02:31:11.871 -- Yeah, but you have to make them all hybridize them on. 02:31:15.471 -- The other part, the part B to that is that if we suck to that, then the one that we would do in September, the majority voted on Eastern Washington. 02:31:27.971 -- So a theory that makes hybrid slash in person could be in September on your side of the mountain. 02:31:34.672 -- Yeah. 02:31:35.672 -- So again, take that information. 02:31:39.504 -- Yeah, I just really want to support total hybrid for all meetings because of accessibility for the public as well as so. 02:31:48.384 -- Yeah. 02:31:48.384 -- I think that makes a ton of sense. 02:31:48.384 -- Just like we have, you know, about participating today and others and people joining us, the ability to join us online, probably complicates things for Christina as far as finding places that have stable and fast If we can pick dates further in advance. 02:32:10.128 -- In advance, yes. 02:32:11.247 -- In the advance is good. 02:32:13.368 -- Yeah, but at least it gives you a running start on it. 02:32:17.847 -- I will propose, let's lock down a date for July right now. 02:32:22.768 -- And then we will volunteer to send out another one with actual dates for the rest of the year, and coordinate with Christina on that. 02:32:32.495 -- But since we're all getting down in July's around the corner, I think we might be in a better position right now to say whether or not all virtual in july makes sense or no. 02:32:41.935 -- Do we have a calendar? In this sense, is there like a rhythm we could use like today's like upper state or to the first? We'll be able to pick up our rhythm. 02:32:55.536 -- Nope. 02:32:58.095 -- Mainly because I didn't ask. 02:32:59.536 -- The first day that they have jumped up between Tuesdays and Wednesdays or Thursdays, but I also feel like some of you have kind of very solid, strict schedules that need to be adhered to. 02:33:11.376 -- So I would say definitely not Monday. 02:33:11.376 -- I was saying no Mondays and no Fridays in my own personal day. 02:33:26.144 -- I've got a meeting and we're looking for a year into a lot. 02:33:28.783 -- Yes. 02:33:29.783 -- Well, let's see. 02:33:30.783 -- It's today. 02:33:31.783 -- Let me see it. 02:33:32.783 -- I love the 24th of July. 02:33:33.783 -- Yeah, okay. 02:33:34.783 -- Maybe for my birthday. 02:33:35.783 -- That's a San Diego advisory committee meeting if you're going to be there in Japan. 02:33:48.927 -- You're in there. 02:33:49.927 -- How much time do you have to go to life? How long have you been to sleep on it? You didn't hide rid of it. 02:33:58.927 -- I was first in July of 17, or working. 02:34:06.927 -- Yeah. 02:34:07.927 -- It would be a hybrid. 02:34:09.927 -- It's virtual. 02:34:10.927 -- Every day. 02:34:12.927 -- When I'll hybrid means that there's an actual physical location too. 02:34:15.927 -- We're just trying to do virtual work. 02:34:18.384 -- I'll be in a conference in Spokane on the 15th through the 17th but the 24th works better for me. 02:34:47.968 -- I'm here, but we get counsel on the 20 points. 02:34:47.968 -- So I'll pass the senate. 02:34:47.968 -- Who's okay if it's because it was totally Virtual it totally the July meeting will be totally virtual No, they're about the 10th I think the ten points for me and unfortunately important for We have our regional technical advisory committee. 02:35:16.816 -- It's our monthly operational meeting during the middle of the day. 02:35:27.816 -- I think it's going to be hard to get everyone's schedule. 02:35:32.816 -- Just find a day and pick it and show up. 02:35:44.448 -- Um, the 10th is bad for my whole entire office, which is those guys. 02:35:52.247 -- Shall we just walk to 17? Does anyone want to move for a vote? Folks, vote for yes, and even if they may vote for that date, even it means they're not going to be. 02:36:13.775 -- Is there a motion to vote to set the 17th or the 24th? I'll make the motion of voting for the 16th. 02:36:20.855 -- OK, second. 02:36:23.136 -- All in favor of the seventeen. 02:36:29.056 -- OK. 02:36:29.556 -- Try to voice vote first. 02:36:31.335 -- If I were the seventeenth, say aye. 02:36:33.335 -- Aye, ayes. 02:36:34.296 -- Be opposed. 02:36:37.095 -- All right, 17 carries. 02:36:39.536 -- Is that one vibrant? Thursday, you'll have something virtual. 02:36:43.775 -- First of all, and we'll, I think we should always invite, like, suggestions to be invited presentation, or simply like the FAA would be probably happy to do virtual versus a person. 02:36:58.775 -- It's gonna be a slide deck. 02:37:00.775 -- Yeah. 02:37:01.775 -- So. 02:37:02.775 -- Also. 02:37:04.775 -- Yeah, and right. 02:37:13.343 -- We've done one for the legislature, like 20 minutes, thank you again. 02:37:20.343 -- I just don't have folks with TV. 02:37:20.343 -- We'll go. 02:37:30.343 -- Okay. 02:37:34.343 -- All right, July 17. 02:37:35.343 -- 10 o'clock. 02:37:36.343 -- 10 O' clock. 02:37:38.343 -- All. 02:37:43.791 -- Ray is going to approach the criminal justice council, which is discussed in the used actory section I mentioned to you all earlier. 02:37:55.072 -- And you want to talk to the FAA? Mm-hmm. 02:38:12.656 -- beyond July. 02:38:14.615 -- At least you were going to, you wanted to send a survey for dates? Yep. 02:38:19.896 -- So beyond, July? Yep, yeah. 02:38:21.896 -- Mr. 02:38:21.896 -- Chair, if I could be excused on that day from 10 to 11, 30, for the meeting. 02:38:32.095 -- All right, I'm sorry. 02:38:34.935 -- For the 17th, If I can be excuse from the 10-1,30, so I'll be correct. 02:38:39.376 -- Sure. 02:38:46.191 -- So then the annual report, we'll have to spend some time on our September calendar essentially deciding what's going to go into the Annual Report and what I'd suggest maybe do is in Extremely brief virtual only meeting in October to simply adopt the end of a report graph We can adopt it ahead of the deadline And hopefully how in the RFQ is there I don't recall from the draft is they're like a Is it set of deadline neighbors? Is that a period of time? Like a certain number of days or weeks from when it's posted to get responses? It's usually a set. 02:39:52.639 -- And so what I was thinking is I would just work with the RFQ committee on that because I can't say at this point what those all those days would be. 02:40:06.639 -- Okay. 02:40:11.247 -- That's not my theme, it's the washback contract in the team, and so who else? Okay. 02:40:19.247 -- Speculating whether or not we would have anything to discuss in July for that. 02:40:24.247 -- You know, we have two months. 02:40:27.247 -- There's enough time for people to get submissions turned around and set back towards. 02:40:33.247 -- No. 02:40:34.247 -- So probably September is going to be. 02:40:36.247 -- Yeah. 02:40:48.208 -- September would be hybrid, following the patterns of timber will be hybrid. 02:40:56.427 -- So we'd be thinking Eastern Washington location. 02:40:56.427 -- Okay, would you like me to coordinate something like we do it here today at Ford? I think that makes a ton of sense. 02:41:05.727 -- You know, we know that Yakima continues to express interest expressed interest late in the last process. 02:41:16.736 -- We'll shut out of it because of the requirements that goes on the cacti. 02:41:24.736 -- All right, I'll see what I coordinate with the acclawn. 02:41:27.736 -- See what we can set up for some time in September. 02:41:33.736 -- So we might leave that date open until I can coordinate them a little bit. 02:41:38.736 -- Yeah, that would be the one. 02:41:42.959 -- The kindness of others to host us, we should figure out what their availability is. 02:41:46.959 -- Yeah. 02:41:47.959 -- Same as today. 02:41:54.959 -- I'm a little confused. 02:41:56.959 -- I totally doing every other that and I for September, the active model. 02:42:01.959 -- So. 02:42:05.959 -- I just because October 31st is the. 02:42:09.647 -- internal wash that deadline for us to give them a our adopted annual report that has to be sitting in the legislation right this summer first. 02:42:17.087 -- So we have to adopt it. 02:42:20.727 -- Yeah so that would be an out of order so our next regular meeting would be November. 02:42:35.343 -- We can decide every place November or we can still have a real meeting in November to do real business and have the October meeting simply be like we did last year when it was a half an hour on and off the record where we thought we get was And I think that's why I was Is your survey which is a survey being all the way to the end of the year. 02:43:07.247 -- So I'm going to click November days to yep. 02:43:11.247 -- Let me take the summer off. 02:43:15.727 -- Familiar with the public agency that routinely used an 11 month calendar for calendar and things take over four years because the tree November and December has one month. 02:43:26.208 -- That's all it is. 02:43:34.191 -- Okay. 02:43:36.191 -- Um. 02:43:38.191 -- You had suggested that we. 02:44:00.879 -- past the past chair of the CAC to sort of present and answer some questions about that process at one of our meetings, Mr. 02:44:11.040 -- Henderson. 02:44:11.040 -- Yeah, there's two people that are kind of familiar with the I'm going to invite Rob Hudgman to be an ongoing member, so now Warren Hendrickson is a member of the Warship State Aviation Alliance. 02:44:44.896 -- So Christina, if we're going ask, they may, the Alliance may actually nominate Warren Hendricks. 02:44:55.296 -- I am not sure. 02:45:00.623 -- So we could do a couple of things. 02:45:00.623 -- One, we can just wait and ask Rob Pudgman to give us a briefing on what they've done. 02:45:10.623 -- And he might want to maybe ask Warren Hendrickson to make a presentation along with him, something like that. 02:45:18.623 -- If that sounds reasonable. 02:45:28.943 -- We could do that in September. 02:45:28.943 -- We're going to get Yakumov, a warrant for our husband is the airport director in there. 02:45:35.144 -- So he could get us up to speed a little bit. 02:45:42.424 -- Excuse me. 02:45:42.424 -- And then we'll be asked for him for a buggy. 02:45:42.424 -- He thinks he's also So it's however you want to see. 02:46:01.495 -- Yeah, or however we can. 02:46:04.216 -- Um, don't I? Does anyone have thoughts when we're here? I'm not sure how much time you want to give it. 02:46:59.791 -- Because we also want to leave time for you to talk about where they see Yakima play out. 02:46:59.791 -- Yeah, so there's two different subjects. 02:46:59.791 -- They were really, yeah Rob is looks like he is on the suit if you want it to be done. 02:47:09.791 -- Yes Is he on a call? Yes. 02:47:17.191 -- Oh, yes. 02:47:17.191 -- Let's meet for himself now. 02:47:17.191 -- I'm calling out for sure. 02:47:17.191 -- Okay Rob, I am going to mute you if your still here If he, if he times in, everyone's nightmare to get, you step out of the room. 02:47:41.780 -- Yeah, I know. 02:47:42.780 -- I really think it's all gone. 02:47:44.780 -- So, he wants to set that up. 02:47:47.280 -- Uh, now maybe we should just have that. 02:47:50.680 -- Since that's two meetings out, we have time to have that discussion and decided to lie exactly what was going on in this period. 02:48:21.040 -- any other hidden survey results? Are there any other trends or things like that? Those are the test pertinent for right now. 02:48:28.959 -- Okay, cool. 02:48:28.959 -- Thank you for running that survey and I'm glad if we don't respond at this time, not like the first time. 02:48:42.719 -- Okay. 02:48:42.719 -- Well, we are agenda and we're also at the end of my notes other than the subject of a location for note number but how well the government would be at all online editing location you can't have okay well does anyone else have anything to bring up before we adjourn for a parade as you know you're raising your hand Since we have a little bit of extra time on the agenda, first off, I want to remind everybody that I am here as a non-voting member, as the director of the aviation division, I'm not a leader or in any way in charge of work that this group does. 02:49:35.840 -- So having said that, I just wanted to take an opportunity to share with the group some of the thoughts that I've been having about where we're going and I'm guessing that everybody else has been having thoughts too. 02:49:53.087 -- So if we've got some extra time, you know, maybe we could all share a little bit. 02:50:00.128 -- Kind of what's been going through my head. 02:50:05.647 -- With the work that the CAC did, they did a site selection process. 02:50:11.904 -- which we heard loud and clear that nobody said, please build a new airport in my backyard. 02:50:19.984 -- But since then, we've heard a couple of, well, right. 02:50:24.304 -- Well, and thank you all, because that's exactly what I was going to say. 02:50:27.623 -- Yakima has said pick me and pick me. 02:50:31.343 -- At our last meeting, there was a representative. 02:50:35.463 -- I may get this wrong, but I believe she was from the Burian City Council. 02:50:40.719 -- And she said that what she hears from her piece of shorts is, on the one hand, they don't like them the ways and everything associated with the airport there. 02:50:50.719 -- On the other hand there are people, members of the business community that appreciate the economic activity that helps as the result of airport. 02:51:07.631 -- I'm thinking when we get to the point of making recommendations, it might be interesting to make a recommendation that instead of this group picking what's going to happen where we seek proposals from communities where they have already reached out to airlines and found airlines that are interested in providing service and interested building their transportation infrastructure, whatever mode that might be, so that we give communities the opportunity to plan for and resolve the issues at the community level, rather than the state reaching out and saying, we picked you, you will do this. 02:51:49.520 -- So, just a concept I wanted to throw out there. 02:51:55.840 -- Well, yeah, and then it was exact, I think I said it earlier or what we charge with that we should be going to the communities and asking what their needs are. 02:52:09.695 -- Our job, according to what it says, is to determine the needs of the state in aviation, commercial aviation. 02:52:15.136 -- Unless I read that wrong, that's what it said, and it spells it out very clearly. 02:52:18.175 -- Now, how do you determine the need if you don't talk to people that need it? All right, we're sitting here and saying, They might not need it. 02:52:29.808 -- They may not want it it might be even good there We don't if we put it there and so again with exactly what you said I think the needs of the where we're looking at That's why I always thought we should go to all these different communities and ask them what their needs What is it you would like to see in commercial aviation? I thought that was what our charge was not for us to sit here and dictate what people were going to do. 02:52:57.543 -- We found out that didn't work. 02:52:59.043 -- Right. 02:52:59.543 -- All right. 02:53:00.144 -- Right, right, and I agree with you. 02:53:03.343 -- Okay, I've been thinking similarly. 02:53:06.943 -- I'm very excited that pain field was willing to host us today and take us on tour because they just adopted the Master Plan that was involved in it. 02:53:17.043 -- The Master plan envisions growth and plans for it, it's. 02:53:21.824 -- They have done the community outreach work in this community, and I sort of expected the presentation, something like, here's the planning we've done and we have no way to pay for it. 02:53:33.824 -- And I was actually pretty surprised, as far as you say, actually, you think we can pay all this, and here is how we're going to do it, and to have, you know, of the anticipated recognizing that there are some people who disagree with the long-term planning numbers for the passage of the area. 02:53:54.432 -- So if you like, that's, there's some disagreement on that. 02:53:58.391 -- That they are already planning to work up to 6 million passengers a year of that gap. 02:54:05.391 -- It's extremely helpful to this group's vision. 02:54:10.391 -- My question, I will have you thought about what happens after 6 billion. 02:54:15.951 -- What's because we're being charged which is kind of a longer time span to plan for Then then their plan exciting and if you multiply The plan enjoying out here work here with Bellingham and their master plan Yakima, you know, and then the rail folks The solution starts to look like you have the network that's connected on the ground, and if I live in South Vernon, I might equally choose, depending on where I'm flying, a train trip to Bellingham, Everett or Seattle, connected to the flight. 02:54:56.783 -- I actually had a question for you, you know, partners with Amtrak Cascades, and they're darned along with the order of longer. 02:55:15.536 -- There are many examples around the world of airlines placing codes on trains and are cross-selling like Deutsche Bank, bus shots and bus trip. 02:55:26.896 -- And so, that's until we maybe already think about it. 02:55:32.816 -- But how, at the last go or the other end, I thought about cross selling with I could buy a fruit ticket on a last website from Mt. 02:55:41.567 -- Vernon Amtrak station to Port of Air. 02:55:49.567 -- Since it's an interesting question, so I can't speak to what other airlines have considered in the US. 02:56:00.288 -- I know that does said construct exists, both actually today with buses, in some cases in the case of major network legacy airlines, like Alaska, where our hubs are really dependent on competitive flow markets, say, for example, connecting Spokane over Seattle to LA. 02:56:27.280 -- In the cases of Portland Seattle, our non-stop flights are only about 20% of those passengers, maybe less for traveling to and from the cities. 02:56:32.479 -- So it's important to consider that we are competing not just with drive markets but also other airlines hubs that are able to connect. 02:56:46.768 -- I think the infrastructure as it sits today with multi-modal transportation candidly would make airlines in Seattle not only less competitive because those connections it doesn't really work. 02:57:02.703 -- If you're adding, you call it two, three, four hours, however long the additional protection time to be. 02:57:06.943 -- So that is just something to consider. 02:57:06.943 -- Not to say that it's not a viable idea. 02:57:11.984 -- I think ultimately, as the infrastructure sits today, it is a bit of a niche product that we'd have to look and see what the impact of the connectivity hub actually would be and then how that might change Seattle's competitiveness relative to other large how there are ports. 02:57:31.471 -- the fact on the ground that the Tuck Willa Amtrak station is five miles away outside security from CTX terminal as opposed to connecting over sentences, from flight, you've tried to ever fly, ever it's happened. 02:57:43.891 -- So let's go to Sydney or whatever, exactly. 02:57:49.352 -- So, it was a long way to say it is challenging. 02:57:49.352 -- Yeah. 02:57:54.272 -- I don't know if this came up during the time I had to step out during master plan presentation. 02:58:00.816 -- I'm wondering if we can also start to make sure that we're having especially in these mayonnaise having some chunk of conversation around multimodal. 02:58:12.296 -- But like we keep defaulting to air to ports, even though it's in our mission to talk about multi-mobile. 02:58:22.912 -- And I think one of the things I hope for, and I will take responsibility for not pushing this issue, and maybe just maybe another subcommittee or something to just kind of focus on a gender setting. 02:58:32.912 -- Like, I want to, because of everything that's happened up here and I live here, so maybe that client's super alert to it. 02:58:40.272 -- is you know we have the expansion of light rail now in Lindwood and eventually up to here and you now with our commercial airport in general aviation and being able to talk about how does that impact transportation around here getting from the east side to over here and down south eventually points north. 02:58:58.191 -- So like I would have loved if we had somebody here from like Sound Transit to talked about the new link light rails and how that's connecting up the here with the And how that contributes to all of this. 02:59:09.327 -- So again, I don't know if those pieces came up during the master plan discussion because I know that we talked about it a lot when I was on the airport commission as part of that as well. 02:59:39.407 -- multimodal operations out there to kind of talk about what they're doing in this space and in that respect of region of not the state. 02:59:49.847 -- As far as it said that they are trying to get the length line extension routed through the basket terminal here but there's no money for it. 03:00:02.672 -- But that may have said I think it would have still been great. 03:00:02.672 -- The human thing would couldn't have come from drugs just to make sure. 03:00:09.272 -- That's why we should not, we're not just talking about the one thing, the root choice, when we talk about all the things. 03:00:14.672 -- Yeah. 03:00:15.672 -- I believe that along those lines, there's a very, very important person. 03:00:20.672 -- Her name is Meredith Richards. 03:00:23.672 -- And she used to be on the state of Virginia's department of transportation. 03:00:29.664 -- And she has an interesting presentation on why the state of Virginia decided to build an interstate rail network instead of expanding I-95 between Wars and D.C. and Richmond. 03:00:44.664 -- And her argument is a little bit like I believe the cost to add another lane each direction between wars and d.c. in Richmond on I95 was $50 billion, I believe, and they found out that they could build a reasonably high-speed statewide rail network for far less than that and that's what they're doing today and She said not only that by the time they got that extra lane build on I-95 That it would be completely congested as soon as it got finished So they can move a lot more people faster And in a more environmentally friendly manner, more efficiently, with there's a statewide rail network. 03:01:33.432 -- So they received some grants under the bipartisan infrastructure law that provides $60 billion for rail under different projects. 03:01:45.432 -- There's some 60 different rail projects right now in the United States. 03:01:50.432 -- But she would be an interesting presenter. 03:01:55.216 -- I mean, if we're interested in that kind of topic, you know, and she'd do it virtually, I don't know if she was in the woods in D.C. area, but I think she would do the version of it. 03:02:04.736 -- I could probably arrange that if you guys wanted that idea, actually. 03:02:09.376 -- Maybe a 30-minute presentation or something like that. 03:02:12.015 -- And that reminds me, I guess, on our longtime speaker idealist has met the They already know that they have an open invitation, so whenever we want them on the agenda. 03:02:32.087 -- There's a related project in the mill, too. 03:02:36.087 -- I'm not sure if you guys are aware or not, but the federal railroad administration conducted a two-year study about the restoration of long-distance trains in United States. 03:02:54.000 -- There's 15 long-distance routes in that study that are recommended for restoration. 03:02:59.639 -- One of them is from Chicago to basically through southern Montana, to Spokane, Dry City, Giacomo, River Stampede, past of Auburn and NCL. 03:03:21.711 -- folks could apply for? Will the state of Montana apply and receive the grant from the FRA group begin planning for the restoration of that route, which was discontinued in 1971 or something like that. 03:03:37.631 -- But anyway, that's the contractor that is working on that for And Ann, I know Jason Biggs has been working with them on this subject, too, so then WashDOT knows what's going on here, but that's another subject. 03:03:57.255 -- The contractor is David Evans and Associates, who is doing the work for the state of Montana. 03:04:05.255 -- And that is another interesting subject that Ann could be briefed on that relates to the multiple. 03:04:16.048 -- I'm very visual and asking a question, is there some kind of a map that shows the current different ways of transportation that connects various parts of the state of Washington? And is something really though, well, I start with the two different planners that speaks to how they're planning to expand the State responsible areas. 03:04:44.623 -- I didn't speak to that a little bit. 03:04:46.863 -- Right now, WashDOT, real greats and forts division is preparing a statewide revision to their state rail plan. 03:04:55.804 -- It's over the public comment right now up through June. 03:04:59.904 -- And that contains a very detailed map of every railroad in the state of Washington. 03:05:08.103 -- Also just recently, WashdOT completed a study of We're expanding statewide state sponsored bus service, and there are several different routes that are being recommended by Wash Dots. 03:05:23.167 -- You know, maybe not a word, right now there is a Wash Dot sponsored state. 03:05:30.352 -- Plus playing around. 03:05:30.352 -- There's like scattered individual routes and they're trying to make a great line at the line And I've forgotten it's or done on this line So the idea is to expand some of those and some those would have a connecting service to passenger rail and in your ports So that's another presentation. 03:05:48.471 -- We could give Stuff So, our neighborhood, we can hear, maybe we capitalize a lot on University of Washington academics and pass the lead, and I'm thinking, you know, GPS capacity, that we have all these maps. 03:06:14.840 -- It's almost like the body movement is so long ago with the school. 03:06:19.200 -- You can turn the page and you're salping, it shows different assistance in the bodies, and we do have a comprehensive sense of what's going on. 03:06:29.487 -- Yeah, I just want to follow up on Gary's comments. 03:06:29.487 -- The public transportation office at Woz. 03:06:29.487 -- is finishing up their inner city bus plan. 03:06:29.487 -- There is efforts moving forward that would extend. 03:06:29.487 -- I think it's the grape line. 03:06:55.376 -- and connecting Ellensburg all the way to Pasco, where that continues on to Walla Wallah, but that would provide improved bus service along that corridor in addition to efforts that So, that the discussions on that and even some stuff we're doing in the ACMA region might be something we add to the agenda in September. 03:07:45.584 -- and tracked to the Red Bend, Oregon airport one time. 03:07:48.584 -- Yeah. 03:07:49.584 -- Carved down. 03:07:57.584 -- I think the I-5 corridor through a washout there team would be good to connect with. 03:08:02.584 -- They looked at a lot of different modes of transportation, high-speed rail, flights. 03:08:08.584 -- But what they're also looking at are the exits that lead on and off. 03:08:13.551 -- So if you're looking at CTAC airport, the autumn off ramps is what they're looking out, which ones are going to be closed, which one's are open. 03:08:20.752 -- I think it's really important because at first city still look at that and considerate airports going into their area and their employees, right? People workforce that is really dominant in an area. 03:08:31.951 -- We want to make sure that they have the transportation from their home to work. 03:08:34.832 -- Yeah, airports are huge employers. 03:08:43.023 -- Lower, lower wage workers and frequently aren't commuting my car within the community. 03:08:43.023 -- Yeah Then I'm probably late some of the discussions about what this here does work either situation anywhere Situations young like control and they say I ended up with a car Over here in the CTACs parking lot and I ended up coming back home another route So I had to come in to Seattle just to get just get the car to drive it back, but I was able to pay you know 40 bucks You know less than 12 hours beforehand to hop on a flex bus Used it once it got into the congested part of town off to the card pooling Brought me off right at C-TAC and on C TAC the hospital to the parking lot of the car in fact so I was able to do a 4-round trip in from Moses Lake and all the way back out a little more than six hours, so there is some transportation there already questions Are people going to use it in this area? Does there need to be something available for the people who And the disability at that point. 03:10:03.575 -- I know that. 03:10:04.575 -- You can do that, et cetera. 03:10:05.575 -- But, like, is it obvious enough to people if they can access it? Yeah. 03:10:12.575 -- He said he didn't show us. 03:10:14.575 -- He was a part of the jury. 03:10:16.575 -- I would just check here to make sure you weren't part of his airport. 03:10:19.575 -- Oh, no. 03:10:20.575 -- When I'm part there for like just the validation so I don't have to pay them. 03:10:28.656 -- I'm kidding mostly. 03:10:35.656 -- Does anyone else have, I think, thank you for bringing up the idea that we also just have a talk about stuff, but we don't have to keep talking about that stuff. 03:10:50.656 -- Does anybody have any other stuff to talk? Or was it just looking up the bill itself and reading it? Marius and she was talking about getting some of the presents. 03:11:03.200 -- Oh, got it. 03:11:03.920 -- Yeah, it's July. 03:11:04.719 -- I was quite sure if we were done with that. 03:11:06.000 -- Presenting on it at the July meeting, but then also just read the text, but it has written in, it is a recently enough written statute that is pretty readable, as opposed to very old statute, with languages. 03:11:20.079 -- Not pretty well. 03:11:27.695 -- So I apologize, but I just remember something else that probably this group is interested in. 03:11:36.056 -- Another thing that came out of the legislative session that just ended, and this didn't come through our office, so admittedly I know nothing about this. 03:11:47.536 -- But there is a provider, which is basically like an earmark, that the legislature gave to do a study on ways to reduce demand for air travel out of Seattle. 03:12:08.672 -- I've tried everything I can think of to call somebody in Evergreen that knows who's doing that, whose idea was what they're trying to be, and I cannot find anybody who knows anything about it. 03:12:24.783 -- I'm nodding like I think this was mentioned before that that was out there it was previously and it came kind of through the governor's office and at that point I reached out to the governor office inside who's who is doing this we'd like to talk and they'd ask us to use them as one of our sources so you know the previous one right and we didn't know who the source you So it's there now. 03:12:56.368 -- How much money? It's only $90,000, but, you know, if it is a university doing it, maybe that's what it costs. 03:13:03.368 -- I don't know. 03:13:04.368 -- A bunch of grad students who are so... I'm afraid of what that allows to do. 03:13:09.368 -- But it also means there's somebody out there that wanted to do that and has an interest in past. 03:13:15.368 -- Let's do it once we ask. 03:13:23.711 -- by moving it elsewhere or filing it doesn't. 03:13:23.711 -- I think we can. 03:13:38.752 -- Yeah, you figure it. 03:13:38.752 -- Why? All right. 03:13:44.992 -- Sir, anyone else want to talk about stuff? talking about speaker zone. 03:13:52.304 -- July, we're going to have one that Maria is putting together. 03:13:58.783 -- And then we... September, we would have probably somebody at Yakov talking to us about history. 03:14:00.943 -- The cable work in the Rob Huckman, or Warren Hendricks, and one or the other. 03:14:09.183 -- We need another one in there. 03:14:21.680 -- Yeah, big part of the switch. 03:14:29.879 -- And so then November is the, you don't have anybody, yeah, that somewhere in here, we can get wrong date and talk to us about what's going on with our high speed rail. 03:14:42.920 -- So that's no remember. 03:14:45.159 -- That's the new member for that to be July. 03:14:47.000 -- If it's a reason the FAA is not available. 03:14:50.559 -- One shot got two grants, a rail-related grants. 03:14:54.559 -- One is for to study the feasibility of high-speed rail between Vancouver, BC and Seattle, Portland. 03:15:03.559 -- And they got another grant to basically complete the service of the Gelman Plan for the Amtrak Cascades, which envisions up to 14 round trips per day between Seattle and Spokane. 03:15:19.791 -- Similar to the tomb of two and a half hours each way or For those two of active grants the third one is the one I spoke about the Montana God for the long distance routes study between Probably Seattle So there's three rail related grants active here right now That's your turn yes That reminds me, I don't want to be speaking out of turn, but just a heads up, this is kind of like current events update for all this group that we're dealing with. 03:16:04.639 -- We just got word from the State Attorney General's office that the state can't right that include new federal grant conditions, particularly having to do with state or local government employees assisting ICE with deportation, assisting the federal government. 03:16:34.463 -- New grant language requires that we do that. 03:16:34.463 -- So I just want everybody to know that I don't know what's going to happen. 03:16:48.095 -- There may be an injunction, so everything goes along as planned. 03:16:52.456 -- But it may the federal funding in the Washington State gets turned off, you're pretty soon. 03:16:57.095 -- So just kind of the heads up, watch the news, and see what is going on. 03:17:04.656 -- I just sent everyone a Google form, where they can get an IP as far as the Chickas any. 03:17:10.456 -- We know others. 03:17:11.656 -- I was wondering if part of our report is talking about. 03:17:14.703 -- I mean, it's not really, you know, eco-travel is 2026 as far as all of the houses I've went to so far and airlines talking about, the rates that they'll be setting as far is having these uber-hoppers. 03:17:26.304 -- Are we talking, when we're talking commercial aviation, are we talking south, assisting with aviation fuels, or are talking electrification? Because asking I mean, those are all community factors that we're dealing with right now, talking about these other items as well. 03:17:48.772 -- Is this a part of what this working group will be adding into their report or having a Part of it totally not be? It would be useful to talk about some of the issues in the airline. 03:18:05.272 -- You're actually going to produce carbon emissions over the next five years. 03:18:12.847 -- Actually, I might propose that we add a future agenda. 03:18:17.847 -- We make that be the day because it would be awesome to hear about what the airlines are doing. 03:18:23.847 -- Also within my shop, not the airline stuff, but kind of electric charging stations for aircraft and the smaller type of aircraft. 03:18:42.384 -- I'm preparing for that, so it'd be great to talk about all of that. 03:18:47.384 -- My question is that Rob Hobbin, who's a California report director, has applied for grants for electric charging stations. 03:18:57.384 -- He's got a group, and I forgot who all is involved, but she had a lot of reports. 03:19:03.384 -- She looks, I think. 03:19:06.384 -- I was all planning for electrical charging. 03:19:12.495 -- He's already had meetings, if I know the Pacific Power, and he's being told by over there at gap by airport, to provide 400 KW, something like that, to charge these airplanes. 03:19:24.495 -- And he has got them all mapped out. 03:19:28.495 -- And we're planning on what he is going to be and all that kind of stuff. 03:19:36.048 -- When we spend a lot of time supporting airports on those efforts as well, whether it's grants or just general installation of those things, I should say, and I think it might be worthwhile to have our head of sustainability come in to this group about how we support the airports and other places in there in the church of growth aswell as just the other staff of education and hydrogen, the investments that we make in that front. 03:20:09.007 -- Just sharing permission, the update to the conciliacy reaction for them is the plan will be submitted over also in a second, it includes engaging in past production based on the joint It doesn't impact the big picture and it impacts the scenario. 03:20:45.015 -- Anything else anyone would want to discuss? I think the big question is, Jeff, did you pass your driver's test? Oh, yeah. 03:21:09.111 -- It was the human smuggling at our work time. 03:21:12.111 -- No, we're all together. 03:21:15.412 -- Yay. 03:21:16.412 -- Now you can take us a little. 03:21:17.412 -- That's it. 03:21:18.412 -- I'm right. 03:21:19.412 -- I want yours good. 03:21:21.412 -- You get a C minus. 03:21:23.412 -- Yeah, it's still a house. 03:21:25.412 -- It's a pair of Bill Hill and a parking lot. 03:21:29.412 -- All right, so we have a lot of you adjourned. 03:21:31.412 -- So moved. 03:21:32.412 -- Second. 03:21:33.412 -- OK. 03:21:34.768 -- I don't know. 03:21:35.768 -- Bye. 03:21:36.768 -- Okay. 03:21:37.768 -- Okay, we're adjourned. 03:21:38.768 -- Thank you very much. 03:21:39.768 -- Thank ya. 03:21:40.768 -- Thank y'all. 03:21:41.768 -- Bye-bye. 03:21:42.768 -- Bye, bye. 03:21:43.768 -- Thankyou.