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00:00:03.830 -- This is how the room is being broadcast to zoom.
00:00:08.540 -- So we're gonna move this around.
00:00:08.540 -- Depending on what's happening and this will be.
00:00:14.100 -- The public comment folks will get.
00:00:14.100 -- Senator the farther away from the computer.
00:00:27.500 -- So you're having trouble hearing me.
00:00:27.500 -- I just need to put the mic, right? Yeah.
00:00:31.110 -- Exactly.
00:00:31.110 -- Okay.
00:00:31.110 -- Thank you.
00:00:34.230 -- Senator Keiser was about that.
00:00:39.750 -- Yeah, thank you.
00:00:39.750 -- If that happens again.
00:00:39.750 -- Speak up again, we're working together to make this work.
00:00:44.130 -- And we also, I do have some people on, so.
00:00:49.700 -- Always the people communicate the modern day here, Kim.
00:00:54.430 -- Okay.
00:00:54.430 -- So before the position chair meeting, we're gonna pick up the sheet about two minutes.
00:01:14.660 -- Is your chance to do that.
00:01:14.660 -- And then Terry's gonna bring that over to me.
00:01:18.770 -- We'll be.
00:01:18.770 -- So, again, focus on zoom.
00:01:23.330 -- This is a hybrid.
00:01:23.330 -- Meaning, and we have folks again.
00:01:28.310 -- Through and all the people at zoom are muted.
00:01:31.300 -- And during the public comment, we'll support people to.
00:01:43.289 -- Folks in the room will give public.
00:01:48.160 -- Somebody wants public not available.
00:01:54.220 -- As Senator Keiser noted, you need to meet into the light.
00:01:57.940 -- So when you're making public comment or be recorded, you'll need to use the mic.
00:02:02.900 -- And as they go in, you have to put, which is.
00:02:07.030 -- Awkward right.
00:02:07.030 -- And for folks on the phone, I'll say this again later.
00:02:19.140 -- So I like to hear things multiple times.
00:02:22.840 -- You're on the phone razor hand.
00:02:28.990 -- Star hide and unmute yourself.
00:02:35.270 -- Alright, I think that's everything.
00:02:40.200 -- Alright, so.
00:02:42.180 -- We can have the next slide that people on the phone, they can't hear me talking.
00:02:57.579 -- We didn't test that early.
00:02:57.579 -- We only tested everything, tested everything else.
00:03:07.820 -- Moment.
00:03:12.420 -- So emergency exit everywhere.
00:03:16.500 -- So use exit building.
00:03:19.890 -- Right here that way as well.
00:03:24.680 -- There a fighter extinguisher just outside work right here.
00:03:24.680 -- And there's an AEP, Terry, you don't wanna use it that.
00:03:37.540 -- At launch meeting safety design, Eric Johnson is gonna do that.
00:03:42.270 -- Something happens.
00:03:42.270 -- Call.
00:03:56.380 -- The camera.
00:03:56.380 -- So there's a.
00:03:59.340 -- Mic on the webcam and that is going to the phone.
00:03:59.340 -- Okay, it's doing better.
00:04:04.790 -- Well, we'll figure that out when it comes time for public comment, cause that's gonna be weird.
00:04:07.290 -- Cause maybe we'll move that.
00:04:07.290 -- We'll see.
00:04:12.350 -- Okay.
00:04:12.350 -- We're all learning about this together.
00:04:15.700 -- All the technology coming together at one time.
00:04:15.700 -- Okay.
00:04:20.500 -- So we can go to the agenda slide.
00:04:20.500 -- The slides just say at work.
00:04:26.580 -- So.
00:04:26.580 -- It's that right? So once we do public comments for so formally open the meeting and then we're gonna do public comment about 20 minutes.
00:04:36.580 -- That's.
00:04:36.580 -- Not helpful.
00:04:42.220 -- And then Warren, after the public conference, Warren.
00:04:46.659 -- The content of growth, 1791.
00:04:50.550 -- Including the changes that happened after this pass by the legislature.
00:04:54.420 -- At which effect the ongoing nature of the work that this body's gonna do.
00:04:54.420 -- Right.
00:04:58.980 -- And then he's gonna share the results of.
00:05:00.760 -- The informal survey he did with the CAC members.
00:05:05.380 -- Asking them.
00:05:07.980 -- To get some information from the form of the conversation today.
00:05:11.240 -- Then the commission's gonna conduct a roll call.
00:05:14.300 -- To confirm there is a forum.
00:05:17.700 -- And then the commission members are gonna hold the discussion.
00:05:22.990 -- Okay, so I'm gonna hand it off to, I'm gonna.
00:05:31.590 -- Well, good morning one and all.
00:05:31.590 -- And thank you, Brett.
00:05:31.590 -- Before we go any further, I'm using the microphone on my.
00:05:36.380 -- Laptop.
00:05:39.260 -- I'm concerned about the feedback in the room from the speakers, but before we go any further.
00:05:44.440 -- I want to make sure that we have a good sound system.
00:05:50.860 -- The mic.
00:05:50.860 -- Mute your computer.
00:05:58.640 -- I am now switching to the microphone.
00:06:01.940 -- In the room for those enforcement attendees.
00:06:04.500 -- And the question for those that are online, whether or not sufficient.
00:06:22.600 -- Discount.
00:06:22.600 -- Let know.
00:06:27.900 -- I'm hearing a laptop is better than.
00:06:34.720 -- Question is it's my voice carries into the room and we.
00:06:39.820 -- The speakers and the overhead.
00:06:45.380 -- So don't get feedback.
00:07:01.540 -- Hey, good morning and appreciate your patience with the technical difficulties.
00:07:05.980 -- We have turned off the speakers in the room.
00:07:05.980 -- So that's.
00:07:10.380 -- Not providing any feedback.
00:07:10.380 -- That's intrusive.
00:07:13.540 -- The question now using the.
00:07:13.540 -- Lap laptop microphone.
00:07:17.460 -- If that provides better audio for the online attendees.
00:07:22.380 -- I'm seeing some head nots from our attendees and some thumbs up.
00:07:26.340 -- So we will go.
00:07:26.340 -- With this route.
00:07:29.740 -- And I think if we have the webcam close to the public comment, when we get to that point, then we'll have good audio for.
00:07:36.520 -- Both online and in person.
00:07:36.520 -- Excellent.
00:07:41.190 -- Does that work for everybody here in person? Does it work for everybody online? It's good to have backup plans.
00:07:46.710 -- In any case, can the people, like I saw thumbs up there.
00:07:57.090 -- Great.
00:07:57.090 -- Great.
00:07:57.090 -- Well again, thank you all for attending.
00:08:00.890 -- We're glad to open up this final meeting of the commercial aviation coordinating commission.
00:08:05.760 -- It's hard to believe that this bill was created over four years ago.
00:08:10.740 -- And we as a commission have been at work for over three and a half years.
00:08:14.530 -- Thank you, Brett Halton and w aviation and.
00:08:18.220 -- PRR team for the logistics.
00:08:18.220 -- This is our first in-person meeting.
00:08:22.900 -- In over three years.
00:08:22.900 -- And so that's huge.
00:08:22.900 -- That is huge.
00:08:26.900 -- And as much of a challenge.
00:08:29.100 -- As we had going from in-person to the virtual environment, when the pandemic hit.
00:08:34.070 -- Obviously the pendulum has swung and we have already seen a few challenges in reverting back to an in-person environment, but I think we're in a place now where it can move forward.
00:08:40.580 -- We have, for those of you that are online, it appears that we have approximately 100 participants online.
00:08:51.940 -- We have approximately 20 people.
00:08:51.940 -- Here in the room in person, we are hosting this.
00:08:59.190 -- In-person version of the meeting at south.
00:08:59.190 -- Yeah.
00:08:59.190 -- Puget sound, community college in Lacy.
00:09:03.080 -- Also on the call.
00:09:03.080 -- In, in the event that technical questions come up later from the commission members.
00:09:12.340 -- Are the representatives from Kimley Horne.
00:09:15.280 -- Have done and are working on the wa aviation aviation system plan.
00:09:20.340 -- It is their data that has provided a great deal of research to the commission for our deliberations.
00:09:24.460 -- And the end result is, is should we have a technical question that needs their assistance? They are available.
00:09:30.920 -- That would be Pam, Kyle Adams and David Williams.
00:09:37.090 -- Brett has already gone over today's agenda.
00:09:39.900 -- Our timing will be somewhat flexible based upon the discussion.
00:09:43.460 -- And where we go and ultimately we will get to the commission member identification.
00:09:47.760 -- Once we get to the roll call portion of the agenda.
00:09:52.120 -- I will say at this point we have three commission members.
00:09:55.220 -- In the room in person, I as chair am a non-voting member.
00:09:55.220 -- To my right.
00:09:59.980 -- Is Eric Johnson previously the interim acting director for WASDOT aviation and a voting member representing WASDOT.
00:10:04.880 -- And then.
00:10:07.480 -- Representative Tom Dent from the 13th district.
00:10:07.480 -- As a non-voting member, we'll get to the other online commission members.
00:10:13.410 -- When we get to the roll call.
00:10:17.840 -- I will say at the outset that if there are any oversights or omissions, I bear and accept.
00:10:24.620 -- All full responsibility for any oversight to emissions that may take place during today's meeting.
00:10:28.720 -- There were many moving parts as you can.
00:10:28.720 -- Well, imagine in trying to create this meeting.
00:10:35.760 -- Within the time constraints that we have.
00:10:38.060 -- And if there was anything left off the table, that is on me.
00:10:42.340 -- So please bear any criticism that might.
00:10:45.890 -- Might be appropriate in my direction.
00:10:49.570 -- Today we have three tasks.
00:10:51.900 -- We have statutory requirement under the commission before we sunset at the end of this month.
00:10:56.160 -- To do three things.
00:10:56.160 -- And that is the intent of today's meeting.
00:11:00.660 -- The first is to determine if we can make a single.
00:11:03.310 -- Preferred recommendation for a commercial aviation facility.
00:11:08.230 -- That requires a quorum of voting members.
00:11:11.940 -- It also requires a vote of 60% of the voting members.
00:11:16.460 -- To affirm that recommendation.
00:11:18.660 -- We will determine that form and that vote requirement when we get to that point in the agenda.
00:11:22.080 -- The other two recommendations come before the entire commission, both voting and non-voting.
00:11:28.900 -- And as historically as we had set up our bylaws, when we first formed together in October of 2019, all members of the commission have an equal say in an equal vote, whether voting or non-voting in terms of the general.
00:11:39.080 -- Conduct of the commission.
00:11:44.510 -- Only when we get to the three phase decisions, the third of which we will address today.
00:11:47.740 -- Does the voting member stipulation? Very importance.
00:11:52.830 -- So we will work through that.
00:11:56.020 -- So we will make that first decision based upon the presence of a quorum and the voting members.
00:12:01.020 -- We will talk about those specifics when we get to that point of the meeting.
00:12:05.060 -- The other two tasks before us are for the commission to make general recommendation to the legislature.
00:12:08.080 -- Regarding general aviation commercial.
00:12:12.860 -- Pastor service and commercial Eric cargo service.
00:12:16.500 -- And we will address those as well in turn the final site.
00:12:20.780 -- Is what the commission would recommend to the legislature to ensure that.
00:12:25.700 -- The new commercial aviation facility in whatever form it takes.
00:12:30.290 -- Could be operational by 2040.
00:12:33.460 -- So those are the three tasks force to date.
00:12:33.460 -- I also want to say, especially to those online and I see the numbers continue to increase.
00:12:42.060 -- We recognize that this is a very difficult task.
00:12:46.740 -- We recognize and acknowledge the deep levels of anxiety.
00:12:50.750 -- That people have in this decision.
00:12:53.460 -- We recognize that people feel threatened.
00:12:53.460 -- By this work, that when we talk about Greenfield sites and I will define this term probably a few times a Greenfield site does not mean an undeveloped area.
00:13:06.930 -- Those areas in Washington state are extremely hard to come by a Greenfield site for the purposes of this commission is just a location where an airport does not currently exist.
00:13:16.160 -- So we recognize the anxiety.
00:13:20.100 -- We recognize the concern.
00:13:20.100 -- The commission is well aware of that.
00:13:24.180 -- The public comments and feedback.
00:13:24.180 -- From members of the public, the local and rural communities has been.
00:13:30.310 -- Important and essential to the work of this commission.
00:13:30.310 -- And we acknowledge that.
00:13:35.020 -- At the end of the day.
00:13:36.690 -- Regardless of the outcome of the task before this morning.
00:13:41.350 -- That recognized, please, that this is just a report.
00:13:44.940 -- It is a report to the legislature that the legislature requested of this commission.
00:13:48.640 -- And what will happen with this report? Of whatever form it takes in its final form.
00:13:55.550 -- Will be up to the members of the public and our elected representatives.
00:14:00.020 -- So please, if we can.
00:14:00.020 -- Recognize the importance of this, but also recognize that today we are just trying to formulate the basis of the report.
00:14:08.840 -- And if we can do that, satisfactorily the debate and the conversation I guarantee will continue, will continue.
00:14:15.830 -- So with that, let me turn it back over to Brett and we will commence our public comment period.
00:14:28.520 -- I need to stand.
00:14:28.520 -- By this and then we're gonna move that in a minute for public comp.
00:14:32.100 -- All right.
00:14:35.260 -- So next next slide, Scott.
00:14:35.260 -- Oh, Scott, can you.
00:14:40.330 -- Change slides face the speakers.
00:14:52.470 -- Okay.
00:14:54.300 -- So the commission has received a tremendous amount of feedback.
00:14:59.080 -- During this process.
00:14:59.080 -- Yes, sir.
00:15:08.320 -- The people on the zoom can do closed caption.
00:15:12.520 -- Would you like us to turn that on in the room? It's my wife says, check, I see A3.
00:15:23.600 -- It'll fluctuate.
00:15:29.870 -- Said she can't get on there.
00:15:29.870 -- Some of the previous meetings capacity.
00:15:43.210 -- Katie is checking with Scott to make sure that there's not thank you for bringing that.
00:15:59.340 -- We are tapped at 500.
00:15:59.340 -- So we're capped at 500.
00:16:05.220 -- So far, we don't have that many.
00:16:05.220 -- Thank you.
00:16:10.880 -- Alright, so if other things like that come up, really, we wanna make sure people can fully participate.
00:16:17.860 -- And the rest of the conversation.
00:16:17.860 -- That is easily picked back up again.
00:16:22.140 -- So thank you for bringing that up.
00:16:24.300 -- So the commission has received just a tremendous Roundout of community input so far to date on the project.
00:16:31.660 -- So this list dumped the ways that both ways there's two spots.
00:16:36.030 -- That provide all of the.
00:16:36.030 -- That input that the commission has received.
00:16:40.950 -- They've also received comments by.
00:16:43.610 -- Email that people have just sent emails and to the commission website and public meeting.
00:16:48.780 -- So official comments, public meetings.
00:16:53.220 -- We encouraged folks to share advance this meeting.
00:16:57.380 -- So commissioner input.
00:17:01.670 -- That was new input from the public, had a meeting.
00:17:05.980 -- My understanding is everything that was sent to them.
00:17:05.980 -- By the end of may, they have had a chance to review.
00:17:12.869 -- That they haven't seen comments that came in after.
00:17:19.460 -- As with one more slide.
00:17:24.510 -- Turn this way.
00:17:24.510 -- That's hard to face the speaker.
00:17:29.510 -- When there are people to look at, like, I don't wanna talk to a box.
00:17:32.680 -- I wanna talk to, okay.
00:17:32.680 -- So as a previous meetings, we're gonna hold 20 minutes for public comments, which we're about to.
00:17:40.720 -- Head into.
00:17:40.720 -- All right.
00:17:40.720 -- So the way we're gonna do this.
00:17:40.720 -- Is, we're gonna take the folks on the phone.
00:17:45.880 -- First, and then we're gonna alternate between people in the room.
00:17:53.060 -- And people on zoom.
00:17:53.060 -- For folks on the phone.
00:17:57.680 -- If you have a comment.
00:17:57.680 -- To share with the commission.
00:18:01.330 -- Raise your hand by pressing star nine.
00:18:01.330 -- Right.
00:18:01.330 -- Yeah.
00:18:06.180 -- And then unmute yourself, press six.
00:18:10.260 -- If you're online.
00:18:10.260 -- If you're online and have a comment.
00:18:15.200 -- That you'd like to share with the commission.
00:18:16.860 -- Please use the hands raised reaction.
00:18:20.100 -- To raise your hand so you can speak your comment out loud and then we'll call on Werven participants in the order in which you raise your hand.
00:18:28.860 -- If you're in person, you put your name on the signup sheet.
00:18:32.220 -- I'm gonna read your name for the signup sheet order.
00:18:32.220 -- That they came in.
00:18:36.440 -- So we have 20 minutes set aside for public comment.
00:18:39.620 -- And we're gonna give everyone a maximum of two minutes.
00:18:39.620 -- For folks on zoom.
00:18:45.740 -- You are probably looking at a computer.
00:18:45.740 -- You can tell when two minutes pass and.
00:18:50.730 -- Scott and Katie are gonna help, you know, make extra time and your done.
00:18:55.740 -- For folks in person.
00:18:55.740 -- This is like old fashioned public comment.
00:18:59.480 -- There's like a little thing that's gonna turn red.
00:19:01.790 -- Stop 30 seconds before your two minutes.
00:19:01.790 -- It'll it'll turn to March.
00:19:01.790 -- Watch, I don't wanna talk to this box.
00:19:08.240 -- I'll I'll talk to Christina, Christina and I are just gonna talk.
00:19:10.350 -- Okay.
00:19:10.350 -- Alright.
00:19:13.500 -- So it means we have time for about.
00:19:15.900 -- 10 comments as with other meetings.
00:19:19.500 -- If you have additional comments, you don't have a chance to share today.
00:19:19.500 -- Really, please do share comments in writing that can be handwritten today by email.
00:19:28.690 -- Any comment that's put in the zoom.
00:19:32.880 -- Q and a is gonna be put at the public record as.
00:19:32.880 -- Okay, but sort of simple, cause it's just like we did hybrid the virtual meetings or in-person meetings only were mashing it together.
00:19:45.720 -- All right.
00:19:45.720 -- So do we have any.
00:19:51.590 -- Call in folks.
00:19:51.590 -- Okay.
00:19:51.590 -- Yes, no call.
00:19:55.800 -- It no call.
00:19:55.800 -- Okay.
00:19:55.800 -- How many people have their hands raised on? Okay, then we're gonna start the first.
00:20:08.460 -- Can you know, about where you signed up to be helpful.
00:20:11.020 -- If you were aware of that yourself in a position to move forward.
00:20:15.110 -- Because that way it's most comments in our 20 minutes.
00:20:15.110 -- All right.
00:20:20.200 -- Thomas McRoberts.
00:20:20.200 -- Oh, yeah.
00:20:25.100 -- We need you to come to the left turn.
00:20:25.100 -- We unless, and then we're gonna into a microphone.
00:20:32.530 -- We're gonna ask you to speak into the microphone.
00:20:32.530 -- And we're gonna buzz.
00:20:37.990 -- Situation's gonna.
00:20:41.180 -- Facing this microphone as camera.
00:20:41.180 -- Okay, this is gonna be Jocelyn.
00:20:53.190 -- Nice.
00:20:53.190 -- Okay.
00:20:57.860 -- Is this you mind saying your name and WC? My name is.
00:20:57.860 -- Tom.
00:21:03.020 -- Robert did that work? Did it work? Do we need to put this closer to him? Thank you all, really for your patience.
00:21:12.040 -- This is your just being so gracious.
00:21:12.040 -- There you go.
00:21:17.030 -- Yeah.
00:21:17.030 -- It's a, you feel so silly.
00:21:17.030 -- I mean, I feel silly.
00:21:20.320 -- I don't know how you feel.
00:21:20.320 -- We're gonna put this right up in your face.
00:21:26.580 -- You're you're a Guinea pig.
00:21:26.580 -- Good.
00:21:26.580 -- Congratulations for coming early.
00:21:26.580 -- Okay.
00:21:31.200 -- <laugh> okay.
00:21:31.200 -- We're good.
00:21:31.200 -- Okay.
00:21:31.200 -- Alright.
00:21:31.200 -- So my name is Tom Robert.
00:21:35.920 -- I am a 76 year resident of Washington state.
00:21:40.240 -- I have many, many objections to the way that the.
00:21:45.390 -- Process of selecting a green site was.
00:21:51.930 -- Begun and was carried out.
00:21:51.930 -- But most of my objections.
00:21:57.420 -- In part concern the parameters that were dictated.
00:22:01.930 -- Parameters that were dictated.
00:22:01.930 -- By originally by the legislature in what the commission could consider or not consider.
00:22:11.780 -- Considered.
00:22:13.220 -- And so one of the things that I have done some research on is the fact that in 2005, Boeing field was Southwest airlines wanted to move.
00:22:22.950 -- Tofield.
00:22:26.980 -- And there was a coalition of people that.
00:22:26.980 -- Oppose that and the reasons were that they were afraid that there would be a loss of revenue.
00:22:35.360 -- For SeaTac cause of the expansion to the third runway.
00:22:40.500 -- So there that group that opposed it, all of the reasons.
00:22:44.670 -- That they listed are no longer.
00:22:48.240 -- Relevant to the concerns that we have today.
00:22:50.860 -- So I would think that in the future, that, that parameter of a can't be in a county of a certain.
00:22:57.770 -- Population that that be done away with, and they reconsider Boeing field.
00:23:03.100 -- As a possible other alternative.
00:23:03.100 -- Alternatives.
00:23:03.100 -- That's it.
00:23:08.490 -- Thank you.
00:23:08.490 -- So for folks in the room, really the people online.
00:23:19.950 -- It's super awesome.
00:23:19.950 -- Okay, can we call on the person? Okay, Laura.
00:23:26.070 -- Go ahead.
00:23:32.140 -- Hi, can you hear me? Yes.
00:23:32.140 -- Yes.
00:23:36.980 -- Hi, my name is Laura O'Brien.
00:23:36.980 -- I live in Thurston county.
00:23:41.990 -- Just to preface that I have a.
00:23:44.140 -- 11 month old on my lap who didn't wanna take a nap.
00:23:47.300 -- So I apologize if you hear some.
00:23:47.300 -- Whining in a second, but just to keep this brief.
00:23:52.260 -- I do have concerns with this meeting.
00:23:57.380 -- As it is in the agenda.
00:23:59.940 -- The fact that Hendrickson has said that they need to fulfill their statutory mission.
00:24:04.830 -- But yet I heard in, I've been going to these meetings and I even heard in another meeting.
00:24:14.350 -- That they made the survey.
00:24:14.350 -- That gave the list of Greenfield.
00:24:19.860 -- And that survey was made.
00:24:19.860 -- Not following the original bill, not following the directions.
00:24:24.180 -- And that is why we have three greenfields.
00:24:28.470 -- Recommended that violate.
00:24:28.470 -- That.
00:24:32.420 -- So if we really wanna follow the statutory mission, of your original CAC bill.
00:24:36.100 -- They should not make any recommendations.
00:24:41.260 -- As the three greenfields.
00:24:41.260 -- Violate that that's all I have to say.
00:24:47.890 -- Thank you.
00:24:51.260 -- The next person in the room is Werven Ursula.
00:24:55.390 -- Jeweler is how I'm gonna guess is how you say that.
00:25:08.670 -- This is the microphone.
00:25:08.670 -- Is the microphone.
00:25:08.670 -- Thank you.
00:25:08.670 -- Perfect.
00:25:14.180 -- Yes.
00:25:14.180 -- Good morning.
00:25:14.180 -- My name is LER it's Friday.
00:25:17.360 -- First you have to put it like this, not like this.
00:25:17.360 -- Yeah, just kinda the parallel.
00:25:21.480 -- Oh, star.
00:25:28.250 -- Thank you.
00:25:28.250 -- Thank you for having all of us.
00:25:28.250 -- I'm personally of the, one of the few.
00:25:33.540 -- Citizen members and I appreciate that this is coming to a conclusion.
00:25:41.800 -- I hope that committee will come to the right decision and not make a one recommendation of a Greenfield site.
00:25:50.100 -- And that is from many reasons.
00:25:50.100 -- Yes, people are.
00:25:50.100 -- It is stressful.
00:25:55.300 -- I'm not in the circle.
00:25:55.300 -- I want be very stressed.
00:25:55.300 -- I work, but it is a much bigger issue than just an individual.
00:25:59.620 -- And local issue.
00:26:04.460 -- It is about public health.
00:26:06.700 -- We now have much better information with scientific.
00:26:10.820 -- Health studies that were conducted beginning in 2014, 15.
00:26:16.230 -- It's time for clean and quiet aviation.
00:26:19.540 -- At first at existing.
00:26:19.540 -- Airports, not just because of public health information.
00:26:22.620 -- But also climate impacts.
00:26:27.750 -- Climate impacts impact all of us.
00:26:30.710 -- They're in all of our backyards and our back pocket in our money pocket.
00:26:36.180 -- And it is important to start talking about those.
00:26:39.940 -- Topics along with some of the good news that the airport brings.
00:26:44.790 -- Also talk about the offsetting costs.
00:26:47.700 -- And the offsetting damage comes to a deviation liquidities, just like at Ctech, as we now know.
00:26:52.430 -- And it is also important.
00:26:57.540 -- To start import talking and presenting that.
00:27:02.960 -- Information to the public to capacity forecasts by talking to the public, not just the industry.
00:27:07.860 -- Thank you.
00:27:07.860 -- Sorry, I get a little nervous, nonetheless.
00:27:12.280 -- I'm not a rock star yet.
00:27:12.280 -- <laugh>.
00:27:18.580 -- And our thank you very much.
00:27:18.580 -- Our device appears to have.
00:27:24.230 -- Malfunction.
00:27:24.980 -- So we're gonna time you and just do something a little more old fashioned.
00:27:28.740 -- I'm just gonna give you a 32nd warning.
00:27:28.740 -- Okay, does nobody else on zoom? Okay, Timothy O'Brien.
00:27:36.990 -- Okay.
00:27:36.990 -- Timothy.
00:28:01.710 -- Timothy O'Brien zoom.
00:28:07.300 -- You raise your hand.
00:28:07.300 -- Made comment.
00:28:07.300 -- Yes.
00:28:07.300 -- Can you hear me now? I just have a brief comment.
00:28:18.260 -- My name's Tim O'Brien from enum Kloba plateau community association.
00:28:22.660 -- And my brief comment is.
00:28:25.540 -- We have to look at well into the future of how aviation will change.
00:28:31.100 -- In particular and how population and where population will move to will change.
00:28:35.920 -- I think one of the most important things that.
00:28:39.500 -- The greater state can benefit from.
00:28:42.580 -- Is the economic development that a potential new airport could bring.
00:28:48.230 -- There's no space for, to really take advantage of the economic development.
00:28:53.460 -- In the Puget sound locations that.
00:28:53.460 -- Were originally identified, although in.
00:28:58.320 -- Yakima has has said that they.
00:29:03.110 -- With an existing airport that has plenty of room for expansion.
00:29:03.110 -- And a, both an airport commission there as well as a, as a local public.
00:29:11.750 -- That welcomed the idea of expansion there.
00:29:11.750 -- I think you need to.
00:29:16.860 -- Really take advantage of that opportunity.
00:29:16.860 -- A, and not just for a new airport, but for.
00:29:21.900 -- The whole cargo hub capacity that could be.
00:29:27.170 -- Built out and the just the, the amount of area that's available.
00:29:31.300 -- To, to take advantage of that economic op opportunity.
00:29:37.060 -- If you look at the Denver international airport, and you look at it.
00:29:42.910 -- Over the years as it's, as, as they it's expanded.
00:29:46.870 -- It's been an economic driver for that whole region.
00:29:50.980 -- And it's it's basically pulled Denver.
00:29:55.460 -- And the Denver Metro area out to that.
00:29:55.460 -- Out to that site and beyond.
00:30:00.940 -- And you may look at.
00:30:05.620 -- Really how maybe not in the.
00:30:05.620 -- The city of Denver itself, if you consider it as a region, and I think we need to consider airport.
00:30:15.230 -- More, we need to look more G geographically beyond just.
00:30:19.630 -- This side of the mountains and consider the whole state.
00:30:19.630 -- And in particular, Yakima is well located in the center of the state.
00:30:26.660 -- And I think our legislators really need to take a better look at that.
00:30:30.700 -- That's my comment.
00:30:30.700 -- Thank you.
00:30:38.890 -- Thank you.
00:30:38.890 -- Thank you, Timothy in the room we have now, Dylan.
00:30:57.560 -- I don't usually read.
00:30:57.560 -- Hearing comments, but I only have two minutes.
00:31:02.420 -- To read what I've done here.
00:31:02.420 -- So my name is Dylan, my wife, Laura and I moved to Thurston county.
00:31:11.980 -- Our home is less than a mile from the center of the proposed south Thurston county Greenfield site, shortlisted Ben airport location.
00:31:20.660 -- As a father, husband, homeowner, community member, girl, Thurston county, and against the idea.
00:31:26.420 -- Of a new international airport in Thurston county or any other location in Washington.
00:31:30.480 -- Where the people have not asked for it.
00:31:30.480 -- Since its inception, the CAC has attempted to thwart public engagement and participation.
00:31:39.430 -- They've ignored the wealth of the people and even ignored their gun.
00:31:42.720 -- Legislative mandate.
00:31:44.260 -- By selecting at least one Greenfield site to conflict voluntary airspace.
00:31:50.360 -- Recently the, to signaled despite the governor veto of their authority to select a single Greenfield site.
00:31:56.750 -- They may do.
00:31:56.750 -- So anyway, the idea that this might occur is sadly consistent with their overall behavior and ignoring the will of the people.
00:32:04.980 -- And taking it upon themselves to make decisions on the people's behalf.
00:32:09.900 -- I'm here to ask the Keck and any organization picking off the work of the K in the future.
00:32:13.920 -- To have more humility and respect for the will of the people.
00:32:18.790 -- Your job is not to decide what is best for us.
00:32:21.390 -- Your job is to carry out our will.
00:32:21.390 -- Finally on a personal note, I wanna highlight the emotional.
00:32:26.400 -- Physiological talk.
00:32:29.470 -- This process has taken on the people effective.
00:32:31.640 -- Affected after buying our home in the summer of 2021.
00:32:31.640 -- Report our hearts into it, turning it into a place.
00:32:36.440 -- We hope to spend the rest of our lives.
00:32:40.580 -- The C has turned this dream on its head.
00:32:43.700 -- For months while the Kretz mandated, we suffered lost sleep.
00:32:47.890 -- Spent countless hours studying, worrying about proposed.
00:32:52.360 -- Although the sunset of the CAC has given our lives back in a sense.
00:32:55.990 -- It's clear the dangers to our community.
00:33:02.250 -- Thank you.
00:33:02.250 -- Thank you, Dylan.
00:33:02.250 -- So well done.
00:33:02.250 -- One minute 59 seconds.
00:33:10.260 -- Is there anyone on Amy Reynolds, Amy Reynolds.
00:33:14.900 -- I have to talk to that for the people in the computer.
00:33:20.780 -- Hi, can you hear me? Yes, good morning.
00:33:24.520 -- My name is Amy Reynolds and I'm speaking on behalf of myself as a lifelong resident of Thurston county.
00:33:27.920 -- And my family, many of whom live on a farm that has been in our family since 1864, also in Thurston county.
00:33:34.110 -- I heard Mr.
00:33:36.520 -- Hendrickson say this morning that the commission recognizes the impact.
00:33:39.760 -- This has had to our lives.
00:33:41.340 -- But what I have not heard at any point during this process is any kind of empathy for the impact of the anxiety that this process has caused and how disappointed we have been.
00:33:48.680 -- In the lack of adequate outreach.
00:33:52.800 -- And feeling heard really, as a result of this process.
00:33:55.820 -- We really feel like the commission had an obligation to do specific, specific.
00:34:00.240 -- Targeted outreach to people who live in the Greenfield sites rather than broad public outreach.
00:34:04.640 -- And that should have happened to the minute.
00:34:08.139 -- Any kind of narrowing was done of the list.
00:34:10.900 -- You have clearly heard from elected officials.
00:34:10.900 -- Local county state, and all the residents living in and near Greenfield sites that you have identified that they are not interested in having an airport there.
00:34:22.870 -- They've given you dozens of reasons.
00:34:22.870 -- Why citing an airport there? Is not a good idea.
00:34:28.040 -- I would ask that you please do not add insult to injury today.
00:34:31.300 -- By making a recommendation of one of those Greenfield sites.
00:34:35.050 -- Thank you very much.
00:34:35.050 -- Thank you.
00:34:40.719 -- I also appreciate everyone's taken to two minutes.
00:34:40.719 -- That the next person in the room is Jim Pearson.
00:34:53.540 -- Hi, I'm Jim pear from summer wood.
00:34:53.540 -- Okay.
00:34:53.540 -- Yeah.
00:34:53.540 -- Summer wood and Thurston.
00:34:59.060 -- Now trying to speak with my field Sergeant voice.
00:34:59.060 -- Okay.
00:35:04.210 -- We're we wanna reiterate that definitely cannot want a new airport category in Pierce county at all.
00:35:09.600 -- Okay.
00:35:09.600 -- Also data driven.
00:35:14.550 -- None of the reports are really data driven so far.
00:35:14.550 -- You've given us information.
00:35:18.660 -- You've given us the.
00:35:18.660 -- Red yellow, green lists of metrics.
00:35:23.820 -- But you haven't told us which metrics you care about most, like, do you care more? About the watershed and the number of people at homes that are being moved.
00:35:35.620 -- Or do you care more about the proximity to the road? To the nearest highway.
00:35:40.630 -- It's not.
00:35:40.630 -- And none of the reports do you say? Which one do you care for? Don't wait, the metrics.
00:35:43.960 -- Also the entire premise.
00:35:48.350 -- That we need an airport is.
00:35:48.350 -- Suspect to me, when I look at the CTAC statistics.
00:35:56.320 -- On Christmas week, there are 20% fewer flights than there are during 4th of July week.
00:36:03.440 -- Percent fewer flights.
00:36:05.220 -- So when we see people standing in the hallways waiting for airplanes, they're not waiting.
00:36:09.320 -- For the airplanes, because there are.
00:36:13.910 -- There's a lack of, of space in the airport.
00:36:13.910 -- They're waiting for other reasons, TSA or whatever.
00:36:18.260 -- The airlines are not running their airplanes.
00:36:18.260 -- At that time.
00:36:23.790 -- Okay.
00:36:23.790 -- Thank you.
00:36:36.020 -- So on zoom.
00:36:36.020 -- Jake.
00:36:36.020 -- Oh, hello, can you hear me? Yes.
00:36:50.770 -- Okay.
00:36:50.770 -- Hi, my name is Jake Kool.
00:36:56.740 -- I'm one of the organizers for the Hoff Pierce county opposition.
00:36:56.740 -- Group.
00:37:03.140 -- I'd like to say that.
00:37:03.140 -- We have, we know what the health and.
00:37:07.110 -- Environmental effects of these airports are.
00:37:07.110 -- And you know, that they're.
00:37:12.270 -- Also a very viable and well researched class action lawsuit.
00:37:15.830 -- Against CTAC moving forward for the very same reasons.
00:37:19.910 -- That we're opposing, adding another airport to another community.
00:37:27.820 -- And we have legislators that are supporting this lawsuit.
00:37:31.630 -- Because they don't want undue burden to be on their constituents.
00:37:36.030 -- This would be the same for any legislator.
00:37:38.180 -- Nobody wants this in their districts for good reason.
00:37:38.180 -- Because we know better.
00:37:42.980 -- We have the science.
00:37:42.980 -- It's a hot potato that nobody wants to be burdened with.
00:37:47.900 -- All three sites violate the Bill's parameters.
00:37:50.860 -- So if you're going to follow the bill to the end, then do the right thing.
00:37:54.360 -- Follow the bill.
00:37:54.360 -- On top of that, the legislator's majority.
00:37:54.360 -- By far, and the governor have asked you not to make a recommendation.
00:38:01.940 -- So what drives this consistent move towards wrong and unwanted decisions? I would say industry interest and money seem to be because we're obviously going to, you know, looking at skipping over health and environmental issues that can't be mitigated.
00:38:16.560 -- And we know that.
00:38:16.560 -- The public has clearly demonstrated.
00:38:20.440 -- They have no appetite for airport in Western Washington.
00:38:23.810 -- There is probably no site in Western Washington.
00:38:25.800 -- That'll be appropriate to add another Greenfield site.
00:38:30.180 -- The damages that these bring environmentally, you will find nowhere that you're gonna be able to find it.
00:38:35.900 -- And this is what our groups have found as we've.
00:38:35.900 -- Through it, this isn't just about not in my backyard.
00:38:39.760 -- It's not in back of anybody's yard.
00:38:44.820 -- If we decide to push forward and shove this into a community, then op we openly acknowledge the expansive harms.
00:38:50.900 -- And are okay in the name of money we're deciding, then we're choosing the old way of thinking we can do better.
00:38:58.000 -- A vote to select a site is a vote against salmon orcas, clean drinking, water, climate resilience.
00:39:05.220 -- For agricultural lands and so much more, we know better.
00:39:09.410 -- Let's not do old way of thinking.
00:39:11.570 -- Let's move forward with better ways of thinking with different modes of transportation.
00:39:14.200 -- And not continuing the same path.
00:39:14.200 -- Thank you.
00:39:20.250 -- Thank you, Jake.
00:39:20.250 -- In the room, the next person signed up is Don.
00:39:33.810 -- Thank you.
00:39:33.810 -- I am Dr.
00:39:33.810 -- Don Sonta of central Thurston county, and I'm an educator.
00:39:40.460 -- And I'm known for not spoon feeding my students.
00:39:44.580 -- And I am a proponent of the flipped classroom.
00:39:48.540 -- And therefore I must thank the CAC for giving us this opportunity.
00:39:53.380 -- To have to seek out and learn information on our own.
00:39:57.380 -- And this learning process has been more intense than anything I've ever experienced in my life.
00:40:03.000 -- I can only mention a few things I have learned from this experience.
00:40:07.700 -- The first is that I learned that our.
00:40:10.830 -- Home sits on the water that feeds the medicine Creek.
00:40:14.020 -- Treaty which cheated and quale Indians outta their home and left them with a few water rights, which they are still now fighting for.
00:40:22.080 -- Didn't realize really how.
00:40:27.020 -- Last week, hold this process could be, yeah.
00:40:30.990 -- In this regard.
00:40:34.800 -- I learned that forests and Meadows that are part of our.
00:40:41.260 -- Are crucial climate.
00:40:44.840 -- Carbon sinks for sequestering carbon.
00:40:44.840 -- And that these, these spaces are vital for climate change.
00:40:52.520 -- I have learned that it is possible.
00:40:52.520 -- For a state commission.
00:40:57.580 -- To be comprised of all.
00:40:57.580 -- Aviation industry pundits.
00:41:02.660 -- And that including individuals who are employed by.
00:41:09.620 -- By whose employer will profit.
00:41:13.150 -- From a major airport who are not free to say.
00:41:13.150 -- That that community pushback should not be a factor.
00:41:22.100 -- In determining whether this airport.
00:41:22.100 -- Is necessary or not.
00:41:26.890 -- Thank you.
00:41:26.890 -- Thank you.
00:41:26.890 -- Don.
00:41:31.730 -- Thank you, Don.
00:41:31.730 -- Is there anybody on.
00:41:31.730 -- Okay.
00:41:35.860 -- So I think depending on how fast people are, we have time for one more comment.
00:41:41.460 -- And that is Representative Fey.
00:41:50.280 -- Thank you very much for the opportunity today.
00:41:54.040 -- I wanna appreciate the conversation I had with Mr.
00:41:54.040 -- Hendrickson.
00:41:59.020 -- In the last couple of weeks.
00:42:03.220 -- I'm coming here as one of the prime sponsors with.
00:42:05.980 -- Representative to this legislation passed was signed with partial BETOS by the governor.
00:42:11.210 -- I wish I knew in 2019, what I knew now.
00:42:15.310 -- But I didn't and I think that what has happened.
00:42:23.440 -- Since largely lays at the footsteps.
00:42:28.430 -- Of the legislature and the governor.
00:42:33.860 -- For getting into this situation.
00:42:33.860 -- We need a fresh start.
00:42:39.620 -- We have more resources in the new bill.
00:42:42.900 -- We have more balanced Representative Fitzgibbon.
00:42:46.820 -- We have the language that puts us in the context of our overall transportation.
00:42:51.040 -- Needs rather than just aviation.
00:42:54.950 -- There's more focus on the environment and overburdened community.
00:42:59.340 -- It leads me to recommend.
00:42:59.340 -- That there be no recommendation.
00:43:03.550 -- From this group on a green site.
00:43:06.760 -- I think that would only serve to.
00:43:10.340 -- Ignite the situation we have with people who are already feel quite imposed upon.
00:43:15.490 -- By the, by the initial recommendations.
00:43:15.490 -- So.
00:43:21.400 -- I think it's time to provide some relief to those communities.
00:43:21.400 -- Thank you.
00:43:26.850 -- Thank you.
00:43:26.850 -- Representative Dufault.
00:43:29.340 -- So there's one last person in the room who signed up and that's rose.
00:43:42.780 -- Hi, I am rose Quimby and my husband Mark Case, and I are 40 year residents of Washington state.
00:43:45.100 -- And I wanted to speak to something that others have touched on.
00:43:51.120 -- First of all, I want to thank you for the opportunity to give public comment for the committee.
00:43:58.980 -- And many of us wanna see a reconsideration of the date of it was used with the growth assumptions.
00:44:03.480 -- That point to the need for a new airport.
00:44:08.190 -- Most public presentations.
00:44:10.010 -- Supporting the airport begin with a set of growth assumptions.
00:44:13.790 -- That have been endorsed.
00:44:13.790 -- And the quick conclusion is that a new airport is.
00:44:18.200 -- Done in today's Seattle times, editorial.
00:44:21.000 -- We recommend that the new committee created by the bill 1791.
00:44:25.710 -- Conduct a new needs assessment as one of their first steps.
00:44:29.700 -- It should include low, moderate, and high growth assumptions.
00:44:33.880 -- Scenarios for passenger and cargo.
00:44:37.540 -- We believe it was done too quickly.
00:44:37.540 -- With not enough analysis.
00:44:42.790 -- This type of three point analysis is standard for many projects of high public impact led by states.
00:44:47.100 -- So we have many examples that can pointed to.
00:44:52.500 -- In conducting that work.
00:44:52.500 -- So we encourage you to start over, look at the growth first.
00:44:55.240 -- As one of the first steps.
00:44:55.240 -- Thank you.
00:45:00.530 -- Thank you.
00:45:00.530 -- All right.
00:45:00.530 -- So that concludes the public comment.
00:45:06.080 -- Period.
00:45:06.080 -- I appreciate everybody.
00:45:06.080 -- Taking the time to share your thoughts.
00:45:10.980 -- And I really appreciate everyone's patience with the process.
00:45:15.400 -- That was a little awkward and everybody was just really super friendly about it.
00:45:20.040 -- I just really appreciate that.
00:45:20.040 -- Thank you.
00:45:20.040 -- Alright, so.
00:45:23.390 -- With that I am going to turn it over.
00:45:23.390 -- Lauren to and then to station.
00:45:28.460 -- Thank you, Brett.
00:45:33.160 -- I am now transitioning back.
00:45:33.160 -- If we can kill the speaker in the overhead.
00:45:38.620 -- And then you are gonna move.
00:45:40.420 -- And then the other item I would like to thank the public commenters.
00:45:44.900 -- For the decorum, the respect that was shown.
00:45:48.420 -- And the importance of your comments.
00:45:52.270 -- This process as well as the one that we had in our March meeting.
00:45:56.390 -- Have been substantial and I have to commend everyone.
00:46:01.380 -- For the decorum and the respect that they have shown to each other and the listening audience it's greatly appreciated.
00:46:05.000 -- For those that are online, as well as in person, I want to highlight again, the email address that is shown on the slide.
00:46:14.440 -- C a ccc@wasdotwa.gov. The commission remains in effect through midnight of June 30th.
00:46:21.740 -- And public comments will continue to be accepted.
00:46:21.740 -- And part of the record.
00:46:25.630 -- Today's comment session and everything that we do in this meeting is being recorded and also will become part of the permanent public record.
00:46:32.700 -- So we appreciate begin that next slide, please.
00:46:39.720 -- I do wanna spend a little bit of time talking about.
00:46:42.860 -- Two events that have taken place in recent weeks.
00:46:45.820 -- And bring everybody up to date.
00:46:47.340 -- So we understand exactly why this commission meeting is happening to date what's on the phone key.
00:46:57.390 -- Okay.
00:47:03.220 -- So the first item I want to discuss now is a recap of what is in growth, substitute house bill 1791.
00:47:10.820 -- We are Fortunato to have the two sponsors of that bill in this room, Representative, Dent and Representative Fey.
00:47:13.760 -- And Representative, I do appreciate your comments.
00:47:17.480 -- On April 20th, the legislature.
00:47:22.340 -- Passed this bill, it was signed by both houses and delivered to the governor.
00:47:26.460 -- On May 15th.
00:47:26.460 -- Governor Insley took action.
00:47:30.270 -- This meeting was originally planned for May 4th, but in respect to the legislative intent and the fact that the governor had not yet taken action, we deferred and canceled that May 4th meeting pending the governor's action.
00:47:43.710 -- That action was taken on May 5th, 15th, and ultimately results in this meeting now.
00:47:45.980 -- Taking place today, the purposes of the bill.
00:47:51.420 -- Was follows to create a new commercial aviation work group.
00:47:56.620 -- To established new tasking and membership of that group.
00:48:00.410 -- Increasing from 15 to 19 voting members as just one example.
00:48:04.740 -- To transfer any remaining CAC funding for the public relations purposes to this new work group.
00:48:09.340 -- Fourth to a repealed, the statutes, creating.
00:48:13.700 -- The cap that ultimately an effectively would've abolished this commission.
00:48:19.460 -- And as a result, you know, would have then immediately sunset the commission as of the governor's action.
00:48:26.540 -- And then lastly, there was a provision within the bill to place the bill into immediate effect.
00:48:33.190 -- Next slide, please.
00:48:33.190 -- On May 15th.
00:48:38.880 -- Governor Insley did sign.
00:48:38.880 -- 1791 into law.
00:48:42.810 -- There were eight sections in the bill.
00:48:42.810 -- He beat up four of the eight sections.
00:48:47.600 -- Specifically sections 3, 5, 7, and eight.
00:48:52.860 -- The video sections that did not become law.
00:48:52.860 -- Or first the section three.
00:48:57.830 -- Task list and tasking of the new commercial aviation work group sections one and two dealt with the creation of the work group and its membership.
00:49:05.910 -- Section three was the tasking that tasking was veto.
00:49:09.670 -- Section five was the transfer of anger remaining cap funds to the work group.
00:49:14.310 -- That was video section seven.
00:49:17.180 -- Is the important one that results in today's meeting.
00:49:21.340 -- The statutes that created the CAC were not repealed.
00:49:26.070 -- That meant this body, this commission remains in full force and effect.
00:49:31.140 -- Per the 2019 statutes that were created it.
00:49:31.140 -- And its subsequent amendments.
00:49:37.590 -- That is what led to today's meeting.
00:49:37.590 -- And ultimately places in a, in a situation where we have a statutory requirement to meet as was originally designed and intended by the legislature.
00:49:48.320 -- Recognizing the intent.
00:49:52.780 -- Of the legislature with 1791.
00:49:52.780 -- The veto of that provision, however, then restores the law into effect.
00:50:00.620 -- And this commission and my personal responsibility as chair is to ensure that we follow the existing law.
00:50:06.980 -- And the law is that the commission remains in effect and has then a statutory requirement to make a recommendation.
00:50:13.180 -- If at all possible to the legislature by June 15th.
00:50:17.190 -- When we canceled the May 4th meeting pending the governor's action.
00:50:20.580 -- We knew that the June 15th deadline would be almost impossible to meet.
00:50:24.420 -- And regardless of what happens today, that June 15th deadline will not be met in terms of that final report, we will do the best that we can.
00:50:33.220 -- But it still is incumbent upon us to do our best to meet the statutory requirements.
00:50:38.820 -- The last section that was veto was section eight that would've placed the commercial aviation work group into immediate effect.
00:50:42.280 -- That also was vetoed.
00:50:46.380 -- And that means that, that, that bill, that instead of taking it into immediate effect, the rule of process are that it takes effect.
00:50:55.300 -- 90 days after the legislature has adjourned.
00:50:58.620 -- So this new commercial aviation work group with those four remaining sections of the bill that was signed by the governor will take effect on July 23rd.
00:51:07.780 -- The cat by the previous legislation, Wilson sunset on midnight the evening of June 30th.
00:51:14.910 -- Next slide, please.
00:51:14.910 -- Commission member survey.
00:51:19.670 -- This is a bit of a topic.
00:51:22.150 -- That my intention is to lead us into a discussion that will hopefully lead the commission into a path as to what actions we take today.
00:51:30.820 -- If Andy and I wanna emphasize the, if any.
00:51:34.700 -- The commission has heard the public.
00:51:34.700 -- We are.
00:51:38.330 -- Aware of the public feedback we are aware.
00:51:38.330 -- Of many, many things.
00:51:42.910 -- Specifically, we recognize the location of the three Greenfield sites.
00:51:45.300 -- Is controversial.
00:51:50.200 -- Reversal the commission, as I believe, many are aware was not directly funded for its own research.
00:51:59.220 -- It was funded for public outreach purposes and as a result, the data and the research.
00:52:03.180 -- Had to come from other sources.
00:52:07.830 -- Fortunately with the assistance's great assistance of Waz dot aviation and their.
00:52:12.120 -- Plans for a new update to the aviation system plan.
00:52:17.650 -- We're able to leverage some data.
00:52:17.650 -- That helped the commission.
00:52:21.710 -- This is not a perfect process.
00:52:23.530 -- There are many flaws and many things we can point to.
00:52:27.180 -- But we needed some information by which we could start.
00:52:27.180 -- The a, the commission, as many are aware, had two significant restrictions placed upon.
00:52:36.580 -- The first is that it could not consider any recommendations in a county that exceeds 2 million in population.
00:52:43.310 -- There's only one county in Washington state that exceeds that population level.
00:52:46.600 -- And that would be king county.
00:52:46.600 -- So king county was off the table.
00:52:46.600 -- Table.
00:52:50.260 -- The second recommendation was there could be no rec or requirement or restriction was that there could be no.
00:52:53.600 -- No such recommendations that involve.
00:52:59.120 -- A military isolation where the recommendations would negatively impact the ability of that installation to complete its mission requirements.
00:53:07.980 -- The aviation system plan was not, not under such restrictions.
00:53:12.100 -- And when they looked at and studied.
00:53:12.100 -- 10 refill sites in six counties.
00:53:17.540 -- If there's any concern about the fact that there was a lack of awareness.
00:53:22.110 -- That the three Greenfield sites that ultimately rose to the top in the commission's mind for further study.
00:53:28.670 -- That they were close and most likely would impact JB lamb.
00:53:32.580 -- The commission was well.
00:53:32.580 -- Aware that and remains well aware that to this day.
00:53:36.740 -- And you'll see that in the member survey results.
00:53:40.020 -- But I think it's important to point that out so that we're all on a level playing field.
00:53:43.040 -- Why did this member survey happen and when, and why? March 30th was intended.
00:53:49.250 -- Potentially to be our last meeting, the commission, however, failed to achieve a quorum by its own internal bylaws to reach any decisions on that day.
00:53:58.640 -- So therefore it became a meeting in which no final recommendations would be made, but at least discussions would occur.
00:54:10.540 -- The intent in that meeting was to.
00:54:10.540 -- Offer two commission members, the opportunity to speak.
00:54:14.540 -- To offer suggestions as to what the thoughts would be.
00:54:19.620 -- And then ultimately, as we facilitated the meeting to see if anything ultimately.
00:54:24.870 -- Rose to the surface as being the one that would meet the greatest need.
00:54:29.570 -- Among the greatest number of people.
00:54:29.570 -- That type of dialogue.
00:54:34.580 -- Was not successful at that meeting.
00:54:37.700 -- And the end result was is the feedback from the convention members.
00:54:41.190 -- From that meeting during that meeting and subsequent to that meeting.
00:54:45.500 -- Or that we need more information that will help guide us down a path that will lead us to a reasonable conclusion.
00:54:50.440 -- So as a result, this survey was created.
00:54:54.920 -- And it was distributed to.
00:54:59.140 -- All members of the commission, both voting and non-voting as has been the nature of how we conduct our business as a commission.
00:55:05.060 -- Relatively short.
00:55:09.100 -- It was answered by 16.
00:55:09.100 -- Total commission members.
00:55:15.460 -- That's 73% of the entire commission.
00:55:18.540 -- 83% of the voting members.
00:55:18.540 -- Returned the survey results.
00:55:23.780 -- That's important because as we go into that's those survey results.
00:55:29.520 -- I believe that as you absorb the information that come from those questions, it will lead us to a path that may allow us to make a recommendation or a conclusion today.
00:55:37.480 -- That I don't think violate.
00:55:41.220 -- The concept of the statutory requirements.
00:55:43.940 -- Nor of the public feedback that we have received.
00:55:47.720 -- I also want to be very clear too, that.
00:55:50.270 -- Over the last 6, 7, 8 months.
00:55:50.270 -- Now, since the Greenfield sites were identified in late September.
00:55:53.450 -- The public opposition to the three identified Greenfield sites has been unanimous.
00:56:03.630 -- Without fail.
00:56:03.630 -- It has also received zero.
00:56:08.130 -- Local government support at any level.
00:56:10.750 -- From city county or port.
00:56:10.750 -- Nor has he received any.
00:56:15.670 -- Support from the four sovereign Indian nations.
00:56:15.670 -- In the south Puget sound.
00:56:21.610 -- Those facts are not lost on the commission.
00:56:26.840 -- I promise you, they are not lost on the commission.
00:56:30.100 -- We also recognize as a result of direct interface with the quale tribe in particular.
00:56:35.790 -- That the Greenfield site sit on top of the quale river watershed that there are medicine Creek treaty issues that are involved as was pointed out during the public comments.
00:56:46.660 -- We recognized the presence of a aquifer onto the ground.
00:56:46.660 -- There are.
00:56:51.440 -- Significant hurdles and issues to be addressed.
00:56:55.090 -- These are not been ignored.
00:56:55.090 -- They are open and aware, and it is in part, what has fueled the public opposition and the opposition of local governments and the Indian sovereign tribes.
00:57:08.060 -- So as a preface to that, now let us go into the commission results and you will see the hearts and minds of where the commission I think is leading and what ultimately that will lead us to today.
00:57:17.840 -- And I greatly appreciate the input of the commission members.
00:57:22.900 -- And the high level of return response, you know, to the survey.
00:57:22.900 -- Next slide, please.
00:57:27.140 -- So the first question is, are you a voting member or a non-voting member? 10 voting members, again, 83%.
00:57:36.110 -- 16 of the 22 at that time, members of the commission responded.
00:57:36.110 -- Next slide.
00:57:40.600 -- Next one.
00:57:43.700 -- Do you believe that future commercial aviation capacity needs passenger and cargo can be met with existing airports or that a Greenfield site is required? When the commission first started.
00:57:52.830 -- This process, we believed that we could solve the capacity issue that was identified in place before the commission.
00:58:00.640 -- With existing airports, we studied 17 airports in Puget sound.
00:58:07.140 -- One in Eastern Washington that had the greatest capacity.
00:58:10.590 -- Possibilities and potential.
00:58:10.590 -- And ultimately over that first.
00:58:14.950 -- 16 to 18 months of commission work.
00:58:17.540 -- We realized that the existing airports would not be sufficient.
00:58:22.220 -- And as a result, we then commenced an effort by which we could identify perhaps a new location.
00:58:28.940 -- The end result of that backstory from a year and a half ago or almost two years ago now, plus.
00:58:33.640 -- Is that the responses to this survey question were.
00:58:38.700 -- Is the use of existing airport sufficient.
00:58:38.700 -- Only one responded 13.
00:58:43.510 -- Responded, obviously there were a few non-responders you will see those numbers.
00:58:47.300 -- Not every question has 16 responses.
00:58:51.750 -- Only a Greenfield site can provide the needed capacity in the minds of the commission.
00:58:56.190 -- Will you respect governor Inslee's comments during his May 15th signing of 1791 and his comments that in his view, that only the existing airports should be looked at to solve the capacity.
00:59:08.420 -- We respect that view.
00:59:08.420 -- It was where the commission started.
00:59:11.820 -- The commission previously had come to the conclusion.
00:59:14.790 -- That existing airports would not sufficiently meet the capacity or meet industry needs.
00:59:19.640 -- And as a result, we see those same results here.
00:59:23.900 -- On this survey response.
00:59:23.900 -- The end result is, is.
00:59:29.830 -- There's a dichotomy of opinion.
00:59:32.180 -- As to where the emphasis should be placed and something then to address going forward.
00:59:36.880 -- Next slide, please.
00:59:36.880 -- The third question, do you believe that pain field will continue to add commercial capacity regardless whether the C selects and I'll refer to the commercial aviation coordinating commission at the CAC, just for brevity purposes, it as the same preferred location for a new prime commercial aviation facility for 14 other respondent.
00:59:56.620 -- Respondents said yes.
00:59:59.980 -- So regardless of what the CAC does, we expect.
01:00:04.470 -- What cat does today, we expect that paint field will continue to.
01:00:09.030 -- Grow and pursue commercial service.
01:00:11.620 -- It is part of their airport master plan update.
01:00:14.660 -- And most Ctech and paint field will do what they can to, to continue to achieve.
01:00:18.870 -- Increased commercial aviation capacity.
01:00:18.870 -- Next slide.
01:00:18.870 -- Next slide.
01:00:26.050 -- Given the results of question three, do you believe.
01:00:29.310 -- That the single preferred location for a new commercial aviation facility should be paint field in existing airport with existing commercial service.
01:00:36.740 -- Or a Greenfield site and 13 of the 16 respondents said it needs to be a Greenfield site, a new airport.
01:00:41.740 -- Next slide, please.
01:00:46.680 -- Next slide.
01:00:46.680 -- Which dream field site do you prefer? And I think the responses to this question.
01:00:54.530 -- Speak more clearly to the public and governmental feedback.
01:00:59.070 -- Than almost any other result.
01:00:59.070 -- By these responses, only one of 14 responses received.
01:01:07.260 -- Looked at one of the existing three Greenfield sites that had been identified back in September and October.
01:01:15.600 -- I think this question right here goes to the heart of the matter.
01:01:19.070 -- Does the commission believe that the three Greenfield sites in Pearson county and Thurston county.
01:01:22.860 -- Serve a purpose as a future airport location.
01:01:27.710 -- That answer clearly in this question is no.
01:01:32.350 -- Does the commission believe? That an unidentified Greenfield site is necessary.
01:01:37.980 -- To achieve the necessary capacity requirements.
01:01:41.050 -- Based upon the data that the commission had to work with.
01:01:41.050 -- That interest clearly.
01:01:45.300 -- Yes.
01:01:45.300 -- Now I will admit that is my.
01:01:48.690 -- Subjective conclusion as I reviewed this question.
01:01:52.940 -- And these responses.
01:01:55.740 -- But I think it would be an easy conclusion to agree with.
01:01:59.660 -- We recognize that the three Greenfield sites.
01:02:02.820 -- Are insufficient and do not meet the need.
01:02:06.420 -- But there must be some location perhaps somewhere that does.
01:02:09.780 -- We don't know where it is today.
01:02:12.100 -- Nor do we know all the factors that need to be considered to determine it? Slide please.
01:02:22.610 -- McAllister field.
01:02:22.610 -- And for those that are not familiar, was the one non Q sound government that stood up and said, we'll take it.
01:02:31.690 -- We'll take the new commercial aviation facility here.
01:02:35.260 -- It wasn't something that the commission had studied, nor did we have any data? But the possibility that one local government has said we are willing to support the effort.
01:02:43.380 -- Was concerned previously, the commissioner internally among its deliberations had voiced a concern about.
01:02:51.020 -- The capacity needs are on Puget sound.
01:02:53.180 -- How do we move the people in the cargo to, and from Yakima, that question has never been answered, but the end result is should Yakima be part of this final discussion? Only three said yes.
01:03:04.030 -- 11 said, no.
01:03:04.030 -- Next question, please.
01:03:09.670 -- Next one next one.
01:03:09.670 -- Next.
01:03:12.220 -- You believe it is possible to have a new commercial aviation facility complete and functional by 2040.
01:03:18.310 -- That was the intent of the original legislation that created the cap.
01:03:22.030 -- Clearly the commission is split.
01:03:25.540 -- Mostly split my interpretation.
01:03:25.540 -- Being an airport manager, recognizing the hurdles that had to be jumped through in terms of planning and construction and funding and sponsorship.
01:03:36.660 -- And environmental studies and location and infrastructure.
01:03:40.660 -- 2040 is a big hill of client and the commissioner recognized that.
01:03:45.420 -- So it's split.
01:03:47.350 -- Depends upon how much time and effort and energy is placed into it as to whether it'll happen.
01:03:51.000 -- Next slide please.
01:03:51.000 -- Next if your choice of previous questions? No.
01:03:56.100 -- And again, there were eight nos that it can happen by 2040.
01:03:58.200 -- When do you think in your mind, based upon your knowledge of the industry, it could.
01:04:02.450 -- Happen.
01:04:05.420 -- And you can see the numbers are all over the map.
01:04:08.780 -- 2042 to beyond 2050.
01:04:12.950 -- Even if we start today.
01:04:12.950 -- We are 20 to 30 years away, potentially at ATLA, half of the mind of the respondents.
01:04:21.380 -- Do have a functional new airport facility.
01:04:21.380 -- Next line, please.
01:04:29.350 -- This was an open ended question that provided several considerations for what will it take? To have a functioning.
01:04:33.640 -- Airport, assuming that we're talking about a Greenfield site and the commission goes in that direction.
01:04:41.880 -- What will it take in, in what priority? Is the importance of the issues to go ahead and meet that need.
01:04:51.020 -- And they elicit here.
01:04:51.020 -- The six items are listed in the priority order.
01:04:55.020 -- As chosen by the response to the survey.
01:04:58.420 -- The first item is the identification.
01:04:58.420 -- Or in other words, in other comments was the creation of an airport sponsor who will lead and operate the airport.
01:05:06.760 -- Commitments of funding.
01:05:10.210 -- Third was the airport master plan creation.
01:05:12.630 -- That is a federal aviation administration process.
01:05:15.580 -- By which an airport is designed and the standards are met.
01:05:20.340 -- The commitment of funding to build the supporting infrastructure.
01:05:23.460 -- Not just the airport airport, but the roads, the rail utilities, the stormwater, the wastewater.
01:05:27.180 -- Water to that facility fifth.
01:05:30.840 -- Industry commitments to operate from the new site.
01:05:34.710 -- This is not a build it and they will come.
01:05:36.830 -- This requires a joint collaboration to ensure that.
01:05:40.460 -- If a new facility is to be established.
01:05:40.460 -- That it will in fact, be used to meet the capacity needs.
01:05:43.940 -- And lastly, but not less importantly was the environmental approvals.
01:05:50.910 -- This basically is just a script in the order of events, in which things need to take place.
01:05:55.540 -- Not to say that any one of those six items is more important than another, just in terms of an order in which.
01:05:58.630 -- The commission members were, were thinking in terms of.
01:06:02.000 -- Where we start and what the roadmap looks like.
01:06:07.990 -- Next like please what additional items that were not listed should be added to this question.
01:06:16.690 -- These are in no particular order in no ranking or priority, there were six responses made from the 16.
01:06:19.840 -- Overall response of the survey.
01:06:25.260 -- And the topics include sustainability and emerging technologies.
01:06:29.080 -- Airspace issues that the legislature should create the airport sponsor.
01:06:33.470 -- That we must adhere to the formal commercial service process of the FAA.
01:06:38.550 -- It's called part 1 39 to create this commercial airport to ensure it meets the right standards.
01:06:45.060 -- It was noted that the lack of support to date from the business community for the efforts of the commission has been notable.
01:06:51.580 -- And then to expedite the process that there should be simultaneous construction of both the airport and the infrastructure.
01:06:55.360 -- Next one next one.
01:06:55.360 -- Excellent.
01:07:03.250 -- Would you prefer a no action alternative.
01:07:05.660 -- Be the catch response to the state legislature.
01:07:05.660 -- I said yes.
01:07:11.380 -- 11 said no.
01:07:11.380 -- Next question next line.
01:07:11.380 -- Next slide does the possibility that the state legislature at the time the survey was done? The legislator had not yet passed 1791.
01:07:26.580 -- But does the possibility that the legislature may pass this new law as it did? Abolishing the cap and creating a new work group.
01:07:33.320 -- Having an impact on your willingness or ability to reach a final recommendation on a preferred commercial aviation facility.
01:07:37.300 -- Yes, obviously, recognizing legislative intent.
01:07:42.400 -- 12 said no, indicating that.
01:07:48.580 -- As my personal discussions have taken place subsequent to the survey with members of the commission, that it's a data point.
01:07:55.940 -- We were tasked by the legislation to provide a recommendation.
01:07:59.180 -- It is a common upon to do so.
01:07:59.180 -- It's up to the legislature, what they do with that recommendation.
01:08:05.380 -- But ultimately we should still give it our best effort to make one.
01:08:10.830 -- Next slide, please.
01:08:15.460 -- If you answered.
01:08:15.460 -- Yes.
01:08:15.460 -- Yes.
01:08:15.460 -- If you response to, it said we should not make a recommendation.
01:08:18.979 -- We should make no action.
01:08:18.979 -- Why, why would you mention that? And the responses were false.
01:08:23.340 -- More studies required.
01:08:28.540 -- The new models supersede the process of the cat and are data and opinion should be packaged and transferred to the new work group.
01:08:35.010 -- We're not in the position to make a recommendation.
01:08:37.270 -- It's especially with substantial community opposition at the three final sites.
01:08:41.260 -- And lastly, if the legislature has all been insured, the sunset of the cat without consideration of its work, those were urban comments from.
01:08:46.689 -- The respondents.
01:08:52.229 -- Even including the syntax of, of punctuation.
01:08:52.229 -- Next slide, please.
01:08:56.960 -- Has the inability.
01:09:02.160 -- I mentioned the two restrictions before that were placed on the CAC about king county and military installations.
01:09:07.779 -- Has the inability to make any recommendations located in king county benne hindrance to the CAC process.
01:09:11.319 -- Nine people said yes.
01:09:11.319 -- Seven people said, no.
01:09:16.140 -- It did have an impact.
01:09:16.140 -- Next slide, please.
01:09:25.149 -- Similarly has the inability to make any recommendations on or near a military installation.
01:09:29.760 -- Ben benne hindrance to the CAC process.
01:09:33.950 -- Here at flips a little bit.
01:09:33.950 -- And a stronger support that in, in, in the minds of 10 command me mission members.
01:09:37.560 -- Yes.
01:09:37.560 -- And in particular here, not only are we talking about any military installation anywhere in the state, but the one of course, specifically that has created great.
01:09:49.590 -- Concern and awareness was the restriction with regard to J B L M.
01:09:53.270 -- That not being able to include JBLM as part of the discussion process.
01:09:57.820 -- And as a teammate to help solve the problem.
01:10:00.480 -- Or perhaps even as a joint civil military field, that option was precluded to us, to the CAC.
01:10:06.100 -- And the commission by the nature of the legislation.
01:10:11.140 -- But a majority of the commissioner members still felt that was a hindrance to the process.
01:10:14.040 -- Next slide.
01:10:20.420 -- And this is where it gets a little bit busy and I will ask the commission members on the phone.
01:10:24.000 -- Or online to pay.
01:10:29.570 -- Close attention to the series.
01:10:31.870 -- This next series of slides for both question 16 and later question 18.
01:10:36.270 -- Because we will revisit them later.
01:10:36.270 -- The intent was again, one task of the commission is to make a preferred single location recommendation.
01:10:46.920 -- The secondary task was of three was to make other general recommendations associated with general aviation, commercial pasture and commercial air cargo.
01:10:57.880 -- So commission members, as you see the responses here.
01:11:05.630 -- Note that this is asking the question with regard to the second task before us, what recommendations would we make to the legislature? Again, these are in no order.
01:11:13.840 -- Some are clipped phrases.
01:11:18.070 -- Exactly as they were provided, some are full sentences.
01:11:18.070 -- Some are from voting.
01:11:22.080 -- Some are from non-voting members.
01:11:24.020 -- But in the context of how the commission has historically conducted its business.
01:11:28.580 -- It has always been that every member of the commission has an equal say in an equal vote.
01:11:32.120 -- And then ultimately everybody's voice has, has an input and has some value.
01:11:36.820 -- So again, no particular numbers, no particular priority just in the order in which the responses came in.
01:11:48.020 -- You can see that the topics that were covered sustainable aviation support.
01:11:52.800 -- U a S is unmanned aerial systems support.
01:11:56.920 -- I E emerging technologies.
01:11:56.920 -- Pasture vehicle charging stations.
01:12:00.700 -- Create a training site for enhancing workforce development.
01:12:04.420 -- And I see a question online about what does U a S support its unmanned aerial systems.
01:12:08.200 -- Drones is what.
01:12:08.200 -- So in other words, provide an airport that includes the capability for drones or Werven ports or unmanned.
01:12:15.240 -- Commercial pastor and cargo operation.
01:12:19.950 -- Next slide please.
01:12:19.950 -- The responses will continue over a series of slides.
01:12:25.000 -- Connectivity to train infrastructure for pastors highway connectivity.
01:12:29.220 -- The use of J B L M land must be part of the long term solution.
01:12:33.820 -- Ensure that all H S T P P T revenues.
01:12:33.820 -- Now that's a term.
01:12:37.480 -- That's not gonna be familiar to very many people.
01:12:40.600 -- H S T P P T refers to hazard substance tax and prop petroleum products, tax taxes that are levied on aviation fuels.
01:12:49.020 -- The FAA requires those taxes to be diverted and provided strictly to the aeronautics account or to airports.
01:12:53.200 -- In this state, those taxes go to the general fund.
01:12:58.860 -- So there is a compliance issue with regard to FAA, but that's what the H S T P P T means.
01:13:01.820 -- And in this case, the recommendation was is that these revenues must be directed to the state aeronautics account as required for FAA compliance and as the single most important recommendation for general aviation.
01:13:13.440 -- Next slide.
01:13:19.470 -- Develop and employment, mandatory statewide compatible land use requirements about airports.
01:13:24.420 -- We recognize encroachment property encroachment that takes place around airports as essential public facilities, airports cannot be subject to the whims of local land use decisions.
01:13:30.120 -- And as.
01:13:34.420 -- By this response to the second, most important recommendation for general aviation.
01:13:36.280 -- Next plan, prepare and equip all airports with the necessary infrastructure for emergency aviation technology and sustainable fuels.
01:13:43.760 -- Next slide.
01:13:50.250 -- While utilizing expanding commercial.
01:13:52.350 -- Service facilities will not solve the capacity issue.
01:13:54.840 -- This should be an interim measure taken while a new commercial.
01:13:57.390 -- Airport is cited and developed.
01:13:57.390 -- I read that as what are the interim steps? Can we implement? Increased capacity at existing airports while looking for toward the future.
01:14:08.660 -- Let the new regional airport authority figure this out in cooperation with other agencies operating in the region.
01:14:12.280 -- As well as MPOs, that would be metropolitan planning organizations.
01:14:19.160 -- Outreach program to be developed based upon the site selection process.
01:14:22.310 -- Next slide.
01:14:26.350 -- Inclusion of other types of aviation, including electronic.
01:14:30.240 -- Vertical takeoff and landing.
01:14:30.240 -- That's what EV Vitol is UNC crewed, pastor and or cargo.
01:14:35.540 -- The necessary infrastructure to get people and cargo to the site, whether that be road or pasture rail, et cetera.
01:14:41.540 -- The sustainability focus is on sustainable aviation fuels.
01:14:45.820 -- As biodiesel unleaded, AF gas.
01:14:49.200 -- Electric hydrogen hybrid and we must front end the possibility of high-speed rail or similar to reach more distant locations.
01:14:53.000 -- Next slide.
01:15:00.290 -- Would more options on the table to adequately access other Greenfield sites, keep Eastern Washington locations as an option.
01:15:03.710 -- We must front end, the willingness for community agreements regarding noise and the extensive economic benefits possible for a community.
01:15:13.860 -- In order to adequately promote to communities, irrational balance between a new airport and the negative impacts.
01:15:20.980 -- The legislature has all been insured.
01:15:22.500 -- The sunset of the CAC without consideration of its work.
01:15:24.740 -- It is time to move on with the same consideration of the decision.
01:15:24.740 -- Next slide.
01:15:37.070 -- <silence> next slide, please.
01:15:42.460 -- The necessity for an alternative to SeaTech the site must be in Western Washington.
01:15:45.960 -- Federal compliance or the ability to address and achieve it.
01:15:49.830 -- Accessibility capacity, both terminal and airside.
01:15:53.540 -- Detail the needs of specified in the Puget sound regional council's most recent report on commercial aviation.
01:15:57.220 -- Next slide.
01:16:03.460 -- For my data on local airport capacity and response to potential expansion as developed by CAC staff and share the consultant's research on potential Greenfield sites.
01:16:10.400 -- That's a large number of recommendations.
01:16:17.190 -- Next slide, please.
01:16:22.260 -- CAC ledger legislation does authorize a voting member, the right to submit a minority report.
01:16:28.050 -- Regardless of the outcome of the commission's work.
01:16:28.050 -- If you are a voting member.
01:16:34.880 -- Eligible to submit such a minority report.
01:16:34.880 -- If you disagree, whatever recommendations the CAC reach would you consider submitting such a report? Most people chose not to answer.
01:16:44.590 -- Only nine of 16 answered.
01:16:44.590 -- Two said yes.
01:16:48.620 -- So that remains a right of a voting member.
01:16:48.620 -- You know, if they choose to see it.
01:16:55.110 -- Next slide.
01:16:59.580 -- An additional comments.
01:16:59.580 -- Now, these can take the forms of additional recommendations or general thoughts.
01:17:04.900 -- And again, it's a series of slides.
01:17:04.900 -- I'll go through them quickly.
01:17:08.910 -- Move JB lamb to Eastern Washington in the vicinity of Moses lake, which is already a C 17 training facility in Yakima, which provides army training facilities.
01:17:14.930 -- Then repurpose, J B L a M into a new commercial aviation facility.
01:17:22.500 -- The city of Yakima is willing to host a preferred commercial aviation facility.
01:17:25.640 -- Given the difficulty of moving 55,000 pastors per day, the anticipated capacity needs.
01:17:29.100 -- Consider a different alternative, make Yakima air terminal, McAllister field, a joint military commercial facility.
01:17:34.960 -- And relocate J B L M aviation assets.
01:17:39.520 -- There.
01:17:39.520 -- Next slide.
01:17:45.480 -- Continue to grow pain.
01:17:45.480 -- Field's commercial capacity.
01:17:48.840 -- A recommendation should be made to the legislature to study the feasibility of a joint military and civilian facility.
01:17:54.600 -- I think you can see from the answer of the surveys with regard to the J B M restriction and some of these additional comments.
01:18:02.230 -- That there is a sense from the commission.
01:18:05.700 -- At whatever level and value we wanna put on it, but at least we are seeing several respondents discuss.
01:18:08.260 -- A joint military, civilian.
01:18:13.600 -- Operation.
01:18:16.260 -- The legislature must act to create a new regional airport authority and empowered to complete the site selection process.
01:18:21.670 -- Acquire land for the new airport mitigate impacts and impose zoning and other land use restrictions.
01:18:25.120 -- Next slide.
01:18:31.590 -- This a direct quote.
01:18:31.590 -- I understand your desire to receive input from CAC members.
01:18:34.840 -- However, I am hesitant to provide policy input Volz via a questionnaire rather than a publicly noticed meeting or topics of fully discussed.
01:18:42.310 -- I've be Bagg by bypass a couple of questions for this reason.
01:18:45.580 -- So there's a good explanation right there on why not everybody answered, but that's the point of covering this survey in detail in this meeting to be completely open and transparent.
01:18:54.740 -- As to what are the questions before commission members and what are they thinking? Well, whatever value that may ultimately have.
01:19:03.380 -- Any limitations made on a study.
01:19:03.380 -- Location, approximate to it says AFB that's air force base.
01:19:09.950 -- Read that as military installation, location, prohibitions, et cetera.
01:19:13.350 -- Potentially hinder a decision making process.
01:19:15.820 -- All potential options should be considered.
01:19:15.820 -- Next slide.
01:19:21.780 -- Recommendations for a singular site, Greenfield oil ice limits.
01:19:24.960 -- The ability to identify a full range of solutions that will likely be needed to meet future demand.
01:19:29.790 -- With enough funding and support expansion of an existing site may be.
01:19:33.630 -- Able to meet a 2040 timeframe.
01:19:36.190 -- However completion by 2040 seems unlikely for a Greenfield site.
01:19:41.030 -- Next slide, please.
01:19:45.430 -- Regarding question number six.
01:19:45.430 -- This was with regard to the location.
01:19:50.020 -- My answer is no, that was about Yakima or terminal.
01:19:52.490 -- Early analysis and decision by the CAC.
01:19:52.490 -- Now with the range of considerations, the site west of the cascades, if is issue in region options are to be considered.
01:19:59.350 -- Then a review of all viable options should be further vetted.
01:19:59.350 -- Next slide.
01:20:07.940 -- Public engagement and consensus building among local government agencies is critical to the advancement of any potential expansion efforts.
01:20:14.880 -- Watching that unfold as part of this work reminded me of the importance of a thoughtful and transparent decision making process.
01:20:20.460 -- And Warren that's a reference to me as chair was incredibly adept in his communication on behalf of the CAC, I would strongly recommend.
01:20:26.230 -- Encourage public engagement as well as industry engagement and future efforts.
01:20:31.700 -- I'm humbled by the comment, but.
01:20:31.700 -- Sometimes, I wonder if I really serve that purpose as well as I could have.
01:20:38.990 -- Next slide, please.
01:20:38.990 -- A number of questions above.
01:20:38.990 -- I could not answer.
01:20:44.030 -- Both require an other choice with an explanation.
01:20:46.680 -- I do not believe we have been provided adequate analysis as between the three finalist sites.
01:20:50.320 -- That would be the three in Pearson Thurston counties.
01:20:53.880 -- Particularly on issues of community, public health and environmental impacts.
01:20:59.220 -- Yakima baby.
01:20:59.220 -- A great idea, but we've done no analysis.
01:21:01.600 -- So both a yes and a no choice are speculative.
01:21:01.600 -- Next slide, please.
01:21:08.840 -- I think a minority port may be justified and useful depending upon what the majority has voted.
01:21:12.480 -- I cannot define it in the abstract.
01:21:15.600 -- I do note that as a citizen Representative with no staff for budget support, it is unclear to proceed with how Dr.
01:21:18.700 -- Drafting, how to draft a useful minority report.
01:21:21.460 -- Next slide.
01:21:27.920 -- I could not answer question number two, because I think it will take a combination of new.
01:21:29.360 -- And Greenfield, that's a direct quote.
01:21:32.960 -- I believe what the intent was, existing airport in Greenfield.
01:21:36.800 -- But I, I can't say for sure.
01:21:41.610 -- Could not answer question number six, because it will require studying.
01:21:45.090 -- Which the CAC has not conducted.
01:21:45.090 -- This was about Yakima.
01:21:45.090 -- And question number 11.
01:21:51.380 -- My choice of words there as an indication.
01:21:53.350 -- Perhaps that's in italics because that was my interpretation of the meaning of the comment.
01:21:57.320 -- No action response is the only way to get Yakima study.
01:22:02.990 -- Next I'm a voting member, but do not feel confident.
01:22:05.160 -- I have enough knowledge of the legislative process to prepare a minority report.
01:22:08.990 -- Next slide.
01:22:11.780 -- It is unfortunate that the CAK was prevented from even considering a joint use airport with Louis McCord air force base.
01:22:15.080 -- The, or there are examples in other parts of the United States where this model works would have the least environmental impact in my view.
01:22:24.760 -- I think we should turn over all the work and research done by and for the CAC to the new legislative creative work group and wish them luck.
01:22:32.420 -- And the final comment by one respondent was thank you to all the CAC members for your time and effort over the years.
01:22:35.920 -- Next slide, please.
01:22:43.540 -- So, this is where we are.
01:22:43.540 -- This, this is.
01:22:43.540 -- What the, the survey results showed.
01:22:48.530 -- Again, the open-ended discussion in March 30th turned out not to be productive.
01:22:53.860 -- The intent was let's craft a survey.
01:22:53.860 -- And this is my personal analogy.
01:23:00.780 -- But it works for me, so I will share it.
01:23:03.430 -- When you go to the optimist optometrist, you get a series of.
01:23:07.230 -- Lens movements and the optometrist says a or B.
01:23:11.180 -- And you pick one and then it goes to the next level a or B and a or B.
01:23:15.780 -- And eventually you work your way down to.
01:23:15.780 -- A or B and that's it.
01:23:20.680 -- That's the final.
01:23:20.680 -- That's perfect or as good as we can get.
01:23:24.900 -- And so the intent here behind the survey.
01:23:24.900 -- Quite unabashedly was to where are we? We've got pain field.
01:23:30.050 -- We've got SeaTech, we've got Greenfield sites.
01:23:33.160 -- We have existing airports.
01:23:33.160 -- We have.
01:23:35.990 -- Legislative intent, a number of things.
01:23:38.260 -- Can we tunnel our way down to a place where we are? I think the survey leads in that direction with some recommendations.
01:23:44.060 -- But ultimately that was the intent with many, many individual.
01:23:47.730 -- Thoughtful comments.
01:23:49.100 -- The commission members took a fair amount of time to write those comments as substantial as they were.
01:23:52.160 -- Nothing was left out.
01:23:56.060 -- And those documents are available.
01:23:56.060 -- So at this point, Terry, I will call you forward.
01:24:00.440 -- And before we go forward to figure out our next steps.
01:24:03.950 -- Recognize where we are in the process.
01:24:03.950 -- We will simplify this, I believe, going forward.
01:24:09.300 -- And we will now take the former roll call of the commission members, both voting and non voting, but it will be the voting members' presence that will determine whether or not we have a quo.
01:24:17.160 -- I will silence my microphone at this point.
01:25:53.870 -- Okay, so I'm gonna turn off my mic, Katie and you and Scott.
01:25:58.340 -- Can do some sort of test.
01:25:58.340 -- Does that feel okay? You're just gonna tell people what to say on the.
01:26:06.590 -- Okay.
01:26:06.590 -- So logistically what we're gonna do is I will have my microphone on.
01:26:11.220 -- If either the other two commission members in the room, Representative, Dent or Eric, I will turn my microphone off and let's test your microphone.
01:26:19.780 -- Now okay.
01:26:19.780 -- How's that work? Giving a lot of feedback.
01:26:25.820 -- It's feedback.
01:26:25.820 -- You're in the room.
01:26:28.780 -- We can turn the speakers off when one of us is.
01:27:02.340 -- We, we, we won't.
01:27:07.590 -- Take questions at this point in time from the public, but you will see us process holds out that.
01:27:09.940 -- This roll call.
01:27:13.480 -- Determination will be of the voting members first and then the non-voting members sector.
01:27:16.200 -- So.
01:27:20.710 -- They're gonna say so I'm asking for something different.
01:27:24.620 -- I'm asking for the official.
01:27:30.700 -- Is that something we can.
01:27:33.740 -- So let's get the thing we're doing now, which is figuring this out, figure it out first and then we'll do that.
01:27:42.270 -- What what's a determination.
01:27:42.270 -- Warren, the people in the room can hear Warren Uhhuh.
01:27:47.980 -- We need to have someone online, speak to see if we can hear them.
01:27:51.650 -- Okay.
01:27:55.060 -- Can you ask somebody online to speak so we can.
01:27:57.310 -- Confirm Senator Keiser.
01:28:01.020 -- If you would unmute yourself as the sponsor of the legislation that originally created a CAC, would you give us an audio check please? And yes.
01:28:04.760 -- Can you, can you hear me? Yes.
01:28:08.580 -- Yes, we can.
01:28:08.580 -- Thank you very much.
01:28:13.510 -- Good.
01:28:18.620 -- So Terry, would you please come forward? And I think Terry, you're just gonna need to go.
01:28:21.640 -- This will, this work, you can sit right.
01:28:21.640 -- By this good morning to all members.
01:28:33.540 -- And the public attendees of the meeting.
01:28:33.540 -- I appreciate everybody's attendance.
01:28:39.060 -- So I'm gonna re read off the voting members.
01:28:42.370 -- First alphabetically and then the non-voting members.
01:28:45.700 -- And I will try to give you enough time to unmute.
01:28:48.940 -- To answer my call for if you're here.
01:28:53.220 -- Lauren Carr.
01:29:00.900 -- Lauren.
01:29:00.900 -- Yes, ma'am.
01:29:00.900 -- I am present.
01:29:00.900 -- Thank you.
01:29:06.730 -- Steve Edmondson.
01:29:06.730 -- Present.
01:29:06.730 -- Thank you, mark and Gian.
01:29:12.550 -- Present.
01:29:12.550 -- Thank you.
01:29:18.030 -- Eric Gauss.
01:29:18.030 -- Present.
01:29:18.030 -- Thank you.
01:29:23.340 -- Andrea Good pastor.
01:29:23.340 -- Present.
01:29:23.340 -- Thank you.
01:29:30.050 -- Wendy Janway I believe Wendy was unable to attend due to I'm here.
01:29:37.000 -- Sorry.
01:29:37.000 -- I'm sorry.
01:29:37.000 -- Okay.
01:29:41.480 -- Thank you, Wendy.
01:29:41.480 -- Yep.
01:29:41.480 -- Good to have you here.
01:29:41.480 -- Thank you, Eric Johnson.
01:29:51.020 -- Is here in front of me present.
01:29:55.730 -- Shane Jones.
01:29:55.730 -- Present.
01:29:55.730 -- And Larry Crowder present.
01:30:05.780 -- Kunkle president Jim Kunz.
01:30:09.900 -- Here, Joshua Marcie.
01:30:20.420 -- He had mentioned that he would be unavailable.
01:30:20.420 -- Robin Toth.
01:30:30.250 -- Bryce Yan.
01:30:37.850 -- Bryce onto the non-voting members.
01:30:42.670 -- Tony bean.
01:30:58.870 -- Lois fallen back.
01:30:58.870 -- Yes, I'm here.
01:30:58.870 -- Thank you.
01:31:04.100 -- Representative Tom Dent.
01:31:04.100 -- Representative Dent is here.
01:31:09.220 -- Warren Hendrickson.
01:31:09.220 -- Warren Hendrickson is here.
01:31:14.950 -- Senator Karen Keiser.
01:31:14.950 -- Senator Senator is here.
01:31:20.510 -- Senator Curtis king.
01:31:26.310 -- Senator King did mention that he had a conflict.
01:31:30.460 -- Representative Tina Orwall.
01:31:39.900 -- Representative Orwall he is traveling and UN unable to attend.
01:31:43.220 -- Thank you.
01:31:49.220 -- Robert Rodriguez.
01:31:57.660 -- Robert Rudy Rudolph.
01:32:02.710 -- Rudy Rudolph is unable to attend today.
01:32:02.710 -- Thank you, Jason.
01:32:08.970 -- Thito.
01:32:16.850 -- Jason.
01:32:22.300 -- Carrie wooler.
01:32:28.420 -- Carrie was also had conflicts.
01:32:28.420 -- That's the roll call? Thank you, Terry.
01:32:33.050 -- There are 12.
01:32:37.700 -- Of 14 voting members.
01:32:37.700 -- Present our minimum.
01:32:37.700 -- Form is nine.
01:32:44.220 -- We have a.
01:32:44.220 -- Corner.
01:32:44.220 -- We have four voting members.
01:32:48.650 -- Non-voting members that are present.
01:32:48.650 -- But they do not enter into the.
01:32:53.420 -- Single preferred location.
01:32:55.340 -- We do have quorum therefore to reach a recommendation.
01:33:00.420 -- And I'll go through the tasking in just a moment.
01:33:00.420 -- To reach a recommendation.
01:33:04.460 -- We need.
01:33:04.460 -- Not only the form to be achieved, which we have achieved, but we need.
01:33:08.980 -- Nine votes for any recommendation of a single preferred aviation facility.
01:33:16.550 -- Next slide, please.
01:33:21.100 -- To tee this up for the commission and the recommendation.
01:33:21.100 -- Again, we have free tasks.
01:33:24.160 -- We'll go through those in turn.
01:33:28.310 -- Each task will be.
01:33:28.310 -- Done independently of the others.
01:33:33.740 -- The first requires only the voting members to support as we go into it.
01:33:40.190 -- Next slide, please.
01:33:44.910 -- Here are the considerations that commission members should take.
01:33:48.430 -- Into account before we get to a point where we have a motion and a vote.
01:33:53.100 -- The motion will be done by Robert's rules of order.
01:33:58.160 -- I have tentative motions prepared as a starting point.
01:34:01.850 -- Which may or may not be the ones that the commission choose to embrace or not.
01:34:06.860 -- But at least it's a starting point.
01:34:06.860 -- We'll have a motion a second.
01:34:11.250 -- We'll have any additional discussion and then we'll have a vote.
01:34:15.220 -- By roll call of the preferred location.
01:34:15.220 -- Here are the considerations.
01:34:20.840 -- I would offer to my fellow commission members.
01:34:24.120 -- I personally am a non-voting member.
01:34:24.120 -- I will not have a decision or a role.
01:34:28.420 -- In the final recommendation.
01:34:32.130 -- These are at no particular order.
01:34:34.180 -- But I think the things that we have discussed today and the things that we have been made very well aware of over the last several months of the commission's work.
01:34:41.320 -- The public feedback.
01:34:41.320 -- The public feedback has been strong.
01:34:46.700 -- It has been engaged.
01:34:46.700 -- It has been important.
01:34:46.700 -- It has been critical.
01:34:49.620 -- It has been essential.
01:34:49.620 -- On any number of fronts? Secondly, we must acknowledge the lack of local government support from cities.
01:34:58.080 -- Counties and ports third, we must recognize the lack of Indian, Indian sovereign nation support.
01:35:07.900 -- Fourth, we must recognize the legislative intent behind the creation of house bill 1791.
01:35:13.550 -- Despite, despite the sections that veto.
01:35:18.140 -- We must consider the governor's veto comments about the use of existing airports.
01:35:22.980 -- We must consider the survey responses that we just spent the last 45 minutes discussing.
01:35:26.640 -- With regard to what thoughts the commission members may have with regard to the choices.
01:35:35.100 -- Before us.
01:35:35.100 -- And lastly, the statutory.
01:35:38.080 -- Responsibility of the three tasks that we have.
01:35:43.310 -- Next slide, please.
01:35:49.170 -- Three recommendations are required today.
01:35:49.170 -- Overall three decisions to be made.
01:35:55.790 -- Next slide, please.
01:35:55.790 -- Flip back.
01:35:58.500 -- The first task is the single preferred commercial aviation facility.
01:36:03.180 -- Voting members only.
01:36:03.180 -- Nine votes required.
01:36:06.900 -- The second decision will be additional recommendations for general aviation, commercial, pastor service and commercial air cargo.
01:36:13.820 -- And the third will be what recommendations the commission would offer the legislature.
01:36:17.860 -- For the single preferred commercial aviation facility to be operational by the year 2040.
01:36:21.320 -- Next slide, please.
01:36:27.900 -- The final recommendations for question number one, the single preferred commercial aviation facility.
01:36:34.170 -- Based upon the feedback that I have received from individual commission members.
01:36:38.700 -- Our deliberations over three and a half years.
01:36:38.700 -- The survey results.
01:36:43.370 -- There are at least two potential options.
01:36:46.020 -- The first is to acknowledge the statutory requirement.
01:36:50.190 -- That the CAC must make a single preferred commercial aviation facility recommendation.
01:36:53.400 -- Acknowledge the heck member survey results.
01:36:58.300 -- And recommend a, yet to be identified Greenfield site.
01:37:03.950 -- That is one option.
01:37:03.950 -- The second option.
01:37:08.150 -- From a high level.
01:37:09.710 -- High level is to acknowledge the feedback received from the public.
01:37:14.100 -- The lack of local government support.
01:37:16.860 -- The lack of Indian tribe support the legislative intent.
01:37:22.020 -- And the Guba directorial comments during his veto.
01:37:25.380 -- And make no recommendation.
01:37:25.380 -- There may be others.
01:37:31.230 -- Next slide, please.
01:37:31.230 -- So there's a question you wanna hold it just, just one more second.
01:37:35.280 -- So, so we look at those two options.
01:37:40.480 -- And two potential motions.
01:37:45.420 -- One to take the balance of the survey results and the feedback received.
01:37:51.380 -- You can see the text on the slide.
01:37:51.380 -- For either the first option.
01:37:56.740 -- Or the text for the second option to make no recommendation.
01:38:00.260 -- And now at this point, Brett, I will rely on you to call on commission members.
01:38:05.100 -- For their input and I will silence my mic at this point to prevent the input for those of you that are online, that are commenting.
01:38:11.460 -- Please do make sure you unmute yourself and speak clearly so we can hear you here.
01:38:15.840 -- Thank you.
01:38:24.440 -- Mr chairman.
01:38:24.440 -- Larry Crowder requesting to be organized or to be recognized.
01:38:28.920 -- Sorry.
01:38:28.920 -- <laugh>.
01:38:46.720 -- I am not here.
01:38:46.720 -- I'm not able to hear anything that's being said.
01:38:49.140 -- If there is anything being said, can you repeat that? Larry? Larry.
01:39:04.160 -- I was just asking to be recognized, Mr.
01:39:04.160 -- Chairman.
01:39:08.100 -- Before any motions are made? Yes.
01:39:12.900 -- Am I recognized, sir.
01:39:12.900 -- Yes.
01:39:12.900 -- Okay.
01:39:12.900 -- Thank you very much.
01:39:18.620 -- Before we get into any motions being offered.
01:39:23.460 -- Mr chairman, I would like to.
01:39:28.570 -- Point out that I will raise.
01:39:31.380 -- An objection to the consideration.
01:39:31.380 -- Of the questions.
01:39:38.980 -- And alternatively well, let me, let me put it this way when those objections, or if those objections are made, should a motion be made.
01:39:49.740 -- It is the obligation of the chair to propose that question to the committee.
01:39:53.300 -- If the objection should be upheld.
01:39:53.300 -- There are, there is no second required.
01:39:58.370 -- There is, it is not debatable or amendable.
01:40:01.340 -- And requires a true third vote of members present based on Robert's rules.
01:40:08.680 -- I would also, Mr.
01:40:08.680 -- Chairman.
01:40:08.680 -- Like to raise the possibility of the consideration.
01:40:18.820 -- Of an alternative motion.
01:40:18.820 -- Before the other motions that are more specific.
01:40:23.620 -- To the questions that I believe you would like to raise.
01:40:33.220 -- To suggest an alternative course of action for the commission to consider.
01:40:37.950 -- With regard to its obligations.
01:40:45.380 -- Yes, please do.
01:40:46.220 -- That's the entire intent on this is let's be open-ended about this and make sure that we follow the will of the majority of the commission.
01:40:50.760 -- Absolutely.
01:40:53.530 -- Thank you, Larry.
01:40:53.530 -- I appreciate this.
01:40:53.530 -- Thank you, Ms.
01:40:53.530 -- Chairman and, and Warren, I first would like to say thank you for your leadership and, and thank you for taking us through this process to the point that we've reached today.
01:41:06.280 -- With regard to the sense of obligation that the commission.
01:41:16.220 -- May feel that they have to the legislature based on the law that was passed.
01:41:21.740 -- I would suggest that the commission member survey.
01:41:26.380 -- That has been completed.
01:41:32.290 -- Serve as a sufficient report out of this commission to the legislature.
01:41:37.070 -- In fulfillment of our obligations.
01:41:42.700 -- And again, I would raise objection to the consideration of any further questions that may be raised.
01:41:51.270 -- Regarding any other issues to be brought before the commission that are more.
01:41:56.760 -- Specific to this matter.
01:41:56.760 -- And after that, I would be seeking a motion to adjourn the meeting.
01:42:11.330 -- Thank you, Larry.
01:42:11.330 -- I greatly appreciate that.
01:42:14.060 -- And I would now take a look to see what other commission members may have either here at present or online with regard to Mr.
01:42:18.920 -- Crowder's remarks, please.
01:42:30.700 -- The chair recognizes Jim Koons.
01:42:34.160 -- I think Larry brings up a very good point and I, I like his idea of simply accepting the.
01:42:41.580 -- The report that was just reviewed by you Warren.
01:42:44.640 -- I think this is an excellent idea to simply adopt that.
01:42:44.640 -- And adjourn the meeting.
01:42:55.170 -- Chair recognizes voting member.
01:42:55.170 -- Eric S.
01:43:00.510 -- Good morning.
01:43:00.510 -- Thank you.
01:43:00.510 -- I support Larry's position.
01:43:00.510 -- I think.
01:43:04.260 -- It was clear what the legislator and the governor had in mind by replacing this.
01:43:09.210 -- Commission with the working group and we should transfer that decision making to that, or the recommendations or the research to that working group.
01:43:17.900 -- And I think what this commission has so far put together.
01:43:23.000 -- Accomplishes the mission on that commission.
01:43:23.000 -- Thank you.
01:43:23.000 -- Eric, the chair recognizes voting member.
01:43:28.980 -- Steve Edmonton.
01:43:32.680 -- Everyone that has spoken so far is a voting member.
01:43:32.680 -- Thank you.
01:43:32.680 -- A couple things.
01:43:37.360 -- Could we actually have the, the optional motions? Slide back up on the screen, just so we are tracking.
01:43:45.730 -- Those possibilities.
01:43:45.730 -- And I wanna make sure I understand what, what Larry, Mr.
01:43:50.150 -- Crowder is, is saying is, is that the entire.
01:43:54.300 -- Report out would be the slides.
01:43:54.300 -- That are the survey responses.
01:43:59.580 -- Is that, and then we would adjourn.
01:44:03.560 -- I just wanna make sure I understand what's on the table with that.
01:44:06.040 -- I think that's what I heard.
01:44:06.040 -- That we would just use the, the survey.
01:44:10.720 -- Responses is that correct? Feel free to respond directly.
01:44:10.720 -- Larry, thank you, Mr.
01:44:15.720 -- Chairman.
01:44:15.720 -- Yes.
01:44:15.720 -- Mr.
01:44:15.720 -- Edmondson.
01:44:15.720 -- That is my intent.
01:44:21.200 -- I, I, I, I, I guess I, I, I would not support that.
01:44:26.500 -- My, my concern about it is.
01:44:26.500 -- E, even in the context of the answers that we saw on the screen, I think many folks had.
01:44:34.040 -- Issues with respect to even the phrasing of some of the questions being unanswerable.
01:44:38.350 -- And, and I think there's a lot of.
01:44:42.600 -- A lot of there's more, more, not there than is there.
01:44:48.870 -- And, and so I, I feel like that's taking a.
01:44:52.880 -- Massive amount of work that was done by.
01:44:57.670 -- This commission.
01:44:57.670 -- And sidelining it.
01:44:57.670 -- I don't, I, I, I, yeah.
01:44:57.670 -- I mean, I, I guess I was thinking more along the lines that we would be making a recommendation.
01:45:05.960 -- Or making no recommendation kind of suggested motion.
01:45:10.560 -- Number two.
01:45:10.560 -- And hoping that we would be.
01:45:14.480 -- Assuring that we would transition all of the work that we had done.
01:45:18.460 -- And I would include the survey results.
01:45:18.460 -- But all of the work that we had done, the reports that had been issued and the survey results.
01:45:26.340 -- To the new working group with a hope that that's a huge time saver.
01:45:31.410 -- As they address what they will ultimately take up.
01:45:36.420 -- So, you know, and, and maybe Mr.
01:45:36.420 -- Crowder, you weren't intending on sidelining, all that work.
01:45:40.360 -- But if, if that's the intent, I, I would not support it.
01:45:45.440 -- Ms.
01:45:45.440 -- Chairman, may I respond AB? Absolutely.
01:45:45.440 -- This is, this is our opportunity for an open and freewheeling discussion here.
01:45:51.720 -- So please do well, actually, I, I disagree with that respectfully, Mr.
01:45:51.720 -- Chairman, I think we're beginning to debate the possibility of a motion.
01:45:55.920 -- So.
01:46:00.680 -- I would just add back to Mr.
01:46:00.680 -- Edmondson, who, who I respect very much and appreciate his.
01:46:08.400 -- Opinions and participation.
01:46:10.660 -- In this process is that all of the information that we have generated is publicly available to anyone, including the subsequent working group.
01:46:19.580 -- To be used in any manner they see fit.
01:46:19.580 -- So I am not concerned in any way, shape or form that there is any limitation being placed on the availability of all a good work that has been done by the coordinating commission.
01:46:31.990 -- With regards to that.
01:46:31.990 -- But before we proceed, Mr.
01:46:31.990 -- Chairman, in case there would be any more.
01:46:35.820 -- And I don't see any more hands, sir.
01:46:35.820 -- I would, I would like to make that motion.
01:46:43.680 -- If you would be inclined to entertain that motion.
01:46:43.680 -- Well, there are two items that you have on the table.
01:46:48.770 -- Mr.
01:46:48.770 -- Crowder.
01:46:51.120 -- One was the potential objection.
01:46:51.120 -- Or perhaps a motion if I'll, if you Werven allowed, if you would allow my, if you like to place one or the other on, on the table for consideration by the voting members, then feel, please feel free to verbalize what they, that motion would be.
01:47:08.560 -- I will take notes.
01:47:10.420 -- As you read that motion off and then we will offer it for consideration.
01:47:14.930 -- Thank you, Mr.
01:47:14.930 -- Chairman.
01:47:14.930 -- I appreciate that.
01:47:17.280 -- My motion would be that I do see before you do that, I see one other hand from voting member, Lauren Carr.
01:47:25.150 -- Recognize Mr.
01:47:25.150 -- Thank you for further recognizing me.
01:47:25.150 -- This is Lauren.
01:47:30.680 -- I.
01:47:30.680 -- Actually appreciate Mr.
01:47:30.680 -- Crowder's comments for the following reason.
01:47:34.920 -- Between the two recommended potential options.
01:47:40.000 -- I had kind of a combination of both, because I think it's important to acknowledge the public feedback, et cetera.
01:47:46.540 -- At the same time, I believe that we did need to recommend.
01:47:50.880 -- A not as yet identified Greenfield site.
01:47:54.940 -- And by providing the results of the survey.
01:48:00.140 -- It accomplished both.
01:48:00.140 -- They've accomplished both of those items.
01:48:03.940 -- So I would be inclined to support Mr.
01:48:03.940 -- Crowder's suggestion.
01:48:10.350 -- Very good.
01:48:10.350 -- Thank you for that input, Mr.
01:48:10.350 -- Carr, Mr.
01:48:10.350 -- Crowder, as you craft your motion, I would ask you to consider, as you share the actual wording of it, whether we're only at addressing question number one, or if we're addressing all three question.
01:48:26.160 -- Questions before the commission this afternoon.
01:48:26.160 -- So with that, I will turn it back to you.
01:48:29.240 -- Thank you, Mr.
01:48:29.240 -- Chairman, my motion would obviate the need for any further consideration of any other motions, other than a motion to adjourn the meeting after the vote of.
01:48:40.300 -- On the motion, assuming that a simple majority is in favor of the motion that I will make.
01:48:48.190 -- Okay.
01:48:48.190 -- Okay, please, please verbalize that motion to the.
01:48:52.130 -- Commission members at this time.
01:48:52.130 -- Thank you Mr.
01:48:52.130 -- Chairman.
01:48:56.040 -- I would move that the civil.
01:48:58.360 -- Aviation coordinating commission hereby referred to as the CAC authorized the chair to.
01:49:02.440 -- Convey the commission member survey.
01:49:06.020 -- Report to the appropriate.
01:49:09.080 -- Person's within the Washington.
01:49:11.630 -- Legislature as fulfillment of our obligations under the enabling legislation.
01:49:29.640 -- I don't know if you may have already written that down yourself where you could maybe copy and paste that into the chat, Mr.
01:49:33.000 -- Crowder, but I'd appreciate that.
01:49:37.080 -- But in the meantime, if I have captured this correctly and, and call me on it, if I have not.
01:49:41.180 -- That you move to that the CAC authorized the chair.
01:49:45.670 -- That would be myself, Warren Hendrickson to convey.
01:49:50.860 -- The member survey to the appropriate personnel within the legislature as a fulfillment of the obligations.
01:50:00.240 -- Complete and in total to.
01:50:02.500 -- The requirements that we must meet.
01:50:08.060 -- That's mostly correct.
01:50:08.060 -- I would just say it's the results of the member survey, Mr.
01:50:12.300 -- Chairman.
01:50:12.300 -- Results in member survey.
01:50:18.220 -- In fulfillment of all of our obligations under the legislation.
01:50:23.380 -- As familiar obligation to the.
01:50:23.380 -- Religion.
01:50:23.380 -- Okay.
01:50:27.600 -- I will repeat that in a, in a, let me repeat that again.
01:50:33.540 -- Before we go any, any further.
01:50:37.610 -- There is a motion on the floor.
01:50:37.610 -- That the CAC authorized.
01:50:42.180 -- The chair to distribute the results.
01:50:46.260 -- Of the member survey.
01:50:46.260 -- To the appropriate members of the legislature.
01:50:51.780 -- As complete fulfillment of the tax obligations to that legislature.
01:50:58.540 -- Did I capture that correctly? I believe so.
01:51:04.240 -- I see a hit.
01:51:04.240 -- No.
01:51:04.240 -- Yes.
01:51:04.240 -- Great.
01:51:04.240 -- Okay, before we go further, I see a few hands raised.
01:51:08.520 -- Is there a second? To that motion.
01:51:15.920 -- I as a voting member, only a voting member can make a second.
01:51:15.920 -- So I will call on.
01:51:20.880 -- Commission member Lauren Carr first.
01:51:24.840 -- I am willing to second.
01:51:24.840 -- That motion, subject to discussion <laugh> if that makes sense.
01:51:28.030 -- Yes.
01:51:32.860 -- Yes, absolutely.
01:51:32.860 -- A second has been received.
01:51:32.860 -- By Lauren Carr.
01:51:38.540 -- Now with a motion and a second.
01:51:38.540 -- We will open to discussion.
01:51:43.740 -- And in keeping with commission press practice.
01:51:49.460 -- All commission members.
01:51:49.460 -- Have an opportunity to comment in the discussion, both voting and non-voting.
01:51:52.990 -- So with that, I believe I see a hand from.
01:51:58.190 -- Senator Karen Keiser.
01:51:58.190 -- Thank you.
01:51:58.190 -- Yes.
01:52:04.200 -- I would be offering a minority.
01:52:08.380 -- Report if this motion is adopted, I'm not a voting member, but I do have a point of view.
01:52:12.460 -- As the prime sponsor of the original.
01:52:16.670 -- Legislation.
01:52:16.670 -- So I would be I would welcome.
01:52:21.500 -- Advice on how to go about filing a minority.
01:52:21.500 -- Report.
01:52:34.670 -- Senator Keiser, would I kindly ask you to repeat your, your comment again, to make sure that everyone heard it? Sure.
01:52:43.260 -- If this motion on the table does pass.
01:52:43.260 -- I am not a voting member, so I don't have a voice on that.
01:52:47.940 -- But if it does, I would like to be able.
01:52:52.700 -- To submit a minority report.
01:52:57.180 -- And I am not exactly sure.
01:52:57.180 -- The process on how to do that.
01:53:02.750 -- Well, as a point point of honor.
01:53:02.750 -- Thank you, Senator.
01:53:02.750 -- Regrettably.
01:53:08.030 -- Only voting members were authorized to issue a minority report by the sorry, not that's what I was concerned with.
01:53:13.000 -- Yes.
01:53:13.000 -- Okay.
01:53:13.000 -- That's all right.
01:53:17.960 -- I have other other ways.
01:53:17.960 -- To express myself.
01:53:17.960 -- <laugh> I.
01:53:22.440 -- Am certainly you do <laugh>.
01:53:22.440 -- <laugh>.
01:53:26.060 -- The chair recognizes Steve Edmondson.
01:53:26.060 -- Oh, hi.
01:53:26.060 -- Thank you.
01:53:26.060 -- And I, I also want to say thanks to Larry Crowder.
01:53:30.240 -- I, I appreciate that.
01:53:30.240 -- The, the spirit and intent of this, I'm not gonna support it.
01:53:40.680 -- A a and the reason is.
01:53:40.680 -- Actually several reasons.
01:53:45.420 -- One is I, I, I simply don't see it as a report.
01:53:50.790 -- There's no, it's not a consensus report by this commission.
01:53:50.790 -- I, I don't think when it was offered as a survey, it was intended or posited that it would become.
01:54:01.360 -- A a report of the commission.
01:54:04.120 -- And I think for the reasons we've already even discussed, all of this is in the public record.
01:54:06.420 -- So elevating it.
01:54:09.900 -- As the report of the commission, I, I'm not able to get my head around that.
01:54:16.320 -- I think the first time this commission.
01:54:16.320 -- Saw all these comments as a collective.
01:54:20.700 -- Was a few minutes ago.
01:54:22.220 -- And so the notion that it's our report is I just struggle with that with respect.
01:54:26.720 -- And so many of the viewpoints that we saw today.
01:54:26.720 -- You know, are offered without underlying rationale.
01:54:31.580 -- So I.
01:54:34.580 -- My fear is that sharing these comments.
01:54:37.660 -- On this survey report will just disproportionately.
01:54:41.570 -- Raise it in terms of what the commission did.
01:54:41.570 -- And, and I totally respect the approach.
01:54:45.860 -- I mean, if that's where we end up, that's where we end up.
01:54:48.360 -- I will, you know, certainly in some collaboration with Senator Keiser and others.
01:54:56.800 -- Strongly consider a minority report.
01:54:56.800 -- If this is our path.
01:54:56.800 -- And I, and, and I say that constructively, it will just allow.
01:55:00.560 -- For a, a exactly what the legislation originally intended was to allow.
01:55:06.910 -- You know, another point of view.
01:55:10.720 -- So that's my comment.
01:55:10.720 -- Thank you very much.
01:55:16.810 -- Thank you.
01:55:16.810 -- The chair recognizes Lauren Carr.
01:55:16.810 -- Thank you.
01:55:22.460 -- So the point I kind of wish to make was that.
01:55:27.720 -- I, I believe that it does need to be in some form of a report and not a few PowerPoint slides.
01:55:32.280 -- That the final product does need to.
01:55:36.580 -- Be compiled and distributed and transferred to the legislature in a manner that is a more formalized version.
01:55:44.200 -- Of the slides that were shown.
01:55:48.300 -- Absent this I, I want to, I want to.
01:55:51.480 -- Acknowledge that my preferred option was to be, is a yet to identify Greenfield site.
01:55:54.900 -- And, and again, that I, I support this method only because I think that is.
01:56:02.400 -- A P a portion of what is, is recommended through the survey.
01:56:02.400 -- Bottom line.
01:56:07.360 -- If, if we're going to move forward with the survey as the recommendation that it'd be reformatted in such a manners via formal report, rather than PowerPoint.
01:56:19.470 -- Very good.
01:56:19.470 -- I'll come back to that in a moment, Mr.
01:56:21.240 -- Ecclesian chair recognizes you.
01:56:21.240 -- Thank you, Warren.
01:56:21.240 -- I, I support.
01:56:26.360 -- Larry's motion in his attempt to be.
01:56:31.190 -- Efficient.
01:56:31.190 -- You know, there's a word that comes to mind as I look back on the last three and a half years and where we're at today, and that is that we are.
01:56:40.900 -- At a point of ambivalence.
01:56:40.900 -- With regard to discharging our responsibility.
01:56:46.470 -- As well as you know, the fact that it's, it's been very difficult to come up with a single recommendation.
01:56:56.300 -- And I believe the best way to.
01:56:59.040 -- Represent that ambivalence is by sharing.
01:56:59.040 -- The feedback from the member survey.
01:57:04.760 -- So that's my comment.
01:57:04.760 -- Thank you.
01:57:04.760 -- Thank you.
01:57:09.540 -- Are there any additional comments from any commission members voting or non-voting at this time? Yes, sir.
01:57:12.600 -- The chair recognized Representative Dent.
01:57:26.820 -- We go.
01:57:26.820 -- Thank you, Mr.
01:57:26.820 -- Chair.
01:57:26.820 -- I appreciate that.
01:57:26.820 -- And.
01:57:26.820 -- And you know, I have a lot of.
01:57:34.920 -- I have a lot of feelings around what has happened here in the last three years around this.
01:57:39.320 -- And, and I'd like to.
01:57:41.960 -- Reach back a little bit to what Representative Fey said earlier in his comments was if we knew in 2019, what we know today, we would've had different legislation and went about it in a different direction.
01:57:53.040 -- Okay.
01:57:53.040 -- But sometimes we can't go back, but we can learn from what we have done.
01:57:59.300 -- And I think it's important that we do that.
01:57:59.300 -- And, and Representative Fey and I, you know, put together legislation to.
01:58:06.990 -- Restart the CAC, so to speak.
01:58:09.400 -- Because we saw the issues around what had happened.
01:58:09.400 -- We've created.
01:58:14.460 -- Not we as such, but.
01:58:14.460 -- That that was unintentional.
01:58:14.460 -- That is for sure.
01:58:19.300 -- But we have created, you know, a lot of concern and a lot of people's lives.
01:58:24.220 -- And we've turned their lives upside down with fear, whether or not they're gonna have their house.
01:58:26.680 -- Maintain their property.
01:58:30.880 -- Someone said earlier about they bought a house that they planned to live in and, you know, until the rest of their lives and those kinds of things.
01:58:34.280 -- And we have, we have, we have done these things without a lot of thought, as much thought as went into that, that should happen, you know, and that's concerns me that these are things have happened.
01:58:43.700 -- So as which is why.
01:58:48.580 -- You know, I worked with Representative Fey and, and why we worked together to put together to restart this and.
01:58:56.150 -- Very disappointed in, in where we're at at the moment, but I also believe that.
01:59:00.380 -- You know, the, the CAC has.
01:59:00.380 -- Went through a very, very difficult time.
01:59:05.990 -- With, with the pandemic.
01:59:05.990 -- So this is our third in-person meeting.
01:59:12.540 -- You know, in the last three or four years, whatever it's been well, what's wrong with that picture? You know, what is wrong with that picture? Well, because we just, we had something we didn't know was gonna happen to us and it caused us issues.
01:59:23.780 -- And so, you know, I, I have to agree with, with Mr.
01:59:23.780 -- Crowder.
01:59:27.240 -- I think he's has a good idea.
01:59:27.240 -- We need to, we need to.
01:59:32.780 -- To meet our obligations in the, in the bill that we put together.
01:59:36.880 -- In in 2019 and that needs to be done.
01:59:36.880 -- And, and his motion does that.
01:59:40.920 -- It meets those obligations, but do we, we don't need to continue to beat a dead horse to death here because it's, you know, basically it's over and we need to, to, we, we still need to, to restart.
01:59:53.680 -- And, and I think there are, there's hard to do.
01:59:53.680 -- That.
01:59:57.500 -- And we can look forward to the future to, to do that.
01:59:57.500 -- So, you know, that'd being said, I do support her.
02:00:03.680 -- I hope that this committee could support what, what Mr.
02:00:03.680 -- Crowder has put forth.
02:00:08.320 -- I think it's, it has good, good merit and, and stands on, on its, on its merit very well.
02:00:12.840 -- But, but I would like to say, you know, there is been.
02:00:19.780 -- Of all the voting and non-voting members that have been part of the CAC, they have worked hard.
02:00:24.220 -- Worked hard in a difficult environment to make a difference to do what was right.
02:00:28.240 -- And, and I appreciate that and I want to thank each one of them.
02:00:32.320 -- I want to thank Warren here because you know, we, we lost the chair.
02:00:37.030 -- Kind of abruptly here a few months back and Warren was serving as a vice-chair and stepped up in the chairman's role.
02:00:41.800 -- And I appreciate that.
02:00:41.800 -- And I, and I know it hasn't been the.
02:00:45.360 -- The happiest moments of your life.
02:00:45.360 -- Lauren.
02:00:50.240 -- I know that, and I appreciate that.
02:00:50.240 -- So, but you've done, done a good job, but for, for all those and, and the folks from other communities that had some challenges and with what was happening.
02:01:00.520 -- Thank you.
02:01:00.520 -- This is America.
02:01:00.520 -- This is what we do here is, is we step up to the plate and, and we talk about those things and I thank you for that.
02:01:06.360 -- So we we've had a, we had a great bunch of folks.
02:01:10.840 -- I have to tell you that I've.
02:01:15.210 -- Personally, I've worked with Senator Keiser a lot on this legislation.
02:01:15.210 -- When we, when we put it together.
02:01:19.920 -- And, and I thank her for her willingness to, to try to find some.
02:01:24.800 -- Some, some solutions here, but we just got into a point here that it.
02:01:32.860 -- We need a restart.
02:01:32.860 -- And, and I think what Mr.
02:01:32.860 -- Crowder has done here, he is given us an opportunity.
02:01:37.360 -- To, to step out of this and we can work on a restart.
02:01:39.420 -- So thank you, Mr.
02:01:39.420 -- Chair, for your time.
02:01:43.580 -- Thank you.
02:01:43.580 -- Representative Representative Walen.
02:01:43.580 -- Go, go ahead.
02:01:48.500 -- You have the floor.
02:01:48.500 -- Thank you, Mr.
02:01:48.500 -- Chairman.
02:01:51.360 -- I know that at the beginning of the meeting, Mr.
02:01:53.400 -- Edmondson had mentioned that he had a hard stop and I'm not seeing any more.
02:01:58.280 -- Folks with their hands raised.
02:01:58.280 -- So perhaps it, it would be good to call the question, but before you do that, I'm not sure.
02:02:05.240 -- I understand Lauren Carr's recommendations to try to reduce what we've done into a more report format.
02:02:12.380 -- And I don't know if they're is time or the staff resources to do that.
02:02:17.380 -- Is there anyone that can speak to that very quickly? Before you may consider calling the question.
02:02:20.600 -- Yes.
02:02:20.600 -- Yes.
02:02:24.400 -- I can speak to that directly.
02:02:24.400 -- And I wanted to do that too.
02:02:24.400 -- As a follow up.
02:02:28.100 -- The process going forward is yes, it will be a full report.
02:02:31.900 -- Of written nature much as the first two phased reports were that will be done by Waz dot aviation staff.
02:02:36.260 -- The legislature has already put on notice that.
02:02:36.260 -- And, and has been advised, I shouldn't say put on notice, but has been advised that we will not achieve the June 15th deadline, but we will do the best that we can.
02:02:48.580 -- The report will be written in narrative form.
02:02:48.580 -- Not in slide form.
02:02:51.660 -- It will be a full narrative while all the discussions and, and, and whether this survey takes place as an appendix.
02:02:57.430 -- That can be addressed then in the narrative form or, or in another way, it will be done in a very formal.
02:03:02.230 -- Methodology that actually runs through a very significant.
02:03:06.460 -- And strict process within WASDOT.
02:03:09.580 -- So this will meet the full intent of the WASDOT process much as our first reports did.
02:03:13.800 -- In early 20, 22 and in fall of 2022.
02:03:18.420 -- So it will follow that same process.
02:03:20.220 -- So any concerns on that can be alleviated WASDOT aviation staff will take a look at that.
02:03:25.310 -- And even if.
02:03:27.660 -- The report requires additional time beyond the sunset of the CAC.
02:03:31.020 -- The CS works con can be concluded, but Wasdo staff will continue to support the effort through its final conclusion and delivery of the reports to the commission members.
02:03:38.160 -- The public.
02:03:41.340 -- The website and the legislature.
02:03:41.340 -- Thank you, Mr.
02:03:41.340 -- Chairman.
02:03:45.020 -- And with that.
02:03:45.020 -- Understanding.
02:03:45.020 -- I think we, we have achieved the consensus that.
02:03:49.100 -- That the, the survey results would be conveyed in a narrative form written narrative form.
02:03:57.600 -- So I think that would hopefully satisfy Mr.
02:04:01.110 -- Cars concerns and that we can proceed to Aoke on the motion.
02:04:07.260 -- And just to double check that with Mr.
02:04:07.260 -- Carr, does, does that satisfy your concerns? Yes, sir.
02:04:10.150 -- That does satisfy my concerns.
02:04:14.400 -- Thank you.
02:04:14.400 -- Excellent.
02:04:14.400 -- All right, Mr.
02:04:14.400 -- Crowder, before we call for the, for the, for the question and then the final vote, which will conclude the work of this commission.
02:04:22.810 -- There was one nuance with regard to it, with regard to the actual legislation that was pointed out to be by Representative Dent is the motion as it reads right now, is that the move that the cap authorized the chair.
02:04:30.580 -- To deliver the results of the member survey.
02:04:39.720 -- Ultimately the awarding of the legislation is a report to deliver a report.
02:04:39.720 -- So, if you would amend your motion or be willing to consider an amendment to your motion.
02:04:48.190 -- That you authorize the chair to deliver a report to include the results of the member survey.
02:04:54.220 -- As appropriate and as fulfillment of the tax obligation to the legislature, I would ask that you consider that.
02:04:59.560 -- Okay.
02:05:02.640 -- I wanna make sure that the report is.
02:05:06.390 -- Very narrowly tailored to the results of the member survey.
02:05:11.790 -- Because the work will be done as of this day.
02:05:14.620 -- And I think that's the expectation that what was, what has been presented would be reflected in the report.
02:05:21.000 -- It would just be turned into a narrative written format.
02:05:23.440 -- Werven a PowerPoint format.
02:05:23.440 -- That, that, that would be the common understanding, you know, among staff and, and by this chair.
02:05:32.380 -- So, if you would be willing to.
02:05:37.020 -- I'm I'm happy to, oh, for that, that wording.
02:05:37.020 -- And then we can go back to Mr.
02:05:41.880 -- Carr for if he continues to second.
02:05:41.880 -- It.
02:05:41.880 -- Yes, I'm I would offer that and happy to accept that clarifying language into my original motion.
02:05:50.320 -- Mr.
02:05:50.320 -- Chairman.
02:05:50.320 -- Okay, Mr.
02:05:54.520 -- Card does your second continue Mr.
02:05:54.520 -- Chairman? My second does continue.
02:05:54.520 -- Okay, so we have a motion and a second.
02:05:59.100 -- And discussion is complete.
02:06:03.300 -- Absent seeing any additional hands.
02:06:03.300 -- And the question has been called.
02:06:07.420 -- And the motion before us is to move that the CAC authorized the chair.
02:06:12.380 -- To deliver a report, tailored to include the results of the member survey.
02:06:16.580 -- To the appropriate personnel and the legislature as fulfillment of the tax obligations.
02:06:20.430 -- I will now go ahead and call the role.
02:06:25.900 -- By those voting members that are present, please answer.
02:06:30.340 -- In the interest of expediency.
02:06:30.340 -- As I call your name, please answer either.
02:06:34.380 -- I.
02:06:36.580 -- Or nay when I call your name.
02:06:40.120 -- That way we only have to go through the roll once.
02:06:40.120 -- Mr.
02:06:40.120 -- Carr gear first.
02:06:45.020 -- Hi, Mr.
02:06:45.020 -- Emerson.
02:06:45.020 -- Nay Mr.
02:06:51.540 -- AIAN.
02:06:51.540 -- Aye Mr.
02:06:51.540 -- Gauss.
02:06:57.660 -- Hi, Ms.
02:06:57.660 -- Good pastor.
02:06:57.660 -- Yes.
02:07:04.220 -- Hi.
02:07:04.220 -- Ms.
02:07:04.220 -- Jan, wait, wait.
02:07:04.220 -- Hi, Mr.
02:07:10.420 -- Johnson.
02:07:10.420 -- Right Mr.
02:07:10.420 -- Jones.
02:07:15.580 -- Hi.
02:07:15.580 -- Mr Crowder.
02:07:15.580 -- Hi.
02:07:15.580 -- I Mr.
02:07:20.900 -- Kunkle.
02:07:20.900 -- Aye.
02:07:20.900 -- Mr.
02:07:20.900 -- Kuns.
02:07:20.900 -- Aye Mr.
02:07:27.460 -- Aden.
02:07:35.900 -- We may have lost Mr.
02:07:35.900 -- Aiden.
02:07:35.900 -- He's not present.
02:07:35.900 -- Okay.
02:07:40.310 -- That does not change the quorum.
02:07:40.310 -- We still have 11 voting members.
02:07:46.140 -- The final tally to vote is 10 ayes.
02:07:46.140 -- One nay.
02:07:46.140 -- The motion carries.
02:07:51.370 -- Thank you for your work on that motion and deliberations.
02:07:55.220 -- If we could advance the slide deck to the last slide, please for concluding remarks.
02:07:57.880 -- Warren.
02:07:57.880 -- This is Robin Toth.
02:08:02.860 -- My name wasn't called.
02:08:02.860 -- Oh, I'm sorry.
02:08:07.160 -- I may have missed one voting member.
02:08:07.160 -- Thank you for that clarification, Ms.
02:08:07.160 -- Toth.
02:08:12.380 -- Aye.
02:08:18.890 -- Sorry, Ms.
02:08:18.890 -- To I see that you're muted.
02:08:18.890 -- Can we try again your vote? Hi.
02:08:24.470 -- Vote.
02:08:24.470 -- Excellent.
02:08:24.470 -- Thank you.
02:08:24.470 -- Does not change the results.
02:08:24.470 -- Thank you for that.
02:08:28.230 -- Just to clarify one more time.
02:08:28.230 -- The motion does carry.
02:08:31.520 -- With only a single nay vote and.
02:08:35.280 -- I applaud the commission members for their consideration, their motion and their discussion and action on this item.
02:08:43.990 -- This has been a tremendous effort.
02:08:46.880 -- I just want to conclude with just a few remarks to the commissioner members.
02:08:50.960 -- I have been proud to serve as a member of this organization.
02:08:54.620 -- And especially proud to serve alongside each of you.
02:08:58.440 -- I believe we have taken this position very seriously.
02:09:02.110 -- That we have initiated a good conversation.
02:09:05.000 -- I am deeply thankful for WASDOT aviation staff support.
02:09:08.700 -- The P R R consultant team.
02:09:08.700 -- And for Kimley horn in the research analysis, they provided us.
02:09:15.240 -- I also want to thank the legislature in a spec spec, specifically Representative Fey and Representative Stan for their continuing work on this subject.
02:09:24.900 -- And for the entire legislature for initiating this conversation.
02:09:28.710 -- Over four years ago, we do not know what the format will be or what the end results will be.
02:09:36.300 -- But certainly with public comment.
02:09:38.510 -- With the involvement and the direction from our elected leadership.
02:09:43.650 -- Ultimately the right conclusion will always be reached.
02:09:46.900 -- The next steps going forward at this point will be that.
02:09:51.300 -- All everything that took place today will also become a matter of public record.
02:09:56.220 -- It will be available for all to see and will also go to our successful organization.
02:10:00.960 -- The commercial aviation work group.
02:10:03.940 -- The next steps will be for Wazo aviation staff to take the result of the motion today and to craft a narrative report.
02:10:10.710 -- Seek its final approval within WASDOT staff headquarters and then ultimately submitted to the legislature for their review and awareness.
02:10:22.180 -- At this time then.
02:10:22.180 -- The, as a reminder, the cat will sunset.
02:10:27.320 -- Formally on the evening of June 30th, the new commercial aviation work group will stand up on July 23rd.
02:10:35.420 -- The work of this commission is complete.
02:10:35.420 -- This meeting is adjourned.
02:10:35.420 -- Thank you.
02:10:40.420 -- No.
02:10:40.420 -- Great.
02:10:40.420 -- Wait, wait, Senator Billig I had, and Senator Keiser for final remarks, please do please.
02:10:43.140 -- Yes.
02:10:43.140 -- Cause Warren, first of all, I must thank you for first of all, the stepping up to the, this very painful position of chair of the CAC and being a active.
02:10:56.670 -- Participant of the whole process.
02:10:56.670 -- So thanks you from the bottom of my heart.
02:11:00.840 -- I also wanna thank all of the other commission members who have been so.
02:11:06.820 -- Sta staunch in working on the solutions and the, and the questions that we had to address.
02:11:10.140 -- We have, we have addressed a lot of questions.
02:11:13.660 -- Obviously.
02:11:13.660 -- I am disappointed in the final.
02:11:18.390 -- Outcome here.
02:11:18.390 -- I understand.
02:11:18.390 -- This is never over until it's over, but I wanted to thank all of you because this is an important.
02:11:28.550 -- Essential effort for the future.
02:11:31.860 -- For commercial aviation and our regional economy.
02:11:36.770 -- Thank you Senator Keiser.
02:11:38.020 -- And it would be remiss of me not to ask if other commission members also wish to make any final comments as this is our final meeting.
02:11:45.020 -- So I will offer open up the floor to that, and then we will have a formal motion.
02:11:47.540 -- To adjourn our, our work, any other commissioner members that wish to make a statement, please Indi indicate.
02:11:54.200 -- So by raising your hand, seeing seeing none.
02:12:04.800 -- I will entertain now a motion from the floor with regard to adjourning the work of this commission.
02:12:09.080 -- And then a second and a vote.
02:12:12.700 -- Mr chairman and I move to adjourn the meeting.
02:12:12.700 -- Thank you, Mr.
02:12:12.700 -- Crowder, it's been moved.
02:12:17.280 -- Is there a second to adjourn this meeting? The second comes from voting member.
02:12:22.820 -- Eric Johnson has been mutton second.
02:12:26.300 -- Is there any further discussion before the commission? Seeing none then as a voice vote.
02:12:31.780 -- All in favor of adjourning, the work of the commission, please signify.
02:12:35.200 -- So by saying, aye.
02:12:35.200 -- Aye.
02:12:35.200 -- Aye.
02:12:35.200 -- Aye.
02:12:41.380 -- The motion carries.
02:12:41.380 -- We are adjourned.
02:12:41.380 -- Thank you.
02:12:44.280 -- Everyone for your attention to participation today.