Burien Airport Committee: Doing.
Burien Airport Committee: Come to order. This is the January 21, st 2025, meeting the Durian Airport Committee. Nathan, would you call the role, please. Yeah. Chair Moore, present vice chair, Davis. Here, Deanna Carmichael, present Erin Gloria here also, not city manager and city attorney. New are with us as well. Let's start with approval of the minutes for our December 17th of 2024 do I have motion?
Burien Airport Committee: I move to approve the minutes of December 17.th We have a motion, we have a second second second. Is there any discussion?
Burien Airport Committee: Hearing no discussion, all in favor, say aye, or raise your hand by signifying motion carries for nothing.
Burien Airport Committee: and on we go to the business agenda.
Burien Airport Committee: Sam update. There is nothing really concrete at this point
Burien Airport Committee: to to report. There are a number of conversations occurring at many different levels amongst many different people, but at this point everything is still kind of coalescing.
Burien Airport Committee: I think it's safe to say that. You know, we're we're taking a look at what might be required should the city decide. It's prudent to depending on the Faa's ruling on the Nepa piece of this which went
Burien Airport Committee: to the public comment that closed in December. Should the city decide that it is prudent to make an appeal of whatever the Faa rules. We're looking at our options there, some other things happening. But again, a lot of conversations, but nothing very concrete. And you know sometimes.
Burien Airport Committee: what did former President Biden say? It takes as long as it takes. So that's kind of where we stand. I was gonna ask if there was any kind of rough timeline.
Burien Airport Committee: like comments have closed. And then
Burien Airport Committee: there was, a mention at the last start meeting in December that the Faa may issue its ruling in the 1st quarter
Burien Airport Committee: of 2025
Burien Airport Committee: for those who are unhappy with the Faa's decision that will open up a 60 day appeals window. That appeal would go through the 9th Us. Circuit Court of Appeals. But it is not a litigation, it is just as I understand it. It is a it's an administrative process. So anything anything that the 9th circuit would look at is already in the record.
Burien Airport Committee: and you know so. But then so there's a 60 day window and then just depending on how the 9th circuit receives any appeals. Then, you know, then, you know, it's either over or you know we go further in the process which could take some months
Burien Airport Committee: to resolve. Thank you.
Burien Airport Committee: Any other questions on that? Or shall we move on to legislative updates and reports.
Burien Airport Committee: And again not much. Here. I I mentioned last month that Senator or wall had been asking for some input with the plan to introduce some kind of mitigation bill regarding the operations over Seatac International and I have not heard anything from the Senator or staff on that lately.
Burien Airport Committee: they're also it hit my radar screen last weekend. There is a bill currently. In fact, it goes Thursday to the House Energy and Environment Committee House Bill 13, 0, 3, which is designed to require a
Burien Airport Committee: an environmental justice assessment and an environmental justice statement for any project that occurs within what the State of Washington considers to be a an environmentally
Burien Airport Committee: compromised
Burien Airport Committee: municipality or zone. is there a ton of them. Mena is the mena is the primary sponsor, but there are like 9 9 sponsors that are listed
Burien Airport Committee: on its face, very appealing concept.
Burien Airport Committee: I think that the parts of it would work well for the city of Burien, because we are in one of those compromised zones the Department of ecology considers South King County to be one as as a whole group. However.
Burien Airport Committee: in taking a closer look at that legislation, I think that there are some unintended consequences that make it impossible for me personally to support that bill right now there, and when I talk about unintended consequences it could do damage
Burien Airport Committee: to economic development efforts in places like Burien Park or Brother Boulevard Park, and and so, unless that bill is revised to some significant degree. I just don't know that it makes sense to get behind it at this point. So that's
Burien Airport Committee: that's where that is. And I was. I was actually ready to say, Hey, let's you know, let's get after. And then I started looking into a little bit more, and I I just don't think it would be wise.
Burien Airport Committee: Well, it goes. First.st Hearing is on Thursday morning at 8 Am. In the House Energy Committee.
Burien Airport Committee: So that's where that is. Anybody else hearing anything.
Burien Airport Committee: Yes, but I'm not prepared enough to say it yet.
Burien Airport Committee: Take your time. Be here. I would just share my initial impression. When I saw it. You know I I
Burien Airport Committee: had the same immediate impression of I want, I want economic justice. I want environmental justice. And then and then sort of my second layer of thoughts was
Burien Airport Committee: a lot of the environmental injustice, and and was followed by economic injustice rather than starting. So when when Seatac Airport was built, if you had done a study.
Burien Airport Committee: Everything was fine, and they put in an airport, and then the economic and environmental injustice followed
Burien Airport Committee: rather than proceeding it. And so
Burien Airport Committee: that that was kind of the takeaway I had was you could do the study and
Burien Airport Committee: be like, there's, you know, this is a good.
Burien Airport Committee: This is a good good community because there's no impact now and then the impact is coming.
Burien Airport Committee: Get it as soon as you put in the airport. I I just
Burien Airport Committee: think we need to look at airports and say, Why why do they cause so much impact? And what can we do about that?
Burien Airport Committee: And the phrase I was looking for, by the way, was pollution burden community. That's the that's the phrase that the Department of Ecology uses
Burien Airport Committee: so. And there are 16 of those communities in the State of Washington, and and the the communities that make up South King County are one of those 16
Burien Airport Committee: to it. Would it would add new sections to these to Sepa, which is the State Environment Protection Act.
Burien Airport Committee: So that's where it would fall as part of the regulation.
Burien Airport Committee: What you you pollution, what pollution burdened burdened communities.
Burien Airport Committee: I sent you a copy of that bill.
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah, I really want to look at it.
Burien Airport Committee: I'm interested in hearing other people's comments as well
Burien Airport Committee: sent it to you. So this isn't anything immediate but I was listening to a story about
Burien Airport Committee: transportation and the responsibility that the
Burien Airport Committee: I don't know if it's
Burien Airport Committee: wash dot but has with mitigating culverts, as they relate to treaties by 2030. And it's costing billions of dollars. And
Burien Airport Committee: so the governor, the new governor is basically being more centrist in his funding
Burien Airport Committee: thoughts. And I just I guess the way I was thinking about it for us. I really really liked the idea. Last quarter where we were talking about
Burien Airport Committee: we've done our bit with the Fba. But what about talking to the Governor's office, about coordinating all of these different. You know the truck route 5 0. 9, and
Burien Airport Committee: and the traffic on over the holidays. I don't know how many of you went by the airport, and it's just backed up
Burien Airport Committee: on to
Burien Airport Committee: yeah, I mean, badly backed up. And just this. So in addition to the actual pollution, there's like
Burien Airport Committee: safety hazards of people in a stopped car with people whipping by 70 miles an hour. And I'm
Burien Airport Committee: I'm I'm really liking the idea of
Burien Airport Committee: having the State. Look at this master transportation plan. But I, in wondering what the Governor's
Burien Airport Committee: thoughts are on funding plans given state of the salmon culprits.
Burien Airport Committee: We don't know.
Burien Airport Committee: Let me just share some thoughts.
Burien Airport Committee: I've been now in Washington for 2 and a half years, and when I arrived.
Burien Airport Committee: thing that I heard the most was equity, equity, equity, equity.
Burien Airport Committee: and in dealing on issues related to furion.
Burien Airport Committee: I see that there is no equity in dealing on issues that affect period, it is said aloud, but it is not actually practiced.
Burien Airport Committee: and in the issue of equity, as it relates to the airport and the if there is one the environmental justice issue that
Burien Airport Committee: affects us in Des Moines and other neighboring cities.
Burien Airport Committee: Cities like Burien and Des Moines, Normandy Park, and others, should be receiving more benefit
Burien Airport Committee: from being in close proximity, from the airport, more funding for roadways, more funding, for, you know, whatever it is, economic development, anything to essentially take away from the negatives of the airport affecting us so directly.
Burien Airport Committee: But we don't see that what we see is the vehicles parked along the highway. The increased emissions, because of the increased traffic.
Burien Airport Committee: we don't see the benefit that we constantly hear of communities saying you should get the benefit because you're so close to the airport. Just don't.
Burien Airport Committee: So if if whatever for whatever it's worth, if the committee would like to
Burien Airport Committee: consider it this way, it could be an equity issue. But it's the equity of what are we getting? What is Des Moines getting?
Burien Airport Committee: What is tequila and see tech getting? We know what Seatac is getting. They're getting almost 2 million dollars directly from the airport.
Burien Airport Committee: What are we getting? What is the one getting? Where is our equity?
Burien Airport Committee: We don't even see the equality because of our proximity. We don't have the hotels. We don't have that business that the travelers bring in, but we get all the we're under the flight path. I think we're talking 2 sides of the same coin. What what do we get? And my question is.
Burien Airport Committee: who's got our back in terms of the master plan like who it? I do see that as a state responsibility.
Burien Airport Committee: I, yeah. And I I think the answer is, no one.
Burien Airport Committee: It's at our expense.
Burien Airport Committee: but I think bringing it to the attention of the Governor's office, knowing it's a new governor, I I really like that idea. And so, talking about the arguments that you're talking about, but also like.
Burien Airport Committee: who's got our back? Who's coordinating all of this on behalf of the citizens of the State.
Burien Airport Committee: Thank you.
Burien Airport Committee: Anything else on this.
Burien Airport Committee: This is not directly a legislative issue, but
Burien Airport Committee: we have. And I think everybody should have received this because it came into the Airport Committee mailbox and they distributed to us. But we received an email last week from Crazy Buxton, Mayor of Des Moines. They are in the process vibing their Airport Committee, and they're going to consider this at a study session on February 6.th Mayor Buxton has asked for us
Burien Airport Committee: to provide her with slots, suggestions, insights about how things work here. If we were to advise
Burien Airport Committee: them on how to go about things, what would we suggest? I would very much like to participate in that study session on February 6, th but quite frankly, I would rather see somebody else from this committee make that presentation
Burien Airport Committee: this isn't something that she asked some very specific questions. This isn't something that we need to discuss here at this table tonight. We have until February 6th I will be gone on next week, and I will be completely out of contact from Friday until February. The 1st so.
Burien Airport Committee: But but those early days of February, if if anybody wanted to kind of sit down and have a chat offline you know, then we could figure out who goes and what gets said.
Burien Airport Committee: If I remember correctly, she also preferred not to have a council member. Yes, so not to put anybody else. What else can we check off here? Looking at my calendar? It's 6 pm. Right
Burien Airport Committee: council meeting begins at 6 council meetings. Do begin at 6. Thank you. Councilmember. Thursday. Yes.
Burien Airport Committee: there's 2 options. January 23, rd
Burien Airport Committee: which is, that's that's-. That's tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Yeah. February 6th Thursday is it.
Burien Airport Committee: So the semester ends on January 30.th My world is upside down until that happens.
Burien Airport Committee: but after that time I'd be willing to.
Burien Airport Committee: You can tag team.
Burien Airport Committee: They want one person or 2. They want, one person to offer a 5 min presentation or you get 15. But then there have to be 4 of you, and that would be a quorum for us. And that's a problem with the open meetings. Act. So. Yeah, you want to do it. No, I'm just. I'm she. They don't want her and he's gone.
Burien Airport Committee: It's you and me, but I don't, can we? You know, in my family we have an expression. Who's doing whom the favor we're doing them the favor. I'm not interested in doing this alone. I bet you aren't, either. But
Burien Airport Committee: the 2 of us could do a 5 min and answer questions. Casual
Burien Airport Committee: chair Moore, you and I could email
Burien Airport Committee: these 2 our thoughts. And they could. They could synthesize that, and then and then deliver the presentation.
Burien Airport Committee: and we could meet before then. And you know, just do this and everything. It's not going to take long. If they only want 5.
Burien Airport Committee: And I think optics, it's really good tag team.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, thank you both. Thank you both for that.
Burien Airport Committee: then on to stack 4 J.
Burien Airport Committee: yes, which I do not remember what the letters stand for. Justice. Yeah. So we we met with
Burien Airport Committee: with Sophia Aragon, and with several other members of Stack 4 J. Who, are. This is the same meeting, right? That that we're representing really pretty pretty extensive communities of people that are
Burien Airport Committee: looking. They're they're the the no added harm and the
Burien Airport Committee: I'm sorry. It's been a very long day, the the do no harm. People, and really wanted to look at
Burien Airport Committee: what their relationship could be with a city airport committee. And they're they're very much Coalition community Coalition Builders. So they were trying to figure out.
Burien Airport Committee: is there a way that a community coalition fits with the City Commission? Are? Are we too, formally structured? Can there be some kind of
Burien Airport Committee: loose relationships where we're in touch with each other, but not necessarily planning together. But they're definitely looking at
Burien Airport Committee: expanding their set of connections.
Burien Airport Committee: And
Burien Airport Committee: we're we're getting to know us as a possible
Burien Airport Committee: partner of some kind. I don't. I think. Tbd, what that would look like.
Burien Airport Committee: Yes.
Burien Airport Committee: Is that is that so? I, when I got to know them a little bit through
Burien Airport Committee: just informally. I also
Burien Airport Committee: felt like, Oh, this is fantastic! And but then I was reminded of our mandate, which is
Burien Airport Committee: recommending making recommendations to council
Burien Airport Committee: as opposed to engaging with the community, like so many of the other groups, do so, my wondering would be
Burien Airport Committee: how to interface
Burien Airport Committee: when we basically report to the Council, I guess. And there are grassroots, I guess, though.
Burien Airport Committee: is there any reason that we can't hear grassroots opinions.
Burien Airport Committee: informing recommendations to council, I mean, would that be stronger if it would? But I guess a lot of their that's great and coming and presenting but
Burien Airport Committee: a lot of their work is
Burien Airport Committee: working in the communities, and I think they're looking for partners to help spread the work so
Burien Airport Committee: they could come and present, and then
Burien Airport Committee: I just got caught in the in the gerbil wheel of how do we?
Burien Airport Committee: How do we help them?
Burien Airport Committee: And I guess that's that's the point of the meeting. Right? You're trying to figure out how we can all work together. And and I think they had some of the same concerns from from the other side, which is.
Burien Airport Committee: you know, how- how do you be? A grassroots thing that also coordinates with the city? That you know the whole point of grassroots is to but think that what they can do is
Burien Airport Committee: give us a a larger set of community input that's maybe saying giving priorities, experiences. Yeah.
Burien Airport Committee: sense of community direction that we, we may be missing parts
Burien Airport Committee: there. There is one other thing that just occurs to me.
Burien Airport Committee: you know, one of the things that we have noted here since I came on the committee was the absence of.
Burien Airport Committee: you know, kind of this critical mass in the community where, you know there. There doesn't seem to be a group of people who will show up at a Port Commission meeting, and you know, and and and rally around and and show up and and show the numbers to show the port that there are a lot of people that are concerned about this, that or the other issue. And
Burien Airport Committee: you know, that's their world, you know, and and and how how
Burien Airport Committee: I I don't think we could directly leverage that as the Airport Committee, but but
Burien Airport Committee: I think that being tapped into that universe could be a real.
Burien Airport Committee: a real benefit at the right time under the right circumstances.
Burien Airport Committee: I I love the idea of them coming, but I think we're gonna have to press our imagination to think outside the box of how to stay within our mandate and and not
Burien Airport Committee: make them keep giving more presentations, I guess, like how to help them or invite one of them to apply for the Airport committee.
Burien Airport Committee: right?
Burien Airport Committee: If we have any. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I I think a committee that had a leader of a grassroots community would be stronger, right? And and actually, like we had
Burien Airport Committee: the nice gal Holly, you know, she brought a a area of expertise that was particular to bury and planning and zoning.
Burien Airport Committee: No, I'm just saying we had somebody who had
Burien Airport Committee: a an area of expertise, and it was. It enhanced our conversation. So I'm agree with you.
Burien Airport Committee: Anything else on that.
Burien Airport Committee: What do we want to invite them.
Burien Airport Committee: I think. Are you just telling us that it would be nice to invite them sometime? Well, we just we? We just have had this initial conversation. I think it's important to be aware of them. I think it's important to, because
Burien Airport Committee: we're we're not just a group of people sitting in the room complaining about the airport. We're a group of people
Burien Airport Committee: who are
Burien Airport Committee: tasked with understanding the impacts that the community experiences from the airport. And they are a group of people experiencing those impacts and cut.
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah, I think the more people we have it, I think that's the point we, the more people we have with this whole.
Burien Airport Committee: you know, complaining about this
Burien Airport Committee: at different points of the area, or different, you know sides of the issue as as long as we have more people that would make us all stronger.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, I'm confused.
Burien Airport Committee: So we know that they exist right
Burien Airport Committee: already. Are we thinking? Encourage them informally as individuals to apply, or should we? Why shouldn't we invite them to
Burien Airport Committee: present? What would they present on?
Burien Airport Committee: Well, this is the gerbil I was talking about right?
Burien Airport Committee: I don't know they're and it would. And would we be a little bit of
Burien Airport Committee: personally? See if anybody is interested
Burien Airport Committee: in those positions in in a position in our committee. I think that would be great. I think. That's a couple of emails
Burien Airport Committee: I could do. Could you do that? That would be great. That would be great.
Burien Airport Committee: I'm not sure how the group is made up, but there's also no reason that as long as it's under a quorum that members of the committee can
Burien Airport Committee: continue to go to their meetings or meet with them as well, especially if we get back to 7 or or go to their community events, or what it is they're doing. So. Thank you.
Burien Airport Committee: Good point, Nate.
Burien Airport Committee: Cool anything else. There.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, thank you. On we go start report. And specifically start day at the Capitol. Start. The Start Committee has not met
Burien Airport Committee: since it was the day. Okay? So none of us had had a chance to look at.
Burien Airport Committee: Start Committee Day at the Capitol on February 12.th
Burien Airport Committee: city manager has asked us for input on revisions, thoughts on this document.
Burien Airport Committee: I have a few, but if anybody else has has any thoughts.
Burien Airport Committee: I would be more than happy to entertain them.
Burien Airport Committee: People protect me.
Burien Airport Committee: if I may then begin the preamble, reads, it picks up the we're on Start day. Yeah.
Burien Airport Committee: the preamble reads in participation.
Burien Airport Committee: I'm actually reading on this document here. It's a paper document, and I'm not sure you have it
Burien Airport Committee: online. Do you know, I don't know. Did you send that agenda, Alex? I don't know if I couldn't sound familiar. Okay.
Burien Airport Committee: I don't. I? Honestly, I can't remember where I got it. I don't think I've seen it. Oh, okay.
Burien Airport Committee: right. Well, then, bear with me on this. Then. Okay, because we got we've still got to get through some some meat on the composition of the committee. We've got half an hour left.
Burien Airport Committee: The preamble reads in part the port of Seattle and near airport communities, and I believe that kind of umbrella thing is misleading in that the municipalities do not share all of the goals that are delineated in this document, notably the agenda is silent, for instance, is compensating cities and the residents for lost property, tax revenues and and property values.
Burien Airport Committee: and you know that that opens the door to perhaps legislation to amend the State law that that incorporates the port of Seattle to allow the port to make direct compensation to these communities for such things. I'm just throwing out that throwing that out as an idea. But but again I I think
Burien Airport Committee: to present this as
Burien Airport Committee: a universally agreed upon document is incorrect. Item number one effectively implement, the noise, insulation, repair and replacement program. Particularly, I think this needs to spell out
Burien Airport Committee: the restoration of the funding that was stripped out of Senate Bill 5,955 last year, when we were under the threat of initiative 2117. Now that that has been killed and the Climate Commitment Act remains intact, I think that whatever it was 9 million dollars those funds need to be restored, and
Burien Airport Committee: my 2 cents. We need to specify the inclusion of all properties that were previously out with, outfitted with port packages and not just properties that are currently inside the 65. Dnl.
Burien Airport Committee: so that's 1
Burien Airport Committee: to make tangible, can I? Can? I interrupt? I'm I'm having a really hard time following without a visual. And and I, it's it's great that you've read that, and that you have some. Really, I agree with all the feedback that you're giving. But
Burien Airport Committee: what is the action item associated with what you're doing? Are you just asking us to
Burien Airport Committee: listen to your comments? Or are we wanting to offer an official
Burien Airport Committee: city manager asked for feedback on the document.
Burien Airport Committee: So so I don't again. I don't know where I got mine. I thought it was attached to his email to us because he wrote to all of us some weeks ago, city manager, is that time sensitive?
Burien Airport Committee: Because I'm not prepared to give feedback right now. I'm looking for the message. Now
Burien Airport Committee: I see that it arrived to me from
Burien Airport Committee: the group. Uncommon bridges that facilitates
Burien Airport Committee: start meeting, but I'm looking forward
Burien Airport Committee: where I may have forwarded the message and see it.
Burien Airport Committee: And in their initial email, the event date is February 12.th But they didn't include
Burien Airport Committee: in the message I have. They didn't include a start. And it's all day, 8 to 5.
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah, you did not attach this. So, guys, I have no idea where I got this somewhere somewhere along the line, somewhere along the line. I found it and saved it, you know, when you got no other life. Sometimes this is what happens. You want a possession of documents. That's something like that.
Burien Airport Committee: Well.
Burien Airport Committee: I love everything you're saying. I will send it. But let me finish this. Okay, so I get it on the record, because we will not meet again before February 12.th
Burien Airport Committee: Oh.
Burien Airport Committee: oh, okay, that's the problem here. So so and what and and what you are free to do when we locate for everybody a copy of this. You are free to send Adolfo your comments on that. And and in fact, you know, I I suppose I could save a little bit of time
Burien Airport Committee: by by saying, All right, I'll stop here and just email my comments to the city manager. So we could really take our time there. There are. There are 2 more things, okay, that that just I think are very important that we need to keep hammering on. But what this number 2 is make tangible progress toward identifying additional regional airport capacity in the next 3 years.
Burien Airport Committee: That is important. But it's not our highest priority, because it's going to be decades before the new airport gets built and our communities have immediate needs for assistance, and have had for decades
Burien Airport Committee: number 3 sustain existing state programs to enhance air quality. I don't think this goes far enough. I think that that
Burien Airport Committee: it would be great to see, start, specify funding for the purchase, installation and operation of air quality monitoring equipment. Not just programs.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, that that is a big one to me.
Burien Airport Committee: so, and and those the 4 and 5 are, kinda
Burien Airport Committee: I think. My! Oh, there you go!
Burien Airport Committee: There you go!
Burien Airport Committee: Pardon me chair. So your issue is that this is being billed as shared policy. And you're saying I'm saying not not so much.
Burien Airport Committee: Oh, my God!
Burien Airport Committee: Number! Is everybody done through. Let me know when we're ready to move to 4 and 5.
Burien Airport Committee: No, would you? When when you, when you scroll to 4 and 5, please. Would you scroll if it's not
Burien Airport Committee: to maintain and expand sustainable aviation, fuel production and use in Washington again? That's unrealistic for our purposes? Widespread use of sustainable aviation fuel. That's a great goal that's also decades away. And I am, you know, when I 1st came on this committee
Burien Airport Committee: I said my goal was to find ways to provide tangible benefits to our city and our residents, and this one does not.
Burien Airport Committee: and number 5, which is to decarbonize ground transportation, reduce emissions and electrification as above, laudable goals that do nothing to remedy remedy the decades, old issues that have been affecting our communities. To me the key question is how much of this agenda came from the municipalities as opposed to what we have found is the usual top down path.
Burien Airport Committee: You know, from the people who set the start agenda developed by the port of, say, Seattle and handed down. So those are my thoughts.
Burien Airport Committee: So the timeline is.
Burien Airport Committee: I have feedback. But if we don't need to talk about it here just on this particularly number 4, number 5.
Burien Airport Committee: But do we write it to you, do we, Daisy? Chain it you? No, because that gets into public meetings problems. But
Burien Airport Committee: But also you would be the one to. You'd be the repository for this. Sure, I can collect. Yeah, I'll share with the team and and and maybe copy you guys, because if we're just copying you, it's not a. It's not a public meetings problem, you know. So is that good Jeff? Do you have that?
Burien Airport Committee: I must have it? I mean, you're on the start, right? And I think I just, I said to Adolfo. I think I just confused it with the Federal.
Burien Airport Committee: which I've seen so many times. I didn't want to read it. I thought you when you said I must have that. It was like I must have that. I must have that, as in what every well-dressed man is wearing. I must have that. I've never been accused of that.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, so so anything else on this. Or you guys good to do, you have a
Burien Airport Committee: date by which you want feedback.
Burien Airport Committee: which is as quickly as possible. These types of documents, especially the one on the screen. Now
Burien Airport Committee: can be amended
Burien Airport Committee: pretty much at any time. We just have to bring it to the to the representatives start, but the sooner the better, because the sessions already ongoing, and I think we heard something like 800 bills were introduced in the 1st week, so the longer we wait to do anything on this, the harder it will be to gain traction. Okay, shall we move on
Burien Airport Committee: our last item before public comment? If there is any of that Airport committee composition, Mr. Hawthorne.
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah. So you'll recall last meeting we well, before I start just let me throw in a reminder to all the committee members except for the mayor to renew your application for the next round of the Airport Committee.
Burien Airport Committee: under the clerk's process.
Burien Airport Committee: reapply and, like we mentioned earlier, there is one spot that can be billed. Replace Poly at this point, and then pending what the community chooses. Tonight there could potentially be 2 additional spots or
Burien Airport Committee: yes, okay, she sent out a link that we
Burien Airport Committee: can just fill out. I did. And I can send it all right.
Burien Airport Committee: So so basically, what we have is, it would just be a new resolution essentially
Burien Airport Committee: the same as what previously existed. Just a cleaned up version and bringing the number of community members back up from
Burien Airport Committee: I guess it would have been 4 up to 6
Burien Airport Committee: with the option to have one council member. But up to 3 at the Council's discretion. If they choose to elect, or or more than one
Burien Airport Committee: wishes to be on the committee.
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah, go ahead is that in the
Burien Airport Committee: addition to the extra citizens so the way we had it previously written, and it's down here. It was phrased this way, and this was, I think, what the last iteration of the committee did
Burien Airport Committee: cause they they wish to keep a council member if they could, or or maybe the council members at the time that were on the committee thought it would, was still a good plan.
Burien Airport Committee: but we wrote it this way, so there was only the need to maybe have one, and not a mandatory 3, which was the prior way. It was written.
Burien Airport Committee: so we have the deputy mayor in this case, and then we have a maximum of 6 other members which would be community residents or business owners.
Burien Airport Committee: That can be on the committee. So if we only have one council member, you know, it would make the the committee total 7. If 3 chose to be on it. Committee total would be 9. So your quorum could fluctuate a little
Burien Airport Committee: but only really only if there's
Burien Airport Committee: as we saw with holly a resignation or unavailability, and then,
Burien Airport Committee: or the Council chooses to add more council members or appoint more council.
Burien Airport Committee: I have an opinion on this. I would read it what your Council member
Burien Airport Committee: in in my experience. As I was taking a look at this committee before I came on, and then the early time after I was appointed I felt that it was very with 3 councilors, and at that time we had 2 council members standing for election. It was tough for us to get a quorum, and I don't think we can afford that. You know, when, if other issues come up, for instance, the homelessness issue that was that was so consumptive there for a period.
Burien Airport Committee: I believe, to have a council member, and as the chair. But then 6 citizen members who are engaged in the airport and the airport. Only, I think, with 3 council members you wind up with the potential for distractions that can really damage the ability of this community to operate. Dana. My question, though.
Burien Airport Committee: is
Burien Airport Committee: I? This is what I meant before. If it's in addition to then I would just not want quorum to be impacted by that.
Burien Airport Committee: If there's
Burien Airport Committee: one council member, that's fine, if there's 2, that's fine, but it's the citizens taking up the form. Well, the way this reads is, there's there's we're capped at 7, 3 of whom can be council members. Oh, yeah, no, I don't know. I don't.
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah
Burien Airport Committee: kind of like when Garmin comes or you come, you know it- it adds, but if you're not here we still can have quorum. I was thinking that it would be like that.
Burien Airport Committee: and and that, I believe, is how at least some of the other committees work.
Burien Airport Committee: deputy Mayor, you may know better, but I think some of them have ex officio council members
Burien Airport Committee: economic development, but they don't vote, and they they don't count against the quorum.
Burien Airport Committee: And and selfishly, you know, in the in the not quite 2 years that we've been involved. I I've it's got to the point. I mean, it's great because we're we're getting stuff done. We're we're moving in the right direction. But I'm at my Max.
Burien Airport Committee: you know, and and and and so if we can get more people in here who are engaged and able to, you know. For instance, hearing pops up in Olympia at 8 Am. On Thursday. Can somebody can somebody jump in the car and run, and somebody get online and and and testify remotely, or at least write testimony to put into the record. You know, we need a couple more people like that, and you know, and and
Burien Airport Committee: you know.
Burien Airport Committee: Danny, your you know your obligations, and Deputy Mary, your obligations with counsel, and you got a job. And, Karen, you're still working. I mean, we need. We need some more people who can jump.
Burien Airport Committee: I'm curious.
Burien Airport Committee: I I think I know the answer, but is, is the council presence? Is that
Burien Airport Committee: basically a legacy issue where
Burien Airport Committee: there used to? There used to be 3 people who wanted to serve in council.
Burien Airport Committee: I mean, I cannot imagine if we opened it up to 3, and we had to draw lots, and I can't imagine
Burien Airport Committee: Jeff is a former member of the airport. As your historian. I can tell you that I believe what happened was when everybody got excited about the airport issues and thought we might do more than we were able to do, and the lawsuit got filed. Council members were more interested in being on the committee than they are now, and I don't know if we had 2 or 3, but it was too many.
Burien Airport Committee: because they they were too busy on other stuff. And I certainly agree with Brian. It needs people who can commit some time to this very complex topic
Burien Airport Committee: being part of this group, but I am not willing to risk my marriage for them.
Burien Airport Committee: I really value being in this group. But I I mean, maybe there should be a conversation when I'm not in the room about whether you want the Council.
Burien Airport Committee: I will say this publicly. You add value, I think, one council member with their hand in it is Great 100, and I will tell you. You understand how to navigate that process, and whether it's you or whether it's somebody else absolutely. And that has been that has been invaluable.
Burien Airport Committee: So, yeah, yeah. Now you have that touch with the council, can we? Make a a change? I wouldn't want to exclude any council member who want to show up. But
Burien Airport Committee: well, if it's if it's helpful to share one of the the items that I think, when well, one of the practices that Council adopted last year very unofficial. It wasn't like an official. There was a vote.
Burien Airport Committee: but there was a like a rotating schedule where council members were able to say, to avoid a quorum. You know there was a designated month for a council member to attend this committee and someone to attend a different committee. So this, where there was always a Rotation Council members could always attend and hear about what was happening in the committee.
Burien Airport Committee: So there's already that that come from council members to want to become more involved with what committees are doing. The advisory bodies
Burien Airport Committee: are doing.
Burien Airport Committee: so I think that answers the question, Dana, yeah, it does. So I moved to strike, but no more than 3 just.
Burien Airport Committee: you know, 1 1 council member
Burien Airport Committee: strike with no more than 3, and then one council member, comma, who shall be the chair? Yeah, perfect.
Burien Airport Committee: Is that important?
Burien Airport Committee: You know?
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah, I don't necessarily know that it is.
Burien Airport Committee: That's a legacy piece, too. That's a bit of a legacy piece, so you can just pay at least one just one council member
Burien Airport Committee: think it gives, if I may, what
Burien Airport Committee: I think I I picking up with Deputy Mayor Sarah, is putting down like I think pegging a person to be the chair limits what the committee can do amongst you know that's membership.
Burien Airport Committee: That the council member may choose to become a candidate for the chair of the committee. But it's very difficult to force that person to be the chair, especially if they're unable to attend. Now you have
Burien Airport Committee: a 4th chair who can't be there, and it throws a committee into this limbo.
Burien Airport Committee: but I would also say, based on my own experience, that the Council member
Burien Airport Committee: there, there's a good chance that they know less about the subject than anyone else, just because
Burien Airport Committee: the group is composed of people who
Burien Airport Committee: selectively joined an airport committee and then a council member who, you know, maybe had completely different interests beforehand. So
Burien Airport Committee: okay, so so one council member, you can even strike at least
Burien Airport Committee: line. One should read one council member
Burien Airport Committee: and the and and everything else in that paragraph gets struck
Burien Airport Committee: sure. Why, that didn't track my change. But
Burien Airport Committee: any conversation on the 6.
Burien Airport Committee: Do you like that?
Burien Airport Committee: I think 6 makes sense. 7 is a good in my, because then 6 and 7, because the council member will be a voting member of the Council. Right? Yeah, that's right.
Burien Airport Committee: So total of 7. So the quorum would go to 4, which really helps us.
Burien Airport Committee: And striking out one council, just just one council member period, and one council member. Oh, I see. No, but because we're saying who should not necessarily be the chair.
Burien Airport Committee: who may be chair, but doesn't have to be
Burien Airport Committee: one council member, and I'll clean this up before we go to here.
Burien Airport Committee: And then what are we seeing with the chair? Just let me just strike that.
Burien Airport Committee: and and then the whole thing the Council select shall select the council members.
Burien Airport Committee: The council. One council member who shall be selected by the by the city council. Is that right? Is that how that happens? And random drawing? No, that's that's with more more than 3 people were. That's that's old language that dates to the days when there were 3 council members. I believe the way it works is the council members
Burien Airport Committee: voice interest in the various committees. They'd like to to serve on depending on how many openings and how many people are interested. They either just get their spot or the council. I think we we use.
Burien Airport Committee: We're supportive of each other being on committees. But it is. It is by vote, okay.
Burien Airport Committee: which is not random drawing. I'm not in favor of that. No, I think that's going away.
Burien Airport Committee: The rest is good. Well, actually, no. The Council shall select the vac council member by random drawing. If more than one Council member expresses interest that is correct.
Burien Airport Committee: To make make a suggestion.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): If I could, on that.
Burien Airport Committee: Yeah. Carbon. Window. Yeah.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): The selection process is the Council's process. So frankly, I don't.
Burien Airport Committee: Oh, cool!
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): Get to kind of decide how the Council will handle that selection process. But I think, as Nathan and I believe the deputy mayor pointed out. Generally speaking, I mean
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): folks. They try to be cooperative, and if someone indicates a particular interest in a particular in a advisory body, they tend to let that person do it. But if there are multiple people that want it, then they have some sort of voting process. I've seen it done slightly different ways, but they have a voting process, and then the person who prevails gets gets the role.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): But yeah, the Bac is not going to determine for the Council how the Council will select the one member.
Burien Airport Committee: So that should read one council member as selected by the Burien City Council.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): That should work. Yes.
Burien Airport Committee: Perfect. Thank you.
Burien Airport Committee: Pressures on. We're all watching everything.
Burien Airport Committee: And then the second line would be 6 members representing, there you go same periods.
Burien Airport Committee: So take out a maximum of sure. Okay?
Burien Airport Committee: So I think the maximum. The idea was,
Burien Airport Committee: What if you don't get enough applicants, I see, which I think had happened in the past.
Burien Airport Committee: So it could leave some room.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, I don't have a strong opinion about that.
Burien Airport Committee: Not harming anything. I'll leave it in alright.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, keep.
Burien Airport Committee: So these are, this is our charge
Burien Airport Committee: that that's really up to the city council to determine
Burien Airport Committee: if we're making changes. If you guys want to take a quick look. These were done just a couple of years ago when we kind of updated it. Jeff, you may have still been on the committee when we did that.
Burien Airport Committee: So so this gets to that other group you were talking about.
Burien Airport Committee: which may be Number 6, Dana for sharing.
Burien Airport Committee: Oh, yeah, there you go. Okay.
Burien Airport Committee: part of our mandate. I just wanted to see it might amend paragraph 2
Burien Airport Committee: and just ended at to discuss airport related land use issues in the city of Urine, because this you know, the South aviation support area, the international arrival facilities up and airport access.
Burien Airport Committee: Well.
Burien Airport Committee: I mean, there's still that South, there's still that southern entrance is going to come with the completion of State Route 509 traffic mitigation. Okay? I I think it's okay.
Burien Airport Committee: But I'm happy to see number 6. So
Burien Airport Committee: the the way these were formulated was to kind of give the committee a a broader and I think more
Burien Airport Committee: current
Burien Airport Committee: work plan or goals cause some of the I think the old ones were really focused on like the 3rd runway fighting. The 3rd runway impacts of the 3rd runway, which clearly.
Burien Airport Committee: I think, are
Burien Airport Committee: it's there. And so they they tried to modernize where we were at and what the committee was.
Burien Airport Committee: do now
Burien Airport Committee: fine with all that.
Burien Airport Committee: So if you guys or Mr. Chair, if you're comfortable with the language, maybe a a motion to
Burien Airport Committee: do, we have a motion to allow Staff to prepare this for council.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): Could before you do that.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): just based on what you're discussing in the potential that at least one other jurisdiction will form or reform its own version of
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): the Airport Committee for that jurisdiction. We may just make an adjustment in that list and kind of be more clear or purposeful that the Bac. Could work with and collaborate with other or equivalent
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): airport committees, or or in groups with similar interests, or something like that. So we'll probably add something like that. And just to ensure that you have that flexibility.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): so just please have that in mind that that it's not there now, or it may not be there as clearly as as I'm attempting to articulate it, but my expectation is that we'll have something like that for you, for the final version.
Burien Airport Committee: Would that go in? Item 6.
Burien Airport Committee: Be its own line.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): Frankly, unless you or the Bac has have strong feelings. I I was actually thinking of a separate
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): entry for that. Just so it would be crystal clear what the in what the intent is.
Burien Airport Committee: Thumbs up from Dana. Thumbs up from Karen. Thumbs up from Brian.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, great.
Burien Airport Committee: Then the motion would be, I'll make motion that this go to council
Burien Airport Committee: with the addition, with the amendment that we just talked about.
Burien Airport Committee: So that city staff incorporate the changes we discussed.
Burien Airport Committee: Create a document to present city council.
Burien Airport Committee: I will second whatever y'all, we're making a motion.
Burien Airport Committee: or now you are you withdrawing? And
Burien Airport Committee: I concur with what they're saying, but I'm I'm fading pretty quickly.
Garmon Newsom II (Burien): So it sounds as though you've made a motion, and you've had a friendly amendment that as long as you accept it, then that becomes the motion. Just need the vote from the members of the Bac.
Burien Airport Committee: Thank you, Garland, so we have a motion. Do I have a second?
Burien Airport Committee: I sent it. Oh, Karen, seconds, all right. Any dis, any further discussion.
Burien Airport Committee: all in favor signify by saying, Aye, raise your hand 4 eyes, which leaves no, no's. This motion passes. Thank you. Nate, appreciate that. Okay, we're to public comment, Nate, do we have any?
Burien Airport Committee: We have 2 members of the public in the room and Mr. Kaplan online. Otherwise, there was just the email we already discussed
Burien Airport Committee: from Mayor Buxton of Des Moines earlier this last week, I think, okay.
Burien Airport Committee: I just like to introduce myself. And good.
Burien Airport Committee: It's very difficult to wrap your head around. What's going on here? I went to that
Burien Airport Committee: airport expansion. Would you identify yourself? Excuse me, Terry Jorgensen, from a Northwest Burien, Sherwood.
Burien Airport Committee: And
Burien Airport Committee: anyway, we did go to that presentation that they put on over here at Airline High School here month ago.
Burien Airport Committee: and I found their borders on their impacted areas to be quite restrictive.
Burien Airport Committee: talking to a lot of people there who said that they had recorded noise louder.
Burien Airport Committee: very close to the line that said it was 60 or something, and they're getting 80
Burien Airport Committee: at our house, depending on the weather.
Burien Airport Committee: and I'm a long ways away. But if they start using that one runway.
Burien Airport Committee: and it's foggy or something else that produces concentrated sound.
Burien Airport Committee: It's it's crazy.
Burien Airport Committee: Our house isn't built that way.
Burien Airport Committee: So anyway, I think they were very conservative in what they were thinking was, Okay.
Burien Airport Committee: that's really about the size of it. Thank you. I see a hand online. Mr. Kaplan.
Dave Kaplan: Yeah. Good evening. Regarding the start. Policy, agenda, state policy agenda.
Dave Kaplan: It was a product of the policy committee and the full start going back, beginning in June.
Dave Kaplan: The Policy Committee took it up on June 3, rd
Dave Kaplan: August 5.th The full start took it up on August 28th the Policy Committee took it up on
Dave Kaplan: October 7.th
Dave Kaplan: The full start took it up on October 23, rd
Dave Kaplan: and additional edits were made from that meeting that were incorporated, and with the feedback asked by the 25th of October. So there's been a lot of opportunities for that document to have been reviewed prior to now. Just so you're aware.
Dave Kaplan: And the
Dave Kaplan: the lobby day, you know, everything start does is by consensus and the discussion. And of course, obviously not. Everything is going to reflect what any individual jurisdiction wants, or even a combination of jurisdictions. It's dependent entirely upon the the 6 jurisdictions that are part of start
Dave Kaplan: and the feedback that's been received. And that's what the document is a reflection of.
Dave Kaplan: So you're obviously welcome to suggest changes to it. But the product that's being used for purposes of advocating in Olympia, which, by the way.
Dave Kaplan: I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find another airport sponsor anywhere in the country that has actually gone to Olympia with local communities to advocate on behalf of changes to the benefit of the community. So just a thought there, and hope you'll give that consideration.
Burien Airport Committee: Thank you, Dave, for public comment. We're gonna have a lot.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, Mister Harris, you're on the clock.
Burien Airport Committee: Is that what that was? Oh, really okay. So this is a bit awkward. But every person in this room should sign in pro for HP, 13 0, 3. As a primary sponsor an author of pretty much every piece of airport legislation that has passed over the past 5 years. I can tell you that, regardless of their defects.
Burien Airport Committee: every bill that we have supported has had a great use in
Burien Airport Committee: including the 2 port package updates.
Burien Airport Committee: Build the air quality monitor things. It is disappointing to us to not see support from the city of Burien, or your commute, or your committee, because you benefit from these things. If your committee is an advisory committee.
Burien Airport Committee: You have to get on board with some sort of legislative agenda, and if you can't support Hb. 13, 0, 3. I don't know what you can support. It is meant to provide environmental justice for Mega projects not the average developer kind of a thing, and it is exactly what is missing from the Sam. The community impacts
Burien Airport Committee: both Des Moines and Burien are Ej
Burien Airport Committee: communities, and if we do not put forward some form of legislation which adds that component to permitting.
Burien Airport Committee: The samp is essentially lost, and I fail to understand the lack of urgency.
Burien Airport Committee: In other words, they're building it.
Burien Airport Committee: Okay, this is the year.
Burien Airport Committee: And if you do not put forward some kind of force.
Burien Airport Committee: then, essentially, it'll happen. And I want to just close one thing.
Burien Airport Committee: Your earlier version of this committee focused on the flight path thing.
Burien Airport Committee: and did not happen to weigh in on the fact that they were building the iaf
Burien Airport Committee: which was originally supposed to be part of the Sam
Burien Airport Committee: they got distracted by that. And unfortunately, in the State of Washington, you can't go back 5 years later and say, Yeah, that was unfair.
Burien Airport Committee: So
Burien Airport Committee: please sign in pro for Hb. 13, 0, 3. We sent you a memo with the information on how to do that, and I ask your support. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Jc, any other business to come before the committee
Burien Airport Committee: specific to the committee itself. But I just wanted to point out something, and it's something that we try to encourage with with staff, and that's to
Burien Airport Committee: to to constantly highlight the good
Burien Airport Committee: Over the last 2 years this committee.
Burien Airport Committee: It started out. It was reforming itself. It was trying to figure out.
Burien Airport Committee: you know what the committee wants to do, what? What is its charge.
Burien Airport Committee: But we had committee formed with other members, and then things happened in Burien that caused people to leave the committee.
Burien Airport Committee: But I just wanted to share with you all, at least from what I see in that.
Burien Airport Committee: People may have seen what occurred 2 years ago as a bad, but it really created this core group, the group that that has energized the group that is focused, the group that understands that airport is not just the airport. It's zoning. It's, you know, lobbying. It's all these other things that are going on.
Burien Airport Committee: And so over the last 2 years this committee has really
Burien Airport Committee: wrapped its its arms around each other and wrapped its head around the issue and really working very well together. And now it's working on
Burien Airport Committee: making the committee bigger but bigger around a solid core. So thank you very much for all of your work over the last 2 years. It's not easy to see a decrease in in committee size and not be discouraged. But this group really just
Burien Airport Committee: took it upon itself to say, fine people are leaving great. You're leaving us with a really good, solid core. You're distilling us to a really positive forward looking team. And now you're building upon your solid foundation. So I just wanted to say, thank you
Burien Airport Committee: very much for all that you do. I want to thank Brian for giving us the energy to push us all a little bit forward.
Burien Airport Committee: Bastard! Thank you. I did want to ask, is anybody going to the South Table round South Seattle Round Table on Thursday?
Burien Airport Committee: Payful you'd be there?
Burien Airport Committee: Am I the only one invited South Seattle community roundtable at El Centro de la Raza. Okay, I'll go. Yeah, I'll I'll go and I'll report back
Burien Airport Committee: is with the port. And
Burien Airport Committee: it's with uncommon bridges. So okay, they're the computers to start. So there you go. Yeah, okay, thank you. Anything else. I did think about that re-upping. But no, I do feel like this. Work is meaningful.
Burien Airport Committee: I appreciate all of you.
Burien Airport Committee: Thank you for
Burien Airport Committee: helping me learn more. No, it has really changed a lot the last couple of ways. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Guys.
Burien Airport Committee: Gold dwelling.
Burien Airport Committee: They want to wait. We stand adjourned.